Biden hints at Obama executive order (concerning guns)

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes he did, right on cue.

For my part I don't claim a repeal, but I am not in agreement with counterarguments I've seen either. Saying "violence" isn't reassuring since the only practical means is to fuehrer limit the Second. One might argue that Obama would never go to far, but I would remind others that among those leading this charge, and that includes Obama for all his crocodile tears, implemented the NDAA, and took actions to prevent us from finding out if our Fourth amendment rights are being violated. If that had happened in the Bush years I'd have complained and we'd have had outrage in the forum. Since it's Obama? It's "Yeah thats pretty bad". Wheres the passion? Where is the concern? It's nowhere to be seen. Now we have the possibility of yet more executive intrusion into the domain of the legislature and it's kooks who are concerned? Please consider me one too if thats the case.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

For my part I don't claim a repeal, but I am not in agreement with counterarguments I've seen either. Saying "violence" isn't reassuring since the only practical means is to fuehrer limit the Second. One might argue that Obama would never go to far, but I would remind others that among those leading this charge, and that includes Obama for all his crocodile tears, implemented the NDAA, and took actions to prevent us from finding out if our Fourth amendment rights are being violated. If that had happened in the Bush years I'd have complained and we'd have had outrage in the forum. Since it's Obama? It's "Yeah thats pretty bad". Wheres the passion? Where is the concern? It's nowhere to be seen. Now we have the possibility of yet more executive intrusion into the domain of the legislature and it's kooks who are concerned? Please consider me one too if thats the case.

That is such a horribly inconvenient autocorrect... I love it!

 

[corwin]

That is such a horribly inconvenient autocorrect... I love it!

I was about to say the same thing

Sometimes autocorrect gets it right:thumbsup:

 

[Incorruptible]

Cant believe people will defend obama including the sellouts, Its that he actually thinks of this or even mentions this is the real issue. He would massive resistance if he tried, but why would he even mention something like this?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Cant believe people will defend obama including the sellouts, Its that he actually thinks of this or even mentions this is the real issue. He would massive resistance if he tried, but why would he even mention something like this?

See, if you paid attention you would know he didn't mention anything of the sort. Not even close. But that doesn't matter to you does it?

 

[corwin]

Cant believe people will defend obama including the sellouts, Its that he actually thinks of this or even mentions this is the real issue. He would massive resistance if he tried, but why would he even mention something like this?

That's why Obama didn't say it...plausible deniability

 

[xj0hnx]

The government in the past has restricted access and possession of assault weapons (1990's for example) and fully automatic weapons.

The only reason the original AWB was allowed to pass was A) it had a sunset clause, and B) it had a grandfather clause. It was seen as exactly what it was, an ineffectual piece of legislation that banned cosmetic features not function, would let people keep what they had now (then) and would automatically go away.

As far as the automatic weapons thing, the 1986 addition to the FOPA, the Hughes Amendment, was forced in by that scumbag Rangel who after obviously losing the voice vote refused to take a recorded vote, and simply added it in, then was signed by that douche bag Reagan.

 

[nextJin]

Cant believe people will defend obama including the sellouts, Its that he actually thinks of this or even mentions this is the real issue. He would massive resistance if he tried, but why would he even mention something like this?

Jesus man, read the link: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34476963&postcount=218

There are things he can do legally that can address the issue at hand. No one is saying to repeal the 2nd other than the wingnuts.

 

[jstern01]

Due to public outcry and nothing else, if no one complained and made a stink about it they would keep chipping away until they were banned...keeping quiet about something is giving approval of adding more, if a company reduced wages to all their employees and no one complained wouldn't they be likely to do it again? Same kind of logic applies here

The point is, that the gov't did remove a class of weapons from the general public, and we still have guns. Nothing stops the gov't from doing that again, either by a new law, or and EO expanding the existing National Firearms Act. I think Obama would prefer the approach of a law changing or banning certain types over a EO expanding an existing law.

 

[jstern01]

The only reason the original AWB was allowed to pass was A) it had a sunset clause, and B) it had a grandfather clause. It was seen as exactly what it was, an ineffectual piece of legislation that banned cosmetic features not function, would let people keep what they had now (then) and would automatically go away.

As far as the automatic weapons thing, the 1986 addition to the FOPA, the Hughes Amendment, was forced in by that scumbag Rangel who after obviously losing the voice vote refused to take a recorded vote, and simply added it in, then was signed by that douche bag Reagan.

Again it has done it, and it has precedence. That ways very heavy with the courts, unless there is a grievous injustice done and I think that would be very heavy load to lift for the NRA or any group challenging such a ban.

 

[xj0hnx]

Again it has done it, and it has precedence. That ways very heavy with the courts, unless there is a grievous injustice done and I think that would be very heavy load to lift for the NRA or any group challenging such a ban.

Weighs ...weighs very heavy with the court. On that note if any new AWB doesn't include those two items I mentioned, it will not pass.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That is such a horribly inconvenient autocorrect... I love it!

My android had a Freudian slip.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Pretty sure its going to be an EO reaffirming American citizens' absolute right to own muskets, as was clearly intended by the founders.

 

[exdeath]

And that is understandable. Now the argument has been made that once we ban one weapon, its a short walk to gov't confiscation of all arms. I think that is a really straw man argument. When the gov't in the 1930's restricted fully automatic weapons (partly because of the mob killings (Al Capone)), the same cry rang out. But 80 years later guns are still here.

Current situation is an example of that being true.

1934: we aren't banning machine guns just registering them

"Your semi automatics are safe, we just want machine guns"

1986: ok we are banning machine guns

2013: ok we want semi auto non machine guns too now

 

[zinfamous]

I was about to say the same thing

Sometimes autocorrect gets it right:thumbsup:

you guys think Obama is Hitler?

lol at you simpletons.

 

[zinfamous]

So you're saying an assault weapons ban wouldn't impact gun sales?

what ban?

sure, it might happen, but it's just precious "assault rifles" whatever that means.

and the paranoia from all the loony toons has had the same expected effect already--crazy sales, investment potential, even.

Is this going to matter in terms of all gun sales? no of course not.

 

[corwin]

Pretty sure its going to be an EO reaffirming American citizens' absolute right to own muskets, as was clearly intended by the founders.

This retarded argument again? How sad

you guys think Obama is Hitler?

lol at you simpletons.

You think fuhrer means Hitler? Talk about a simpleton...get some schoolin' and get back with us

 

[corwin]

what ban?

sure, it might happen, but it's just precious "assault rifles" whatever that means.

and the paranoia from all the loony toons has had the same expected effect already--crazy sales, investment potential, even.

Is this going to matter in terms of all gun sales? no of course not.

"Whatever that means" is exactly the problem...none of the loonies who want this ban even know what an assault rifle is, they want to ban sporting rifles that "look scary"...ooh, watch out for the boogie-gun

 

[HomerJS]

Current situation is an example of that being true.

1934: we aren't banning machine guns just registering them

"Your semi automatics are safe, we just want machine guns"

1986: ok we are banning machine guns

2013: ok we want semi auto non machine guns too now

you want to allow machine guns again??

 

[spidey07]

you want to allow machine guns again??

Of course. That law is HIGHLY unconstitutional.

 

[HomerJS]

Cant believe people will defend obama including the sellouts, Its that he actually thinks of this or even mentions this is the real issue. He would massive resistance if he tried, but why would he even mention something like this?

I can't believe people will bitch about people defending Obama on something he hasn't done or said he will do.

This is going to be one big reverse Sandy non-event.

 

[corwin]

you want to allow machine guns again??

They're already allowed, just not new ones and they're massively expensive

 

[spidey07]

I can't believe people will bitch about people defending Obama on something he hasn't done or said he will do.

This is going to be one big reverse Sandy non-event.

Obama has said many times he wants the assault weapons ban back along with magazine bans.

Listen to what he says, pay attention!@!!!

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

This retarded argument again? How sad

Im saddened by your cop out.

You think fuhrer means Hitler? Talk about a simpleton...get some schoolin' and get back with us

If we were all discussing in german then perhaps making that association would be stupid. Perhaps.

But we aren't, and that word in our culture has a very strict association to Hitler.

 

[Bowfinger]

I can't believe people will bitch about people defending Obama on something he hasn't done or said he will do.

This is going to be one big reverse Sandy non-event.

This, exactly.