Big Three take 47 percent of 'Cash for Clunkers' sales; Ford Focus top-seller

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
those this program was a huge success. if we keep having success then the republicans might lose more seats lol

Engrish?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
those this program was a huge success. if we keep having success then the republicans might lose more seats lol

Engrish?

dont you work? You are the waist in the system. Go push some paper, boy.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: BoberFett
It's going to be funny when the working poor are unable to afford a used card to get back and forth from work because we just destroyed several hundred thousand of them just to artificially pump up the top line revenue of mismanaged companies.

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Just those that are hell bent against this plan no matter how successful it appears all happen to be on the right leaning side of the political spectrum. Only quoting your original post because it brought up the working poor. Opponents of this plan aren't exactly historically champions of that demographic. Or even working class for that matter.


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So providing subsidies to Asian auto manufacturers is considered a success in your book?

Marysville Ohio says hi.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Marysville Ohio says hi.

all he cares about is that this is painted as a failure so his dweebs can get back into power.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
those this program was a huge success. if we keep having success then the republicans might lose more seats lol

Engrish?

dont you work? You are the waist in the system. Go push some paper, boy.

Waist? Seriously?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Waist? Seriously?

know.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Patranus
Borrow/Print money to run government - Check
Borrow/print money to build cars/pay labor - Check
Lose money on each car built - Check
Borrow/Print money to give consumers incentives to buy cars - Check
Tax "borrowed/printed" money from consumers to pay for Government - Check
Tax "borrowed/printed" money from labor who built cars - Check

Anyone else see a problem?

Except Ford is profitable, and has the #1 sold vehicle in the program, and had no bailout money.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Patranus

So providing subsidies to Asian auto manufacturers is considered a success in your book?

Top Cash for Clunkers Trade-Ins and New Cars

The Top Ten Cash for Clunkers Trade-Ins:

1. 1998 Ford Explorer
2. 1997 Ford Explorer
3. 1996 Ford Explorer
4. 1999 Ford Explorer
5. Jeep Grand Cherokee
6. Jeep Cherokee
7. 1995 Ford Explorer
8. 1994 Ford Explorer
9. 1997 Ford Windstar
10. 1999 Dodge Caravan

The Top Ten Cash for Clunkers New Cars:

1. Ford Focus
2. Honda Civic
3. Toyota Corolla
4. Toyota Prius
5. Ford Escape
6. Toyota Camry
7. Dodge Caliber
8. Hyundai Elantra
9. Honda Fit
10. Chevy Cobalt

Ford, the ONLY major U.S. auto maker that took no bail out money, has the top selling car new car in the program, all three American companies benefitted and Honda, Toyota and Hyundai all have U.S. assembly plants employing American workers and utilizing local suppliers.

So, replacing polluting, low milage, high maintainance clunkers with new cars built in the U.S. by an American workforce while saving jobs at local dealerships, supporting local business communities and reducing unemployment isn't considered a success in your book?

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
those this program was a huge success. if we keep having success then the republicans might lose more seats lol

Engrish?

dont you work? You are the waist in the system. Go push some paper, boy.

Waist? Seriously?

u r the belly of the beast, maybe?

it would be interesting to sort through the cars that are turned in for this... there are probably a couple of classics that would deserve saving that are just in disrepair...

but from the list above it sure looks like families got smaller; folks aren't going camping anymore; lots of people should have been driving smaller cars in the first place...

 

[Acanthus]

Just as an aside, the 2009 Focus is an EXTREMELY nice car. It looks like Ford is really getting on track with the Focus, Fusion, Escape Hybrid, New Taurus, and up and coming Plug in EV Focus.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Harvey

So, replacing polluting, low milage, high maintainance clunkers with new cars built in the U.S. by an American workforce while saving jobs at local dealerships, supporting local business communities and reducing unemployment isn't considered a success in your book?

iirc, no prius is built here. nor is any fit. seems like corollas are canadian at best. probably a lot of the others have some built here and some built elsewhere. focus engine is from mexico, though assembly is in wayne

second, judging from the videos showing up on youtube, a lot of the cars traded in weren't even clunkers. it's not like the cars had to fail smog to qualify. they could be well maintained cars that just aren't worth all that much due to age. would have been better to keep trading the better "clunkers" for the real hoopties on the road.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Just as an aside, the 2009 Focus is an EXTREMELY nice car. It looks like Ford is really getting on track with the Focus, Fusion, Escape Hybrid, New Taurus, and up and coming Plug in EV Focus.

yeap. I'm trying to talk my wife into tradeing in her 1996 ford escort (with 134k miles) for a new focus. she does nto want to give up her car heh.

