Biden shames US policies in Munich speech, calls America 'an embarrassment'

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Genx87

Lifer
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If things heat up against him enough here with the investigations, I wouldn't put it past him to try to save his re-election chances.

Ok there Seymour Hersh. Until then not getting us into a new shooting war is the only thing this dolt of a president we have has done right. We should not provoke the bastard into proving us wrong.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Uhmm, Bush II (or at least large segments of his administration) had a pretty clear plan to go after Iran, the main issue was that Iraq turned out to be a catastrophe.

Obama on the other hand had a pretty clear plan to de-escalate tensions with Iran. That’s one of the things the ‘horrible’ nuclear deal was all about.

Trump appointed someone who has explicitly argued in favor of bombing Iran to be his national security adviser.

Saying they are all the same is... just wrong?

None of them invaded Iran. That is my point. Trump isnt going to invade Iran neither.
 

pauldun170

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We have been "trying" to get into a war with Iran since 1979. There is a difference in continuing a 40 year cold war and going hot. Trump isn't going into Iran anymore than Reagan, Bush I-II, Clinton, or Obama were.

Late 80's was pretty damn hot. We were poking our heads in during the Iran Iraq war (Iraq invades Iran and starts a war that results in over a million people killed) and we not exactly a "neutral party".
We were basically aiding Iraq by helping protect oil shipments travelling in and out. Iran was attacking shipping carrying supplies to Iraq.
Hilarity ensued
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Boo fucking hoo, your poor feels. Don't want to get separated, THEN DON'T COME HERE ILLEGALLY. Look, I just kept families together! And let's not pretend that this wasn't happening under Obama too. And it should happen, we want to stop human trafficking. Are you another sheeple fooled by the false leftist narrative that kids were kept in cages like animals? Because that didn't happen. Lastly, when you do something illegal, the possibility of jail and prison is real. Do you realize that when someone goes to jail/prison they are separated from their family? And by coming here ILLEGALLY one risks jail.

careful now: any more Trump cock and you'll spend the rest of your miserable life wheelchairing around with a prolapsed rectum.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Congratulations. You justified it because they crossed and turned themselves in to seek asylum. Congratulations. You are exactly the kind of person that I want nothing to do with anymore. You have transcended differences in politics to someone who lacks basic human decency. I notice you have ignored my calls to explain things in numerous other threads. This is the hill you choose to die on? Really? Jesus god damned mother fucking christ. Wow.


You haven't explained anything, all you've done is made bumper sticker comments, not logical comments... "human decency!" and "asylum!" Stupid arguments that aren't based on what is right or wrong but lefitst talking points.

T/F? If you do something illegal, you risk going to jail/prison.

T/F? When a parent or guardian goes to jail/prison, they don't bring their family.

So, some scumbags come here illegally, many trying to traffic humans, and we were breaking those groups up temporarily to investigate. As a nice side benefit, that will dissuade families from coming here illegally.

But then the left started peddling pictures of kids in Obama-era temporary processing centers and pretending that kids are locked up in cages.
 
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PJFrylar

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You haven't explained anything, all you've done is made bumper sticker comments, not logical comments... "human decency!" and "assylum!" Stupid arguments that aren't based on what is right or wrong but lefitst talking points.

T/F? If you do something illegal, you risk going to jail/prison.

T/F? When a parent or guardian goes to jail/prison, they don't bring their family.

So, some scumbags come here illegally, many trying to traffic humans, and we were breaking those groups up temporarily to investigate. As a nice side benefit, that will dissuade families from coming here illegally.

But then the left started peddling pictures of kids in Obama-era temporary processing centers and pretending that kids are locked up in cages.

Lol. Just lol. You say I just put out left wing talking points? You do absolutely nothing but spew right wing talking points. No one is fooled. You just labeled every asylum speaker as scum, and then you used that label to justify your position. What you need to do right now is realize that the rest of the world isn't as stupid as you think we are. There is a reason why we think you're a piece of shit. The reason is: yeah you're actually just a piece of shit.

Edit: This only applies when you muster the bravery to even engage. You chose this as your spot to lash out from your pool of cowardice? Wow. I did say that P&N needs to just start ignoring you, so I will. I still can't fathom that this of all topics is the one you chose to lash out at me on. Don't be fooled, everyone with a couple brain cells to rub together will see this as just that. No one here respects you in the least.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Lol. Just lol. You say I just put out left wing talking points? You do absolutely nothing but spew right wing talking points. No one is fooled. You just labeled every asylum speaker as scum, and then you used that label to justify your position. What you need to do right now is realize that the rest of the world isn't as stupid as you think we are. There is a reason why we think you're a piece of shit. The reason is: yeah you're actually just a piece of shit.

Edit: This only applies when you muster the bravery to even engage. You chose this as your spot to lash out from your pool of cowardice? Wow. I did say that P&N needs to just start ignoring you, so I will. I still can't fathom that this of all topics is the one you chose to lash out at me on. Don't be fooled, everyone with a couple brain cells to rub together will see this as just that. No one here respects you in the least.

But, he's the self proclaimed smartest piece of shit around.
 

PJFrylar

Senior member
Apr 17, 2016
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But, he's the self proclaimed smartest piece of shit around.

You're right, I made a grave error that I would call others out on. I forgot to address him by his proper title, the most intelligent poster in P&N.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Lol. Just lol. You say I just put out left wing talking points? You do absolutely nothing but spew right wing talking points. No one is fooled. You just labeled every asylum speaker as scum, and then you used that label to justify your position. What you need to do right now is realize that the rest of the world isn't as stupid as you think we are. There is a reason why we think you're a piece of shit. The reason is: yeah you're actually just a piece of shit.

Edit: This only applies when you muster the bravery to even engage. You chose this as your spot to lash out from your pool of cowardice? Wow. I did say that P&N needs to just start ignoring you, so I will. I still can't fathom that this of all topics is the one you chose to lash out at me on. Don't be fooled, everyone with a couple brain cells to rub together will see this as just that. No one here respects you in the least.


If people come here honestly seeking asylum, what is the harm in breaking up the family unit temporarily while processing and vetting occur? Do you think that asylum seekers are all doing so in earnest need of asylum? Hint on that: NO.

As for your second sentence, I am fairly active here as of late and tend to get a few replies. I engage in the replies that are meaningful and actually bring up a decent point. I'm humoring you here thus far as you haven't done that, you've just spewed off about your feels.

You tell me I don't reply while you ignored my T/F questions.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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If people come here honestly seeking asylum, what is the harm in breaking up the family unit temporarily while processing and vetting occur?

So dishonest. Little kids are easily traumatized, particularly when they don't have their parents to guide & reassure them. Parents face the same thing when they don't know what's happening with their children. Everybody knows this. Just speak the truth for a change. Trump's family separations are intentional cruelty designed to deter asylum seekers.
 

PJFrylar

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Apr 17, 2016
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So dishonest. Little kids are easily traumatized, particularly when they don't have their parents to guide & reassure them. Parents face the same thing when they don't know what's happening with their children. Everybody knows this. Just speak the truth for a change. Trump's family separations are intentional cruelty designed to deter asylum seekers.

His position makes more sense if you see "them" for what they are. An inferior type of person. I mean really, that's what you have to do, look down on them because they were born on the wrong side of an imaginary line or with the wrong skin tone. He will fight that concept to the death, because he doesn't want to come to terms with what an absolute piece of shit that makes him.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Yep. He oddly disappears for awhile and fails to address numerous obvious conflicts which are directed quite directly to him. More evidence I suspect he's just a troll/shill. I don't respond to him at all. He's not worth it.
ignore is your friend. It's sad watching people obviously battling with one of my ignored in threads. They are wearing themselves out on people who aren't worth 2 cents.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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So dishonest. Little kids are easily traumatized, particularly when they don't have their parents to guide & reassure them. Parents face the same thing when they don't know what's happening with their children. Everybody knows this. Just speak the truth for a change. Trump's family separations are intentional cruelty designed to deter asylum seekers.

This is an entirely emotional argument and not based on logic. I'm sure being separated temporarily isn't easy. So fucking what? I bet being a sex slave at 12 years old is even more traumatizing.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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His position makes more sense if you see "them" for what they are. An inferior type of person. I mean really, that's what you have to do, look down on them because they were born on the wrong side of an imaginary line or with the wrong skin tone. He will fight that concept to the death, because he doesn't want to come to terms with what an absolute piece of shit that makes him.


Again, YOU create the racism. I see human beings as just that. But you are going out of your way to make this about race, like I've said before here, you leftist dolts make caricatures of reality in your mind and are shadowboxing those ghosts, but you're not dealing with reality.

And again, you refused to answer my questions honestly. If you did you'd be forced to admit that families are separated all the time for doing something illegal. If you're really so hard up that you need responses from me, then you should at least answer my replies. And you were the one saying that *I* run away? LOL
 

PJFrylar

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Again, YOU create the racism. I see human beings as just that. But you are going out of your way to make this about race, like I've said before here, you leftist dolts make caricatures of reality in your mind and are shadowboxing those ghosts, but you're not dealing with reality.

And again, you refused to answer my questions honestly. If you did you'd be forced to admit that families are separated all the time for doing something illegal. If you're really so hard up that you need responses from me, then you should at least answer my replies. And you were the one saying that *I* run away? LOL

I didn't create it; I recognized it. It is not ok regardless of circumstance, but you accept and justify it. Also, yes you run away, you refused to engage me on about half a dozen threads. That this is the one you felt confident enough to go for it... man that's just telling. You would have made very fine Nazi.

Edit: If it isn't clear to you, I'll just spell it out. You are not seeing asylum seekers, migrants, illegals, or what ever your want to call them as people. From that position you justify treatment that you would be outraged if it was exacted on your family. That is not ok. I'm sorry if it hurts for the world to see you for what you are, but you made the choice to be that way.
 
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Meghan54

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This is an entirely emotional argument and not based on logic. I'm sure being separated temporarily isn't easy. So fucking what? I bet being a sex slave at 12 years old is even more traumatizing.

So what? So what??

Damn, son, you really are one fine piece of shit, aren't you?

And the 12 year old sex slave diversion. So we are to assume, I suppose according to your logic, that every family unit that appears at the border claiming asylum is automatically a child sex slave ring until proven otherwise, correct? That's what you're saying.

And most rational persons with actual empathy would take a different path, like maybe assume family units are just that until proven otherwise.

And why not? It's not like any member of the family is going anywhere, so why shouldn't the family stay together? And since our vetting program seems to work at least decently, as demonstrated by the gang members deported from the asylum seekers after vetting, I'd trust that to come to a proper conclusion instead of treating the family as human traffickers. Of course, I'm human with empathy.
 
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