Biden resorts to Trump tactics: flat out lies and misleading claims

[blackangst1]

Sure…. but take a trip in this rocket and take a view from above… How many coalitions, deals, tradeoffs must one make with a shit ton of people, groups, segments, classes to reach a common denominator in the first place to even get the nomination to begin with? Its almost that old saying that the deal that noone is satisfied with is probably the best deal.

The longer we perpetuate the "old ways" the longer they'll be around. Period. Neither side wants to change this.

 

[cytg111]

He's not running anything other than a failed website.

He is running the R party. GQP failed to eject the fucker 2020.

 

[blackangst1]

Because they do not have the filibuster proof majority that Trump had.

They've done as much as they could. And when he got the facts incorrect on their effort to increase corporate taxes, you called him a liar.

I mean, is this a serious question?

Like what?

 

[cytg111]

The longer we perpetuate the "old ways" the longer they'll be around. Period. Neither side wants to change this.

I dont see how the math can add up any other way. Unless you want to eject democracy and try something else?

 

[Captante]

Ah yes. Ignore the article I posted and just base it on your and my taxes. Smart!

Based on data compiled by the "Heartland Institute".

If the goal is to trash your own credibility you're on the right track.

"The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think-tank known for its rejection of both the scientific consensus on climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking"

Personally I'd be embarrassed citing that as a source.

 

[Amused]

Like what?

Did you read the article you posted and asked me if I read?

Congress enacts tax and climate bill

With Senate amendments approved by the House on Friday, the budget reconciliation bill now known as the Inflation Reduction Act will go to the president for his signature.

www.journalofaccountancy.com

 

[blackangst1]

Based on data compiled by the "Heartland Institute".

If the goal is to trash your own credibility you're on the right track.

"The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian public policy think-tank known for its rejection of both the scientific consensus on climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking"

So?

 

[blackangst1]

Did you read the article you posted and asked me if I read?

Congress enacts tax and climate bill

With Senate amendments approved by the House on Friday, the budget reconciliation bill now known as the Inflation Reduction Act will go to the president for his signature.

www.journalofaccountancy.com

The Senate approved the amended bill on Aug. 7. Among its tax provisions are a 15% corporate minimum tax

lulz

 

[MrSquished]

He's not running anything other than a failed website.

You really are this willfully ignorant. All the 300+ election denying GQP running this election and that have a chance to win are all Trump lackeys. The worst of the worst candidates in this election are beholden to his MAGA movement. I'd say he has some serious fucking power to run things. His base is beholden to him so he has the most outsized influence of the GQP party of any single GQP member everywhere, yeah, but he is just a guy running a failed website. I can't believe how you can look yourself in the mirror and type this shit.

 

[Amused]

So?

So... While slightly misleading, his claims on tax cuts are basically true for all intents and purposes if slightly over stated:


The Trump tax cuts
Biden claimed at the Thursday rally in New Mexico that under Trump, Republicans passed a $2 trillion tax cut that “affected only the top 1% of the American public.”

Biden correctly said in various October remarks that the Trump tax cut law was particularly beneficial to the wealthy, but he went too far here. It’s not true that the Trump policy “only” affected the top 1%.

The Tax Policy Center think tank found in early 2018 that Trump’s law “will reduce individual income taxes on average for all income groups and in all states.” The think tank estimated that “between 60 and 76 percent of taxpayers in every state will receive a tax cut.” And in April 2019, tax-preparation company H&R Block said two-thirds of its returning customers had indeed paid less in tax that year than they did the year prior, The New York Times reported in an article headlined “Face It: You (Probably) Got a Tax Cut.”

The Tax Policy Center did find in early 2018 that people at the top would get by far the biggest benefits from Trump’s law. Specifically, the think tank found that the top 1% of earners would get an average 3.4% increase in after-tax 2018 income – versus an average 1.6% income increase for people in the middle quintile, an average 1.2% income increase for people in the quintile below that and just an average 0.4% income increase for people in the lowest quintile. The think tank also found that the top 1% of earners would get more than 20% of the income benefits from the law, a bigger share than the bottom 60% of earners combined.

The distribution could get even more skewed after 2025, when the law’s individual tax cuts will expire if not extended by Congress and the president. If there is no extension – and, therefore, the law’s permanent corporate tax cut remains in place without the individual tax cuts – the Tax Policy Center has estimated that, in 2027, the top 1% will get 83% of the benefits from the law.

But that’s a possibility about the future. Biden claimed, in the past tense, that the law “affected” only the top 1%. That’s inaccurate.

This wasn’t the first time Biden overstated his point about the Trump tax cuts. The Washington Post fact-checked him in 2019, for example, when he claimed “all of it” went to the ultra-rich and corporations.

 

[blackangst1]

You really are this willfully ignorant. All the 300+ election denying GQP running this election and that have a chance to win are all Trump lackeys. The worst of the worst candidates in this election are beholden to his MAGA movement. I'd say he has some serious fucking power to run things. His base is beholden to him so he has the most outsized influence of the GQP party of any single GQP member everywhere, yeah, but he is just a guy running a failed website. I can't believe how you can look yourself in the mirror and type this shit.

Yes. Of which none I voted for. And? You think Trump alone is responsible for election denial? LOL to you.

So what do you think think of Bidens lies and misinformation speech?

 

[Captante]

So?

If I cited a far-left bunch of crazies as a source to defend my views I would EXPECT to be called out on it but you can't even understand why it's a problem to cite a bunch of far-right science-denying retards ???



Wow.... don't expect to be taken seriously at all around here anymore if that's the best you can do.

 

[blackangst1]

So... While slightly misleading, his claims on tax cuts are basically true for all intents and purposes if slightly over stated:


The Trump tax cuts
Biden claimed at the Thursday rally in New Mexico that under Trump, Republicans passed a $2 trillion tax cut that “affected only the top 1% of the American public.”

Biden correctly said in various October remarks that the Trump tax cut law was particularly beneficial to the wealthy, but he went too far here. It’s not true that the Trump policy “only” affected the top 1%.

The Tax Policy Center think tank found in early 2018 that Trump’s law “will reduce individual income taxes on average for all income groups and in all states.” The think tank estimated that “between 60 and 76 percent of taxpayers in every state will receive a tax cut.” And in April 2019, tax-preparation company H&R Block said two-thirds of its returning customers had indeed paid less in tax that year than they did the year prior, The New York Times reported in an article headlined “Face It: You (Probably) Got a Tax Cut.”

The Tax Policy Center did find in early 2018 that people at the top would get by far the biggest benefits from Trump’s law. Specifically, the think tank found that the top 1% of earners would get an average 3.4% increase in after-tax 2018 income – versus an average 1.6% income increase for people in the middle quintile, an average 1.2% income increase for people in the quintile below that and just an average 0.4% income increase for people in the lowest quintile. The think tank also found that the top 1% of earners would get more than 20% of the income benefits from the law, a bigger share than the bottom 60% of earners combined.

The distribution could get even more skewed after 2025, when the law’s individual tax cuts will expire if not extended by Congress and the president. If there is no extension – and, therefore, the law’s permanent corporate tax cut remains in place without the individual tax cuts – the Tax Policy Center has estimated that, in 2027, the top 1% will get 83% of the benefits from the law.

But that’s a possibility about the future. Biden claimed, in the past tense, that the law “affected” only the top 1%. That’s inaccurate.

This wasn’t the first time Biden overstated his point about the Trump tax cuts. The Washington Post fact-checked him in 2019, for example, when he claimed “all of it” went to the ultra-rich and corporations.

What about his other lies? Not as bad as the other guy?