 

[bctbct]

I wish they would have tied the new car to a domestic content percentage, but overall I am pleased with the results.

As someone said, this price tag is the same cost as 6 F-22's, I think the miliatry can wait on a few new toys.

 

[Budmantom]

I'm surprised that it's not reported how cash for clunkers will hurt the poor, minorities and gays.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

iirc, no prius is built here. nor is any fit. probably a lot of the others have some built here and some built elsewhere. focus engine is from mexico, though assembly is in wayne

I didn't claim they were all built, here. Hell! You won't find an American car with all American parts in it, especially the electronics.

second, judging from the videos showing up on youtube, a lot of the cars traded in weren't even clunkers. it's not like the cars had to fail smog to qualify. they could be well maintained cars that just aren't worth all that much due to age. would have been better to keep trading the better "clunkers" for the real hoopties on the road.

Irrelevant. The program specifies a minimum milage differential between the buyer's old car and the new one being purchased with higher payment for a greater differential. If the trade-ins are "well maintained cars that just aren't worth all that much due to age" they're still getting lower milage. Even if they're working to spec, the pollution standards for older cars still allows them to pollute more than newer cars, and they're approaching scrap value, anyhow so getting them off the road and replacing them with newer cars is still a good idea. AND it still helps the American auto companies, reduces unemployment and pumps money into local economies.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I'm surprised that it's not reported how cash for clunkers will hurt the poor, minorities and gays.

Because it doesn't.




Annoy Budmantom, marry within your species.



YHPM

Senior Anandtech Moderator
Common Courtesy

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I'm surprised that it's not reported how cash for clunkers will hurt the poor, minorities and gays.

Because it doesn't.




Annoy Budmantom, marry within your species.

You aren't that naive are you?





Are you getting a divorce and starting over?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Harvey

I didn't claim they were all built, here. Hell! You won't find an American car with all American parts in it, especially the electronics.

no, you didn't, but i never said you said all, now did i? a reasonable interpretation of what you wrote would be a majority of cars sold under the program were assembled here. i doubt even that is true. if you include major sub components like engine and transmission it's almost assured that more than half the value is built elsewhere, even if final assembly was done here.

Irrelevant. The program specifies a minimum milage differential between the buyer's old car and the new one being purchased with higher payment for a greater differential. If the trade-ins are "well maintained cars that just aren't worth all that much due to age" they're still getting lower milage. Even if they're working to spec, the pollution standards for older cars still allows them to pollute more than newer cars, and they're approaching scrap value, anyhow so getting them off the road and replacing them with newer cars is still a good idea. AND it still helps the American auto companies, reduces unemployment and pumps money into local economies.

not irrelevant politically. if people see that we're destroying cars that run well rather than real hoopties they may decide that even if the program meets its goals those goals are suspect. especially if people are buying a bunch of cars the majority of the value of which was built elsewhere. then we're just sending yet more money out of the country.

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Just as an aside, the 2009 Focus is an EXTREMELY nice car. It looks like Ford is really getting on track with the Focus, Fusion, Escape Hybrid, New Taurus, and up and coming Plug in EV Focus.

yeap. I'm trying to talk my wife into tradeing in her 1996 ford escort (with 134k miles) for a new focus. she does nto want to give up her car heh.

She's probably like us, why replace something that just works right:thumbsup:

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Patranus

So providing subsidies to Asian auto manufacturers is considered a success in your book?

Top Cash for Clunkers Trade-Ins and New Cars

The Top Ten Cash for Clunkers Trade-Ins:

1. 1998 Ford Explorer
2. 1997 Ford Explorer
3. 1996 Ford Explorer
4. 1999 Ford Explorer
5. Jeep Grand Cherokee
6. Jeep Cherokee
7. 1995 Ford Explorer
8. 1994 Ford Explorer
9. 1997 Ford Windstar
10. 1999 Dodge Caravan

The Top Ten Cash for Clunkers New Cars:

1. Ford Focus
2. Honda Civic
3. Toyota Corolla
4. Toyota Prius
5. Ford Escape
6. Toyota Camry
7. Dodge Caliber
8. Hyundai Elantra
9. Honda Fit
10. Chevy Cobalt

Ford, the ONLY major U.S. auto maker that took no bail out money, has the top selling car new car in the program, all three American companies benefitted and Honda, Toyota and Hyundai all have U.S. assembly plants employing American workers and utilizing local suppliers.

So, replacing polluting, low milage, high maintainance clunkers with new cars built in the U.S. by an American workforce while saving jobs at local dealerships, supporting local business communities and reducing unemployment isn't considered a success in your book?

