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K1052

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There has to be some sort of formal notification process the GSA receives before handing out a blank check. At this point, the media is calling Biden the President elect, but that's not official yet.

W's people turned over the transition resources to Obama's after the media called it. Obama did the same for Trump. AFAIK this is how it's worked all along.
 

Greenman

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Please link to this process.
Don't have one. But every government agency has rules they more or less follow. It seems beyond strange that a GSA employee would authorize the dispersal of funds without a piece of paper that says it's ok.
 

Greenman

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W's people turned over the transition resources to Obama's after the media called it. Obama did the same for Trump. AFAIK this is how it's worked all along.
I totally get it. And I'll bet someone had an order saying to do it.
What happened back with the Bush Gore fiasco? Was Gore handed a check or did they wait?
 

cytg111

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Why do you think this is an interesting question? I could hazard a few guesses at the answer to your question, but I assume you can do the same. Is this a point of serious concern for you?
Buuuhuuuuuuu Trump still pres for two months dont you DARE do anything till then...
Meanwhile in a timestream 4 years ago someone Flynn was selling errr. negotiating foreign policy around this time. Its the Quadruple standard flipped and reversed of conservatives.
I can grift outside norms but you cant do shit either way. Its the law!
 

fskimospy

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There has to be some sort of formal notification process the GSA receives before handing out a blank check. At this point, the media is calling Biden the President elect, but that's not official yet.
To the best of my knowledge they have literally never waited until certification, with the only significant delay being in 2000. Why change the way it's done now?
 

K1052

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I totally get it. And I'll bet someone had an order saying to do it.
What happened back with the Bush Gore fiasco? Was Gore handed a check or did they wait?

There was a delay because of FL, I also don't think Gore ever requested it. But this election isn't even in the same galaxy of closeness.
 

Greenman

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To the best of my knowledge they have literally never waited until certification, with the only significant delay being in 2000. Why change the way it's done now?
That's not the point I'm making here. What conditions do GSA rules require to release the funds, that's the question.
 

fskimospy

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That's not the point I'm making here. What conditions do GSA rules require to release the funds, that's the question.

The rules are if the GSA determines the person to be the 'apparent' winner. It is a judgment call by that official. In all modern cases this 'apparent' clause has been considered fulfilled by the media calling the election. This time, it's not.

It's entirely obvious that the reason for this is that Trump is still disputing the election he has clearly lost. The thing is that while people serve at the pleasure of the president their actual responsibility is to the United States of America. She should sign the letter and if Trump wants to fire her over it and replace her with someone who will rescind it that's his business. Her job is to serve the public, and the public is poorly served by an unjustified delay.
 

K1052

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That's not the point I'm making here. What conditions do GSA rules require to release the funds, that's the question.

There is no rule requiring the GSA to wait for certification and they have not done so in the past. I'm not sure what is confusing you here.
 

Greenman

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Please link to this process.
“In accordance with the Presidential Transition Act of 1963, as amended, the GSA administrator ascertains the apparent successful candidate once a winner is clear based on the process laid out in the Constitution,”
Best I've been able to find.
My point here is that it's difficult for me to believe that there isn't a process for this. Everything in government has a process, everything has a paper trail and the proper signatures. Am I to believe that the top dog at the GSA can control those funds on a whim?
 

mikeymikec

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Or just wait until the election is certified.

So you'd prefer for the incoming administration to sit on their asses doing nothing for a couple of months and then get on with the job of preparing to run the country two weeks before the role officially begins? In the middle of a worsening pandemic?

Does that seem sensible to you?

I personally would prefer the new premier of a country to be as prepared as they possibly can be for the role. That involves being briefed, having competent staff picked and ready to do the jobs they're employed to do, etc.
 
