<<<<<Big AMD Price Cuts July 9th!!!!!!>>>>>

[timswim78]

Wow, what a tempting time to buy, but I think that I can hold out for 65nm chips at the higher speeds.

 

[RISman]

Now at The Egg

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103773
$169

That is just insane! Free shipping too!

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: RISman
Now at The Egg

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail
Item #: N82E16819103773
$169

That is just insane! Free shipping too!

And you get a free game: Either Rainbow Six Vegas or Splinter Cell.

What a deal!

 

[Texun]

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: harpoon84
Great news for consumers, bad news for AMD. For christs sake, it's almost like their entire CPU line has been relegated to budget status. A delayed desktop K10 is obviously not helping, if reports of a Q1 08 launch are true then AMD will be in a world of hurt for the remainder of the year.

Sorry if this is raining on your parades because price cuts are great for us, but I really am starting to worry about AMD's financial stability.

Whoa, I just realized that looking at the list above. Every one of their processors is budget now it seems. I can't imagine how the execs down at AMD are feeling.

Reminds me of the old Cyrix days. Bummer for AMD..... but, I always root for the underdog and hope AMD gets back on top one day soon. They are the only chip maker to have even a chance at keeping Intel from gouging our eyes out.

 

[colonel]

sick and tired of changing mobos with different socket.

 

[covert24]

well with am2 your good till beyond AM3. AM2-AM2+-AM3 can all be used in eachothers motherboard but will obviously not support certain features, say, when you put a AM3 chip into a AM2 mobo and vic versa but it will still work just fine.

 

[bryanW1995]

Speaking of changing mobos with diff socket, iirc nehalem will require all new mobos. Anybody know for sure about that?

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
Speaking of changing mobos with diff socket, iirc nehalem will require all new mobos. Anybody know for sure about that?

200% positive. Not only it's a new architecture on the CPU itself (integrated memory controller), Intel is also introducing their version of HT - CSI. Everyone will need a new mobo.

X2 6000+ for $169 is extremely tempting. Especially for folks who don't overclock. I wouldn't worry too much for its 125W raiting. (You guys know that Q6600's TDP is 105W?) It should compete well with E6600 at both stock frequencies.

 

[DrMrLordX]

the X2-6000+'s TDP is a bit suspicious to me. It's a 3 ghz processor with a stock vcore of 1.3v, which is the same stock vcore as my X2-3600+ Brisbane. I'm guessing AMD is over-estimating a bit there. Anyone got any power consumption benchmarks on the chip?

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
the X2-6000+'s TDP is a bit suspicious to me. It's a 3 ghz processor with a stock vcore of 1.3v, which is the same stock vcore as my X2-3600+ Brisbane. I'm guessing AMD is over-estimating a bit there. Anyone got any power consumption benchmarks on the chip?

AMD isn't lying with regards to the 6000+'s power consumption. The Windsor ramp up pretty quickly in terms of TDP after then 65W 5200+.

http://techreport.com/reviews/...2-be2350/index.x?pg=13

 

[mamisano]

I have a 6000+, any way for me to test the TDP? I can post results if there is

 

[GeezerMan]

Just saw the Foxconn C51XEM2AA- 8EKRS2H at the Egg for 84.99AR + 7.16 shipping.
This board goes for 185.00 to 300.00 on the web. No one pays 300.00 for the board, I hope.
Put that board with one of the now cheaper AMD CPUs, some
decent ram for 100.00 for 2GB. Not too bad at all.

Link

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: daveybrat
As of tommorow, here's the new pricing structure:

6000+ $169

5600+ $149

5200+ $129

4800+ $109

4400+ $89

4200+ $79

4000+ $69


Not too shabby? :thumbsup:

I see a 6000+ in my future!

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: harpoon84
Great news for consumers, bad news for AMD. For christs sake, it's almost like their entire CPU line has been relegated to budget status. A delayed desktop K10 is obviously not helping, if reports of a Q1 08 launch are true then AMD will be in a world of hurt for the remainder of the year.

Sorry if this is raining on your parades because price cuts are great for us, but I really am starting to worry about AMD's financial stability.

K10 desktop CPUs have been slated for 2008 via the AMD roadmap forever. This is nothing new, it's not delayed.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
AMD isn't lying with regards to the 6000+'s power consumption. The Windsor ramp up pretty quickly in terms of TDP after then 65W 5200+.
http://techreport.com/reviews/...2-be2350/index.x?pg=13

Wow.. That's an eye-opener. Didn't think 6000+ consumed that much power compared to E6600. I mean I had a Toldedo @3.0GHz almost two years ago and never thought it was that hot running. What a difference 2 years make in today's CPU world..

Edit: On a closer look on that chart, there is something hard to understand. It shows the load power consumption while running Cinebench;

1. 5600+ (Windsor 2.8GHz/1MB L2 per core): 197W
   6000+ (Windsor 3.0GHz/1MB L2 per core): 243W

200MHz difference in frequency and almost 50W difference in power consumption??

Edit 2: Definitely something's off. According to that graph, 2.6GHz Windsor (5000+) consumes more power than 2.8GHz windsor.

1. 5600+ (Windsor 2.8GHz/1MB L2 per core): 197W
   5000+ (Windsor 2.6GHz/1MB L2 per core): 199W
   6000+ (Windsor 3.0GHz/1MB L2 per core): 243W

 

[Diogenes2]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider
I see a 6000+ in my future!

I have a 5600+ in one of my rigs, and it went right to 3.1 on default
vcore..

Another option you might consider...