It is in mine :thumbsup:

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Harvey

So, replacing polluting, low milage, high maintainance clunkers with new cars built in the U.S. by an American workforce while saving jobs at local dealerships, supporting local business communities and reducing unemployment isn't considered a success in your book?

iirc, no prius is built here. nor is any fit. seems like corollas are canadian at best. probably a lot of the others have some built here and some built elsewhere. focus engine is from mexico, though assembly is in wayne

second, judging from the videos showing up on youtube, a lot of the cars traded in weren't even clunkers. it's not like the cars had to fail smog to qualify. they could be well maintained cars that just aren't worth all that much due to age. would have been better to keep trading the better "clunkers" for the real hoopties on the road.

Prius will be in 2010 according to Toyota.

And the Fit, per wiki:
he Fit is produced in 5 factories throughout the world. Suzuka (Japan), Sumaré (Brazil), Guangzhou (China), Ayutthaya (Thailand), and Karawang (Indonesia). Models produced in Japan are for Honda's home market, exported to Europe, some Asian markets, as well as Canada and the United States. Models in Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam are produced in Thailand. The Brazilian factory supplies all of Latin America and the Caribbean. Chinese models are sold in mainland China and also exported to some left hand drive European markets, while Jazz models in Hong Kong are made in Japan,

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Harvey

So, replacing polluting, low milage, high maintainance clunkers with new cars built in the U.S. by an American workforce while saving jobs at local dealerships, supporting local business communities and reducing unemployment isn't considered a success in your book?

iirc, no prius is built here. nor is any fit. seems like corollas are canadian at best. probably a lot of the others have some built here and some built elsewhere. focus engine is from mexico, though assembly is in wayne

second, judging from the videos showing up on youtube, a lot of the cars traded in weren't even clunkers. it's not like the cars had to fail smog to qualify. they could be well maintained cars that just aren't worth all that much due to age. would have been better to keep trading the better "clunkers" for the real hoopties on the road.

Prius will be in 2010 according to Toyota.

And the Fit, per wiki:
he Fit is produced in 5 factories throughout the world. Suzuka (Japan), Sumaré (Brazil), Guangzhou (China), Ayutthaya (Thailand), and Karawang (Indonesia). Models produced in Japan are for Honda's home market, exported to Europe, some Asian markets, as well as Canada and the United States. Models in Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam are produced in Thailand. The Brazilian factory supplies all of Latin America and the Caribbean. Chinese models are sold in mainland China and also exported to some left hand drive European markets, while Jazz models in Hong Kong are made in Japan,

Harvey is a global citizen and Barrrack Hussein Oblama is the president of the world, the stimulus money was for the whole world so once again.. mission accomplished.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Buttmantom

Harvey is a global citizen and Barrrack Hussein Oblama is the president of the world, the stimulus money was for the whole world so once again.. mission accomplished.

So what, exactly, is your point, purpose for and problem with posting that meaningless remark?

Go ahead and prove that "Cash for Clunkers" ISN'T helping American buyers, auto makers, parts suppliers, dealerships, ancillary service providers, local business communities and local, state and Federal tax revenues. Then, maybe you can bitch about me posting that they do.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Buttmantom

Harvey is a global citizen and Barrrack Hussein Oblama is the president of the world, the stimulus money was for the whole world so once again.. mission accomplished.

So what, exactly, is your point, purpose for and problem with posting that meaningless remark?

Go ahead and prove that "Cash for Clunkers" ISN'T helping American buyers, auto makers, parts suppliers, dealerships, ancillary service providers, local business communities and local, state and Federal tax revenues. Then, maybe you can bitch about me posting that they do.

Its not helping buyers, for the most part. Most of the people who are trading these in, I would be willing to bet, dont have more than $500 to their name. This was incentive for them to get a new car at a deeply discounted price, at the expense of a car payment, which would serve them MUCH better sitting in a savings account or paying off other debts.

For everyone else you listed...yeah, it was good.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Buttmantom

Harvey is a global citizen and Barrrack Hussein Oblama is the president of the world, the stimulus money was for the whole world so once again.. mission accomplished.

So what, exactly, is your point, purpose for and problem with posting that meaningless remark?

Go ahead and prove that "Cash for Clunkers" ISN'T helping American buyers, auto makers, parts suppliers, dealerships, ancillary service providers, local business communities and local, state and Federal tax revenues. Then, maybe you can bitch about me posting that they do.

In the short term this program is hurting mechanics. In the long term you're reducing future demand, injecting a much lowered perceived market value of a new auto into the minds of consumers, and destroying the cars that the poor could actually afford.

Put down the pom-pons and at least acknowledge there is another side to the program :roll: