Biden to announce vaccination mandate for all federal employees and contractors today

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Puffnstuff

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Face masks are like seatbelts and you're better off in a wreck with one than without one in the vast majority of instances.
 
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desy

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I am double vaccinated as is everyone in my house as is most of our geographical area with very low infection rates and hospitalizations
So, the circumstances I am willing to wear a mask has dropped precipitously, even indoors.
Certainly that doesn't mean I won't, I still carry one constantly while out and about and know there are times and places I will, but for the most part I am moving on
 
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Puffnstuff

Lifer
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DOD has reimplemented masks in the workplace for all employees, however, this mandate will place more burden on the unvaccinated to get weekly tests. Right now if someone is sick they have to get a test and negative result before they can return to work irrespective of vaccination status.
 

allisolm

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I pretty much agree with the new federal employee/contractor requirements. Make it uncomfortable to remain unvaccinated. Not so thrilled with the $100 for each new vaccination as I'm a firm believer in not rewarding bad behavior, but I can live with it it it helps get us where we need to be.

"Biden said every federal government employee and on-site contractor will be asked to attest to their vaccination status.
Employees who have not been vaccinated 'will be required to wear a mask on the job no matter their geographic location, physically distance from all other employees and visitors, comply with a weekly or twice weekly screening testing requirement, and be subject to restrictions on official travel,' the White House said ahead of Biden's speech."

 

Pohemi

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I just looked at that guy’s Twitter and he’s a pathetic tryhard. He seems to think masks harm people, which is unbelievably stupid.
Look at the tool using him as a source. I expect some similarly damaged tool/toolbag/toolshed, so yeah...totally fits expectations of the clown and his typical posts.
I am still amazed at how furiously dumb people like our good friend @s0me0nesmind1 fight against masks.
Besides being incredibly fucking stupid...he's also got a permanent victim complex. He's just SO oppressed! lol
 

Zorba

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On what grounds? It's already been determined that employers can require vaccinations, all federal employees are employed by the federal government. Also, Biden's mandate doesn't require them to be vaccinated, but if they chose not to, they are required to be tested every week and follow other protocols. Point is, they can file all the suits they want, they won't go anywhere.
We have federal judges claiming that the CDC doesn't have the right to regulate health procedures on cruise ship, even though it is written in black and white in the CFR that they do. The federal bench is now a complete joke.
 
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Pohemi

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And the same type of people acted exactly the same about seatbelts, but then leave loaded guns around their house to "protect" their family.
I'd be willing to wager that some of them even wore seatbelts by habit for years, only to start complaining once it became law/regulation.

Something about, "Dey can't tells meh wut ta do!"
 
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MovingTarget

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I'd be willing to wager that some of them even wore seatbelts by habit for years, only to start complaining once it became law/regulation.

Something about, "Dey can't tells meh wut ta do!"
Sigh. I see this everyday. I come from the Yellowhammer state, which ranks dead last in terms of vaccination percentage and covid positivity. That same attitude has been our unofficial state motto for more than half a century - "We Shall Not Be Told." Yes, it is incredibly childish. Our other unofficial Motto, "Thank God for Mississippi", doesn't even help here as they surpassed us.

This is going to get a LOT worse before it gets better. I really want to be wrong here.
 

ondma

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Unless, you know, you still want to try to avoid getting infected still. Hardly insanity, unless you're just injecting your own ego into everything as usual.
Yea, especially with the highly contagious delta variant, breakthrough infections are becoming increasingly common. Also it is being found that vaccinated people can carry a similar load of virus (hence infectious to others) as non-vaccinated, again especially with the Delta variant.

IMO, the CDC should not have relented on the mask mandate earlier (May or whenever it was). It was just an invitation for widespread infection from the non-vaccinated who are obviously not going to follow the honor system and wear a mask.
 
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ondma

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I pretty much agree with the new federal employee/contractor requirements. Make it uncomfortable to remain unvaccinated. Not so thrilled with the $100 for each new vaccination as I'm a firm believer in not rewarding bad behavior, but I can live with it it it helps get us where we need to be.

"Biden said every federal government employee and on-site contractor will be asked to attest to their vaccination status.
Employees who have not been vaccinated 'will be required to wear a mask on the job no matter their geographic location, physically distance from all other employees and visitors, comply with a weekly or twice weekly screening testing requirement, and be subject to restrictions on official travel,' the White House said ahead of Biden's speech."

Yea, the 100.00 reward is really annoying. Here in MN, the governor just announced they are giving a hundred bucks to those who get vaccinated now. Really unfair to those already vaccinated. It is especially unfair because I got vaccinated early, and spent many, many hours on the computer trying to get an appointment, before one was finally available. I got squat for being vaccinated, but now the holdouts who can get a walk in shot with no effort are getting rewarded? WTF. I guess it is worth it, but there should be some kind tax credit or something for those who got vaccinated earlier.
 

