Biden resorts to Trump tactics: flat out lies and misleading claims

[blackangst1]

I don't think American democracy is at risk with Biden. Is there some reason you believe Trump won't double down on his attempts in 2020 if he returns to power?

Oh Im sure he would! Which is why I wouldnt vote for him!

 

[Amused]

Oh Im sure he would! Which is why I wouldnt vote for him!

But you won't make a meaningful vote AGAINST him as you did with Hobbs v Lake.

 

[blackangst1]

It does matter. You start a thread on truth telling and expect not to be held accountable for your history

I asked you specifically about 2017-2021 and you chose 2022 for a reason

OK Ill bite. This thread from 2020 about Trump and tax fraud, specifically this comment: Trump...Tax Fraud? Say it ain't so! | AnandTech Forums: Technology, Hardware, Software, and Deals

"might"...could"....we'll see. If charges brought and convicted Im all for the fullest punishment by law.

Which I stated a few times in that thread. In case youre too dense to understand, I agreed if charges are brought and convicted, I fully support that. How many more do you need?

 

[blackangst1]

But you won't make a meaningful vote AGAINST him as you did with Hobbs v Lake.

At least Hobbs can make her way off the stage without getting lost. And Ive already stated why I support her. It wasnt just about election denial. Im not a single issue voter.

 

[Fenixgoon]

At least Hobbs can make her way off the stage without getting lost. And Ive already stated why I support her. It wasnt just about election denial. Im not a single issue voter.

So hypothetically speaking, could there be an election-denying candidate that you *would* vote for?

And if you're worried about getting off stage, let me tell you how dangerous stairs or a glass of water can be...

 

[blackangst1]

And heres another one of min from 2020 in the thread about a Trump advisor floating the idea Kamala isnt a US citizen:

(1) And here we go. Trump campaign adviser floats false birther theory about Kamala Harris' eligibility for vice president | AnandTech Forums: Technology, Hardware, Software, and Deals

I heard this earlier this week. It has nothing to do with her race, however. But the argument is per the Constitution, as we all have read Im sure, is:

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.".

Now, the birther people claim there is a loophole for anchor babies (which Kamala is) that technically doesnt fall under the "natural born citizen" statement. However, the Constitution makes no much mention of this, and SCOTUS has already determined anchor babies ARE in fact natural born citizens, REGARDLESS of the baby's parent's status. Also, the birther people are arguing since she grew up as a teenager in Canada, she's disqualified. Which is bullshit, of course, because she DOES meet the requirement of time lived in the USA.

In other words, the whole thing is bullshit and not even worth the breath to argue about it.

 

[blackangst1]

So hypothetically speaking, could there be an election-denying candidate that you *would* vote for?

And if you're worried about getting off stage, let me tell you how dangerous stairs or a glass of water can be...

Never. Ive made that very clear.

Im sure Hobbs can ride a bike, too.

 

[Amused]

At least Hobbs can make her way off the stage without getting lost. And Ive already stated why I support her. It wasnt just about election denial. Im not a single issue voter.

So election denialism is NOT the line you won't cross? You'll throw your vote away and allow the single biggest and most dangerous one to get elected?

You live in a swing state. Any third party vote is a vote for Trump.

 

[blackangst1]

So election denialism is NOT the line you won't cross? You'll throw your vote away and allow the single biggest and most dangerous one to get elected?

You live in a swing state. Any third party vote is a vote for Trump.

/sigh. This lie again?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Never. Ive made that very clear.

Im sure Hobbs can ride a bike, too.

So that does make you a single issue voter. Mind you, when the issue is "democracy" vs. "not democracy", it's perfectly reasonable to make "democracy" the single issue.

 

[blackangst1]

Oh theres this one in this thread: (1) A sitting Congressman is demanding that the US military hunt down American citizens on American soil.. | AnandTech Forums: Technology, Hardware, Software, and Deals

(1) A sitting Congressman is demanding that the US military hunt down American citizens on American soil.. | AnandTech Forums: Technology, Hardware, Software, and Deals

 

[blackangst1]

So that does make you a single issue voter. Mind you, when the issue is "democracy" vs. "not democracy", it's perfectly reasonable to make "democracy" the single issue.

Npt really. If I disagreed with Hobbs on other issues I care about, I wouldnt have voted for her JUST because she's not an election denier. Period.

 

[blackangst1]

It does matter. You start a thread on truth telling and expect not to be held accountable for your history

I asked you specifically about 2017-2021 and you chose 2022 for a reason

Ive spent enough time proving Im not, nor have I been, a Trump supporter. So STFU already.

 

[blackangst1]

So that does make you a single issue voter. Mind you, when the issue is "democracy" vs. "not democracy", it's perfectly reasonable to make "democracy" the single issue.

Whatever you say. First, I dont need, nor does anyone here care, how I vote or why. Second, is youre a hammer everything looks like a nail.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I mean, I knew he was going to be full of shit when he made his other dumbass thread, but let this be a lesson to those of you that profess you don't understand why Turmp keeps getting away with the shit he does. You keep letting clowns like the OP smear their clownshit all over you over and over and over and over.