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uallas5

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“In accordance with the Presidential Transition Act of 1963, as amended, the GSA administrator ascertains the apparent successful candidate once a winner is clear based on the process laid out in the Constitution,”
Best I've been able to find.
My point here is that it's difficult for me to believe that there isn't a process for this. Everything in government has a process, everything has a paper trail and the proper signatures. Am I to believe that the top dog at the GSA can control those funds on a whim?
Technically the results aren't "officially" certified until Congress does so in January after the Christmas break. This wouldn't give enough time for any transition team to ramp up. Even if we go by the electoral college vote, that's in the middle of December and the new administration would lose at least 5 weeks.
 
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There has to be some sort of formal notification process the GSA receives before handing out a blank check. At this point, the media is calling Biden the President elect, but that's not official yet.
Please link to this process.

Per my understanding from reading this morning Greenman is mostly correct except all previous Presidents accepted the election results before they are certified by the GSA group thingy.
Really the question is does the President get involved with the process because he has lawsuits pending.
 

zinfamous

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Who pays Joes task force for the next 3 months?

Gov't employees are gov't employees. staffers are, historically, a-political folks that just do their jobs...OK, until Trump tried to EO their "loyalty" about a month ago. now, watch as King Dingus tries to fire them for breaking what he considers the "loyalty pledge to himself" for working with the actual president.
 
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cytg111

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“In accordance with the Presidential Transition Act of 1963, as amended, the GSA administrator ascertains the apparent successful candidate once a winner is clear based on the process laid out in the Constitution,”
Best I've been able to find.
My point here is that it's difficult for me to believe that there isn't a process for this. Everything in government has a process, everything has a paper trail and the proper signatures. Am I to believe that the top dog at the GSA can control those funds on a whim?
Just for you

 

fskimospy

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Technically the results aren't "officially" certified until Congress does so in January after the Christmas break. This wouldn't give enough time for any transition team to ramp up. Even if we go by the electoral college vote, that's in the middle of December and the new administration would lose at least 5 weeks.
The sensible thing to do is to staff Biden's transition team and then let Trump dispute it any way he wants. Sure, if somehow Trump miraculously pulls it out we will have wasted that money but the cost/benefit analysis is still massively, massively in its favor. It's common sense to want the next administration to be prepared if you care about the functioning of the country.

The problem is Trump doesn't care if the country functions.
 
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Homerboy

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I love that Biden at this point is just carrying on business as usual - like this is going to be a normal transition of power and completely staying away from all the B.S. that's swirling around. He's stepping above the fray and is getting to work - just like we hired him to do.
 

Jhhnn

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I thought the Trump team said the pandemic would be over on Nov 4.... like a miracle... like it was a hoax all along...
 

brycejones

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“In accordance with the Presidential Transition Act of 1963, as amended, the GSA administrator ascertains the apparent successful candidate once a winner is clear based on the process laid out in the Constitution,”
Best I've been able to find.
My point here is that it's difficult for me to believe that there isn't a process for this. Everything in government has a process, everything has a paper trail and the proper signatures. Am I to believe that the top dog at the GSA can control those funds on a whim?
That's pretty fucking clear. What part are you struggling with?

FFS some states take weeks to "certify" an election. Not because the outcome is in doubt but that is their process. Building a process on that requirement would be idiotic given the scope of transitioning the leadership of the US government. We want that process to be as smooth as possible which means we need to hit the ground running as quickly as we can.

You're just making shit up and trying to justify shitty behavior by this administration again. Stop being that guy.
 
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There has to be some sort of formal notification process the GSA receives before handing out a blank check. At this point, the media is calling Biden the President elect, but that's not official yet.
No transition in the history of the United States has waited until it was "Official". That's because it's halfway from election date to swear in date when it becomes "Official".

The only problem here, right now, is Trump's ego and his inability to acknowledge the inevitable. There is no other instance of anyone taking this long to acknowledge the loss of the election, save the exception of Bush v. Gore and that was due to a difference of a few hundred votes in one state.
 

ivwshane

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That's not the point I'm making here. What conditions do GSA rules require to release the funds, that's the question.

What EXACTLY is the point you are trying to make here? I’ve never seen you this concerned about transitioning from one president from another, so what’s your concern right now?
 
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