 

[ivwshane]

I’m glad blackangst finally cares about facts. It’s just too bad it took a democrat administration to get him there. I look forward to future posts by him where he points out other false or misleading claims by other politicians. I’m sure we’ll see quite a few covering Republican lies as well because blackangst isn’t a partisan hack, right blackangst?

 

[Amused]

Yes. Of which none I voted for. And? You think Trump alone is responsible for election denial? LOL to you.

So what do you think think of Bidens lies and misinformation speech?

And again. When you have a choice of Biden vs Trump in 2024 are you going to make a MEANINGFUL vote against the single most dangerous election denialist? The source of it all? The motherfucking ringleader?

 

[Amused]

What about his other lies? Not as bad as the other guy?

Not by a long shot.

You yourself claimed to accept that election denialism was the single most dangerous lie, The red line you wouldn't cross. That you would vote in a way to ensure they wouldn't win.

What do YOU think? Not as bad as the election denial king?

You didn't vote for any independent candidate in AZ, did you? You voted for Hobbs? Why?

 

[KMFJD]

lol this is hilarious

 

[blackangst1]

Not by a long shot.

You yourself claimed to accept that election denialism was the single most dangerous lie, The red line you wouldn't cross. That you would vote in a way to ensure they wouldn't win.

What do YOU think? Not as bad as the election denial king?

You didn't vote for the independent candidate in AZ, did you? You voted for Hobbs? Why?

Ive stated what I think. I made one point: Biden has resorting to Trumps tactics: lying and mispresenting. I dont like, nor would I vote for, either (for different treasons). Ive always been classified as a "bothsides" poster, which I admit I am. Both parties are equally as bad. I dont subscribe to the "pick the lesser of two evils" modest. Ive said that.

 

[blackangst1]

Ive got shit to do. Ive been pretty clear on my thoughts and will leave it at that. This isnt a Trump thread. Its a Biden thread.

 

[Amused]

Ive stated what I think. I made one point: Biden has resorting to Trumps tactics: lying and mispresenting. I dont like, nor would I vote for, either (for different treasons). Ive always been classified as a "bothsides" poster, which I admit I am. Both parties are equally as bad. I dont subscribe to the "pick the lesser of two evils" modest. Ive said that.

But you did. When it came to election denialism. In 2024 you'll have an opportunity to cast a MEANINGFUL vote AGAINST an election denialist. Will you?

Or was that just bullshit?

 

[MrSquished]

Yes. Of which none I voted for. And? You think Trump alone is responsible for election denial? LOL to you.

So what do you think think of Bidens lies and misinformation speech?

I didn't say you voted for them. I am pointing out your statement that Trump is running nothing but a failed website implying he is really not responsible for anything going on now is just a bunch of bullshit, which you still can't admit. He is the single most responsible person for election denying candidates and the most horrific of Republican policies and candidates today.

I also stated that I agreed Biden has made some misleading statements, but to compare them with Trump is fucking bonkers dishonesty. They aren't even in the same sports league, let alone ballpark. The fact you can say such things with a straight face is fucking wack.

 

[Captante]

Ive got shit to do.

I'm personally disappointed in you citing political crackpots as a source as it immediately destroys your entire argument. Too bad.

 

[eelw]

First, I never voted for Trump. Second, I wouldnt vote for DeSantis either.

Whats your point?

I get it, you didn’t like Hillary. But what moron will vote independent in 2020 and 2024??? Until we get a sane R candidate before anyone should consider voting I

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Here is the problem. Assuming there is something @blackangst1 & I are competing for mindshare and all I do is pull out bullshit and I am controlling the majority of mindshare it is foolish for @blackangst1 to continue with what he’s doing.
To be successful we need to redirect our efforts that don’t have results to efforts that yield results.
Sucks but it is that simple.

 

[kt]

I dont think you want to go there. Should we talk about the Democrats history?

We can talk about it, but first we must give the party its proper label. Conservatives vs Liberals. Want to continue?