 

[blackangst1]

I mean, I knew he was going to be full of shit when he made his other dumbass thread, but let this be a lesson to those of you that profess you don't understand why Turmp keeps getting away with the shit he does. You keep letting clowns like the OP smear their clownshit all over you over and over and over and over.

Very informational full of accusations! Good job! Maybe you didnt read the CNN (aka non-Fox) link in my OP supporting my claim? Yeah I think you did.

 

[Commodus]

I know it's been touched on before, but:

What's the point of a thread like this, anyway? I'm not excusing any exaggerations or falsehoods on Biden's part, but the fact remains that he's far more honest than any Republican presidential hopeful... and more importantly, that the Democrats are the only party actually serious about preserving democracy at the moment.

You really don't seem to understand. If the current crop of Republicans gain control of the right states and/or the White House, there's a real chance your vote for any preferred candidate becomes meaningless. It doesn't matter whether or not they vocally deny the 2020 election result, or whether they've effectively shouted "rah rah dictatorship" like that Wisconsin candidate. The truth is that Republicans almost always toe the line on party issues, and right now the party wants to rig elections, make false fraud accusations and even stir up violence.

For every Liz Cheney who says "this is too much," there's ten or twenty more who'll sell democracy down the river for another four years in office. And even vaguely sane Republicans like Cheney are being kicked out.

 

[cytg111]

I know it's been touched on before, but:

What's the point of a thread like this, anyway? I'm not excusing any exaggerations or falsehoods on Biden's part, but the fact remains that he's far more honest than any Republican presidential hopeful... and more importantly, that the Democrats are the only party actually serious about preserving democracy at the moment.

You really don't seem to understand. If the current crop of Republicans gain control of the right states and/or the White House, there's a real chance your vote for any preferred candidate becomes meaningless. It doesn't matter whether or not they vocally deny the 2020 election result, or whether they've effectively shouted "rah rah dictatorship" like that Wisconsin candidate. The truth is that Republicans almost always toe the line on party issues, and right now the party wants to rig elections, make false fraud accusations and even stir up violence.

For every Liz Cheney who says "this is too much," there's ten or twenty more who'll sell democracy down the river for another four years in office. And even vaguely sane Republicans like Cheney are being kicked out.

Its just reflective of the information silo op is in, thats all.

 

[dank69]

Seems lying and making misleading claims arent exclusive to Republicans. His whole speech was filled with both.

Fact check: Biden's midterms message includes false and misleading claims (msn.com) (CNN)

Or maybe they were all just gaffes? To me, it just reeks of desperation.

As much as I wish Biden didn't lie or mislead, not a single one of those is worthy of a thread, and even combined makes you look childish.

 

[Amused]

/sigh. This lie again?

If you OPPOSE election deniers and think they are the greatest danger, why cast a vote that does not attempt to ensure the election denier doesn't win?

Third part votes are wasted votes in our current paradigm. To deny this is to deny reality.

 

[sportage]

Ever consider that maybe "democracy" wasn't meant to survive? I mean, if enough voters vote against democracy then what can be done? If it is the will of the majority then what can be done?
Imagine an America where we have no democracy, only leaders like Trump and DeSantis. And imagine those wannabe leaders who will come along after Trump and after DeSantis. Maybe Trump part two will not arrest and lockup his opponents and enemies, nor DeSantis, but what about the wannabe leaders after Trump and DeSantis?

The door would be open for more determined and more aggressive leaders to lead this failed democracy called America. There could come a time in the future where we long for the days of Donald Trump. The time where friends and neighbors disappear in the middle of the night never to he seen again. Where a spouse leaves for work never to return home. A time where a child never returns home from college. A time where government security goes door to door accessing the populations loyalty. Then we would say, at least Trump never arrested his opponents and made them disappear. We miss Trump.

Not good to play with fire. Not good to play around with the demise of democracy. And not good to tollerate people like Trump AND DeSantis because you never know who that might empower come the future.
Yeah.... if democracy loses this election, WTF can you do about it? If the majority votes away democracy then say bye bye American pie. Just slap on your orange swastika, click your heals, and hope no one from government services pays you a loyalty visit.

 

[eelw]

/sigh. This lie again?

Your 3rd party vote didn’t impact anything. But the 3 rust belt states flipped because of the 3rd party vote in 2016.

 

[blackangst1]

If you OPPOSE election deniers and think they are the greatest danger, why cast a vote that does not attempt to ensure the election denier doesn't win?

Third part votes are wasted votes in our current paradigm. To deny this is to deny reality.

Then I guess we have a difference of opinion which is fine.

 

[blackangst1]

Your 3rd party vote didn’t impact anything. But the 3 rust belt states flipped because of the 3rd party vote in 2016.

"flipped". mmkay.

So first you say my 3rd party vote didnt impact anything, but follow that up with But. So which is it? when I go to bed at night, I want to feel confident in my vote which was neither R or D candidate. Why would I do that? And Ive only voted 3rd party in POTUS elections, so I guess I inadvertently helped Biden win? So what election denier did I help win? The correct answer is none.

 

[brandonbull]

Republicans are clearly on a bender to create a one party state that says "fuck you" to Joe American while giving out huge tax cuts to the rich, and this is what you're worried about?

Then why are the Democrats the ones that overwhelmingly represent the richest districts?