 

[GeezerMan]

Pale Rider is already at 3.0GHz with his FX-60. I don't know how much of a performance increase he would see by going to a 5600 or a 6000 even with a bit of a overclock.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: coldpower27
AMD isn't lying with regards to the 6000+'s power consumption. The Windsor ramp up pretty quickly in terms of TDP after then 65W 5200+.
http://techreport.com/reviews/...2-be2350/index.x?pg=13

Wow.. That's an eye-opener. Didn't think 6000+ consumed that much power compared to E6600. I mean I had a Toldedo @3.0GHz almost two years ago and never thought it was that hot running. What a difference 2 years make in today's CPU world..

Edit: On a closer look on that chart, there is something hard to understand. It shows the load power consumption while running Cinebench;

1. 5600+ (Windsor 2.8GHz/1MB L2 per core): 197W
   6000+ (Windsor 3.0GHz/1MB L2 per core): 243W

200MHz difference in frequency and almost 50W difference in power consumption??

Edit 2: Definitely something's off. According to that graph, 2.6GHz Windsor (5000+) consumes more power than 2.8GHz windsor.

1. 5600+ (Windsor 2.8GHz/1MB L2 per core): 197W
   5000+ (Windsor 2.6GHz/1MB L2 per core): 199W
   6000+ (Windsor 3.0GHz/1MB L2 per core): 243W

There's nothing wrong with this, it means that the 5600+ is further below the 89W then the 6000+ is below it's 125W envelope, the difference between their top values is 36W, and real world testing is showing 46W, so if the 6000+ is 120W let's say, then the 5600+ is 74W, which is still above the 65W TDP of 5200+ so it can't be used, and has to fall under the 89W TDP.

This site has also shown some E6300's being more power hungry then a E6400. Remember the 5600+ are F3 stepping processors, it's just a case of newer stepping vs old, the 5000+ 90nm core is based on the older F2 stepping.

There is also simply yield to consider, Intel & AMD do sometimes sell poorer quality processors at lower TDP's because they couldn't make a certain TDP level at certain frequency but can at a lower frequency.

Remember power curves are typically logarithmic, and it seems for 90nm SKU's 2.6GHZ is about the optimum you can reach at this time before power shoots up dramatically, for even minor upticks.

This is probably why AMD can create lower power SKU's relatively easily because their power levels scales down quicker, while Intel are slower scaling down.

 

[stogez]

I have a feeling this is going to hurt the consumers in the end. Intel is going to burn AMD to the ground and then go back to charging whatever the feel like for their new processors
I hope AMD makes a comeback. Even if Intel processors are better, at least competition keeps Intel grounded.

 

[ty1er]

Originally posted by: stogez
I have a feeling this is going to hurt the consumers in the end. Intel is going to burn AMD to the ground and then go back to charging whatever the feel like for their new processors
I hope AMD makes a comeback. Even if Intel processors are better, at least competition keeps Intel grounded.

Yes, very much so.
I would just love to see AMD crush Intel in the proformace arena.
My last Intel chip was a PII 450. Throughout the years I have always felt the AMD had the better Price/Proformace ratio. AMD was in its glory when they released thier 64bit chips. My socket 939 system was extremely fast and solid. I loved that system.

But now Intel has been sweeping the floor with AMD cause of there C2D processors.
It really makes me say inside to see AMD catcha beat down like this from Intel. Well, not sad enough - since I built my last rig around a C2D. ;-)

I would be very please to see AMD come out swing with something revolutionary. It would be nice, but I dont think its the K10. If it is, word, thats great. but the leaked benchies dont seem as great as they where expected.

 

[GFORCE100]

Originally posted by: jjsole
It pains me to see AMD choke so hard on the price competition.

(altho unfortunately not enough to avoid waiting for the new core2's in a couple weeks. )

If AMD had higher class CPU's to offer it would not need to choke on the low profits possible in the budget sector. Since it can only offer budget CPU's at budget prices it's at its own fault for running dry in the financial department.

AMD's price fall is in response to Intel's July 22nd price fall. If Intel didn't want to do a price cut then sure you can be very sure AMD would behave identically.

There's no reason to worry however. Only the CEO and CFO of AMD need to be worrying right now for spending money they didn't have and getting a fragile company into bigger debt. Unless AMD gets private cash from some investor(s) then they will have to announce in late Q3 or Q4 this year that they are in financial constraint. They are obliged to as a listed company on the NYSE and other stock exchanges.

AMD believed too much in its superiority over Intel during the Athlon X2/Pentium 4/D era and decided it was ok to take money from its R&D and spend on bonuses and fabs, and loans and ATI etc. etc. Sure AMD thought it grabbed God by his legs and decided we will finally become a big company but unfortunately AMD forgot Intel has a very good track record for delivering good products at the right time. Even if an Intel product isn't as good then it's marketing department makes sure that Mr Smith or Mrs Smith believes otherwise. AMD just can't do that. Besides all this K7 was never AMD's design, they bought NextGen back in 1997 and the K7 was actually their design. The K8 and so forth is based on the K7.

Until this day I don't know what the hell was AMD thinking trying to make a native quad core chip comprising a lot of silicon per unit knowing damn well that their manufacturing performance is less than stellar and such a chip is very prone to not delivering high yields early in the game. If you have a 200mm2 die and a 66mm2 die then you can be very sure even if one of the core in a native 200ms2 die is duff, then you need to throw away the entire 200mm2 you just lost. If AMD just simply behaved according to its size and capabilities and instead employed a dual core at most manufacturing approach, then then would they have a much better chance at getting Phenom and Agena out of the door.

AMD is in panic mode right now regardless whatever statement they provide stating otherwise. AMD is in bad shape right now, make no mistake thinking otherwise.