Pohemi

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Yea, the 100.00 reward is really annoying. Here in MN, the governor just announced they are giving a hundred bucks to those who get vaccinated now. Really unfair to those already vaccinated. It is especially unfair because I got vaccinated early, and spent many, many hours on the computer trying to get an appointment, before one was finally available. I got squat for being vaccinated, but now the holdouts who can get a walk in shot with no effort are getting rewarded? WTF. I guess it is worth it, but there should be some kind tax credit or something for those who got vaccinated earlier.
Yeah, it's like bribing your toddler with candy to get them to stop screaming in the checkout aisles at the market.

They don't really deserve it for being imbecile hold-outs, but if it gets more of them vaccinated, that's what counts. I understand the frustration with rewarding bad behavior, though.
 

ch33zw1z

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Meh, only $100, maybe worth it to some. For me, getting the vaccine for free asap was worth it. It definitely added to stress relief to my life, which is worth way more than $100 to me.

If it gets more people vaccinated, then worth it. I don't think the government should have to keep upping it either.
 

ewdotson

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Yea, the 100.00 reward is really annoying. Here in MN, the governor just announced they are giving a hundred bucks to those who get vaccinated now. Really unfair to those already vaccinated. It is especially unfair because I got vaccinated early, and spent many, many hours on the computer trying to get an appointment, before one was finally available. I got squat for being vaccinated, but now the holdouts who can get a walk in shot with no effort are getting rewarded? WTF. I guess it is worth it, but there should be some kind tax credit or something for those who got vaccinated earlier.
I saw a meme a few weeks back along the lines of, "we're going to have to wrap the vaccine in cheese, aren't we?" I wish I could say I were surprised at how close it's come to being true.

(Of course, I have a "friend" on facebook who was comparing herself to Rosa Parks this morning. So metaphorical cheese is only going to go so far.)
 

Stokely

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Seatbelts aren't really a great analogy (unless not wearing one endangers others, which it may well do). Drunk driving is a better one. Are there people who whine that they are not allowed to get hammered and go out driving? I'm sure there are. I can say from doing hundreds of bar gigs that there is NO shortage of inebriated--like, staggering and barely walking--people that pile into their cars at the end of the night. And the law rightly comes down on them severely (or should).

Taking a dump on the floor of a restaurant is another good comparison. You are endangering the health of others and have to sacrifice your animal need to poop on the spot in favor of going to the designated room--why, that's like herding someone to a concentration camp!!! Why aren't these same mask-protesting anti-vaxxer morons protesting this?
 

Sunburn74

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Seatbelts aren't really a great analogy (unless not wearing one endangers others, which it may well do). Drunk driving is a better one. Are there people who whine that they are not allowed to get hammered and go out driving? I'm sure there are. I can say from doing hundreds of bar gigs that there is NO shortage of inebriated--like, staggering and barely walking--people that pile into their cars at the end of the night. And the law rightly comes down on them severely (or should).

Taking a dump on the floor of a restaurant is another good comparison. You are endangering the health of others and have to sacrifice your animal need to poop on the spot in favor of going to the designated room--why, that's like herding someone to a concentration camp!!! Why aren't these same mask-protesting anti-vaxxer morons protesting this?
There is a paper in the NEJM this week that vaccinated people can easily transmit the delta variant. There's another from last week which stated that vaccinated people can still get sick from the delta but it's much less severe. Basically these papers are why the CDC is now requesting everyone indoors go back to masking.
 
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ondma

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There is a paper in the NEJM this week that vaccinated people can easily transmit the delta variant. There's another from last week which stated that vaccinated people can still get sick from the delta but it's much less severe. Basically these papers are why the CDC is now requesting everyone indoors go back to masking.
Actually, it is not that simple. The recommendation is for areas with more than a certain rate of infection or positive tests. Again, I think this is a mistake. It just sows more confusion. They should have just made it a nationwide request. (Actually they should have never removed the original mandate, but that has been debated in another thread.)

Another issue is that here in MN (and I assume other states) the governor gave up his emergency powers when it seemed Covid was going to be under control. The republicans in the state House of Representatives were fighting him tooth and nail, so I dont know what would happen if we needed a statewide mask mandate and/or shutdowns again.

I am hoping we can escape relatively easily in MN, since we do have a fairly high vaccination rate.
 

weblooker2021

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"The Biden administration’s mandate for federal contractors’ employees to be vaccinated will be halted nationwide, amid a slew of challenges from states that say the president overstepped his authority in requiring the Covid-19 shots. "
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fskimospy

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"The Biden administration’s mandate for federal contractors’ employees to be vaccinated will be halted nationwide, amid a slew of challenges from states that say the president overstepped his authority in requiring the Covid-19 shots. "
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It’s weird that you keep citing these cases as if they mean something. Do you remember all the nationwide injunctions that happened against Trump’s insane immigration policies?
 

weblooker2021

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It’s weird that you keep citing these cases as if they mean something. Do you remember all the nationwide injunctions that happened against Trump’s insane immigration policies?
All of our legal experts here on executive power, were saying how president had all of this power. I am just reminding this same experts that might not be the case.
 

fskimospy

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All of our legal experts here on executive power, were saying how president had all of this power. I am just reminding this same experts that might not be the case.
Lots of district judges said the same thing about the ACA - how did that work out for them?
 
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