Democrats have been very publicly denying elections they lose since at least 2000. So stop with the GOP having some monopoly on election denial.
Democrats have been very publicly denying elections they lose since at least 2000. So stop with the GOP having some monopoly on election denial.So election denialism is NOT the line you won't cross? You'll throw your vote away and allow the single biggest and most dangerous one to get elected?
You live in a swing state. Any third party vote is a vote for Trump.
man doesn't undrestand what cities are, film at 11.Then why are the Democrats the ones that overwhelmingly represent the richest districts?
*bald. men without facial hair are inherently untrustworthyStretching the truth is something most politicians will do. At least they aren’t bold faced lies like Repugnicans.
Brandon has a point. Its the whole puclic vote vs electoral vote. Democrats have lost the electoral vote a couple times recently, and people were upset. Too bad Shirley. Thats how it works. Electors are under no obligation to vote same as the public vote.Democrats have been very publicly denying elections they lose since at least 2000. So stop with the GOP having some monopoly on election denial.
But they want to ignore the duly elected electorate. Big differenceElectors are under no obligation to vote same as the public vote.
So let them?But they want to ignore the duly elected electorate. Big difference
You'll have to remind me of the time Gore, Kerry, or Clinton attempted to have their opponent's electoral votes thrown out so they could be president despite losing the election. Gore even presided over his own defeat!Brandon has a point. Its the whole puclic vote vs electoral vote. Democrats have lost the electoral vote a couple times recently, and people were upset. Too bad Shirley. Thats how it works. Electors are under no obligation to vote same as the public vote.
Should I go pull up the Al Gore gracious concession speech or just let you keep lying?Democrats have been very publicly denying elections they lose since at least 2000. So stop with the GOP having some monopoly on election denial.
The electors themselves can vote how they want but the SLATES of electors must be appointed in accordance with state law. Republicans attempted to subvert the law by substituting their own fake electors for the real ones.So let them?
Youre misunderstanding me. Im not playing #bothsides here. Im saying IDGAF what either side says about electoral vs public voting. Theres been no proof of widespread election fraud, so IDGAF. Let whoever say whatever they want.You'll have to remind me of the time Gore, Kerry, or Clinton attempted to have their opponent's electoral votes thrown out so they could be president despite losing the election. Gore even presided over his own defeat!
Only one side is trying to subvert the results of elections. More #bothsides just helps the election deniers.
I agree, they tried. Did it work?The electors themselves can vote how they want but the SLATES of electors must be appointed in accordance with state law. Republicans attempted to subvert the law by substituting their own fake electors for the real ones.
Do you think public officials have a responsibility to the country to not baselessly undermine its fundamental institutions?Youre misunderstanding me. Im not playing #bothsides here. Im saying IDGAF what either side says about electoral vs public voting. Theres been no proof of widespread election fraud, so IDGAF. Let whoever say whatever they want.
'Our coup attempt was thwarted' is not as comforting as you appear to think it is.I agree, they tried. Did it work?
No.
Lol because it failed it’s okay? Are you like Greenman and say they were unarmed Jan 6I agree, they tried. Did it work?
No.
*shrug* ok.'Our coup attempt was thwarted' is not as comforting as you appear to think it is.
What does attempt to install false electors have to do with Jan6? Jan6 insurgents are being prosecuted.Lol because it failed it’s okay? Are you like Greenman and say they were unarmed Jan 6
Brandon has a point. Its the whole puclic vote vs electoral vote. Democrats have lost the electoral vote a couple times recently, and people were upset. Too bad Shirley. Thats how it works. Electors are under no obligation to vote same as the public vote.
You call it throwing away my vote. I call it voting for a candidate whose p[inions mean the most to me. I dont play the "vote against a candidate". I play "vote for the best candidate IMHO'.
The Beer Hall Putsch failed, so I guess it wasn't a big deal that it happened.I agree, they tried. Did it work?
No.
You might want to read this excerpt. It's a little long, but it's well worth it. The important takeaway is when democracy is under threat people wait for the day the tanks roll in the streets or whatever but that's not usually how it works. It is chipped away at a little bit at a time, so slowly you almost don't notice, and each step is small enough not to cause a revolution.*shrug* ok.
BTW the sky is falling!
"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’
"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.
"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.
"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.
One has nothing to do with the other buddy.So you seem to be okay with elections under the arbitrary electoral college as "that's how things work", but then you think voting third party in a first-past-the-post system is not throwing away a vote? You have some strange notions about democracy and elections.
You cant fix crazy voter thinking. All we can do is bitch and call them out. Which Ive done.Holy fuck! Do we really need the “everything is fine” while the house burns down meme, right now?
Please take your meds because I can’t see how one would possibly think election denying is a red line but the actual actions behind it are no big deal. That’s some scary logic right there.
They have everything to do with one another: practical realities of how our election system works.One has nothing to do with the other buddy.
Then whats the answer?They have everything to do with one another: practical realities of how our election system works.
Asking that question proves you really didn't pay attention to the entire coup attempt and how the fake slates of electors was all part of the scheme.What does attempt to install false electors have to do with Jan6? Jan6 insurgents are being prosecuted.
At some point you just flee.Then whats the answer?