Big Three take 47 percent of 'Cash for Clunkers' sales; Ford Focus top-seller

[sciwizam]

Might want to edit the thread headline, seems Corolla is the best seller

http://money.cnn.com/news/news...23-12-49_N05179751.htm

 

[cubby1223]

And for all the cheerleaders in this thread calling this program a wonderful success, have you considered the economic impact this is having on all the other struggling retailers when a quarter million people just spent all their money on a new car they didn't need?

Oh, sorry I'm not being the good Obama disciple you guys want me to be. Hooray! The auto makers are saved! The economy has been saved! The environment has been saved! I love Obama! I love MSNBC! I love progressive talk radio! I love my weekly youtube re-education sessions!

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: sciwizam
Might want to edit the thread headline, seems Corolla is the best seller

http://money.cnn.com/news/news...23-12-49_N05179751.htm

I love how the administrations comes out and says they don't have time to compile the data because they are spending too much time administrating the program.

It is a DATABASE where the SELLERS enter all of the information. It is not as if they have to go through thousands of order forms. I know a 10 year-old that could look at the database and write a SQL statement in 5 minutes that would give the public the information it wants/needs.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Buttmantom

Harvey is a global citizen and Barrrack Hussein Oblama is the president of the world, the stimulus money was for the whole world so once again.. mission accomplished.

So what, exactly, is your point, purpose for and problem with posting that meaningless remark?

Go ahead and prove that "Cash for Clunkers" ISN'T helping American buyers, auto makers, parts suppliers, dealerships, ancillary service providers, local business communities and local, state and Federal tax revenues. Then, maybe you can bitch about me posting that they do.

I have explained my point a few times, I'll try again even though plenty of people have already mentioned it, I guess you just aren't too bright so I'll type real slow.

This program takes over 200k+ inexpensive cars out of the market and drives the costs up of the cars that are left so the people who have the least such as the poor, minorities, gays and democrats will now be priced out of good quality transportation. Taking 200k+ new cars will drive up the price of new cars, not too mention taxes going up and Barry Husssein Obama paying back the UAW and the bankers for his election.

The real bad part of this program is that as horribly flawed as it is this is the best thing the the Dem's in Washington have done in the last 6 months, the expectations that you and I have for this administration and congress are very low but they never disappoint.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Buttmantom

Harvey is a global citizen and Barrrack Hussein Oblama is the president of the world, the stimulus money was for the whole world so once again.. mission accomplished.

So what, exactly, is your point, purpose for and problem with posting that meaningless remark?

Go ahead and prove that "Cash for Clunkers" ISN'T helping American buyers, auto makers, parts suppliers, dealerships, ancillary service providers, local business communities and local, state and Federal tax revenues. Then, maybe you can bitch about me posting that they do.

I have explained my point a few times, I'll try again even though plenty of people have already mentioned it, I guess you just aren't too bright so I'll type real slow.

This program takes over 200k+ inexpensive cars out of the market and drives the costs up of the cars that are left so the people who have the least such as the poor, minorities, gays and democrats will now be priced out of good quality transportation. Taking 200k+ new cars will drive up the price of new cars, not too mention taxes going up and Barry Husssein Obama paying back the UAW and the bankers for his election.

The real bad part of this program is that as horribly flawed as it is this is the best thing the the Dem's in Washington have done in the last 6 months, the expectations that you and I have for this administration and congress are very low but they never disappoint.

wow....don't pull a muscle stretching so hard!!

 

[Budmantom]

This was posted by Jiggz in the other "cash for clunkers" thread and I thought he brough up some very valid points.


A program designed to work until Nov 1 only lasted less than 7 days and ran out of money! That's what's pissing off ordinary Americans. The WH economist are obviously shooting from the hip whenever they come out with economic figures including the $787 Stimulus, the employment figure of 8%, the create and save 3~4 million jobs and the neutral deficit UHC. Do you see a pattern? If you don't then you are truly a Democrat and should stay as such!

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
This was posted by Jiggz in the other "cash for clunkers" thread and I thought he brough up some very valid points.


A program designed to work until Nov 1 only lasted less than 7 days and ran out of money! That's what's pissing off ordinary Americans. The WH economist are obviously shooting from the hip whenever they come out with economic figures including the $787 Stimulus, the employment figure of 8%, the create and save 3~4 million jobs and the neutral deficit UHC. Do you see a pattern? If you don't then you are truly a Democrat and should stay as such!

that post you covet attempts to tie the cash for clunkers program...something fairly straight forward...with complicated government programs such as the Stimulus, UHC, employment predictions (which always should be taken with a grain of salt) yadda yadda yadda.

Not a reasonable analysis by any stretch.

So what you are saying is don't trust White House economists???so what...I should trust Fox news economists instead?

how about....we don't trust anyone with an opinion and a motive?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Buttmantom

Harvey is a global citizen and Barrrack Hussein Oblama is the president of the world, the stimulus money was for the whole world so once again.. mission accomplished.

So what, exactly, is your point, purpose for and problem with posting that meaningless remark?

Go ahead and prove that "Cash for Clunkers" ISN'T helping American buyers, auto makers, parts suppliers, dealerships, ancillary service providers, local business communities and local, state and Federal tax revenues. Then, maybe you can bitch about me posting that they do.

I have explained my point a few times, I'll try again even though plenty of people have already mentioned it, I guess you just aren't too bright so I'll type real slow.

This program takes over 200k+ inexpensive cars out of the market and drives the costs up of the cars that are left so the people who have the least such as the poor, minorities, gays and democrats will now be priced out of good quality transportation. Taking 200k+ new cars will drive up the price of new cars, not too mention taxes going up and Barry Husssein Obama paying back the UAW and the bankers for his election.

The real bad part of this program is that as horribly flawed as it is this is the best thing the the Dem's in Washington have done in the last 6 months, the expectations that you and I have for this administration and congress are very low but they never disappoint.

wow....don't pull a muscle stretching so hard!!

LOL yeah I'm streatching.... this is coming from the same party that wants to spend our way back to prosperity, scratch that borrow our way back to prosperity or is it print our way back to prosperity? Democrat logic, you can't make this shit up.


And charities are being hit hard by this... granted democrats generally don't give to charities but my point still stands.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
This was posted by Jiggz in the other "cash for clunkers" thread and I thought he brough up some very valid points.


A program designed to work until Nov 1 only lasted less than 7 days and ran out of money! That's what's pissing off ordinary Americans. The WH economist are obviously shooting from the hip whenever they come out with economic figures including the $787 Stimulus, the employment figure of 8%, the create and save 3~4 million jobs and the neutral deficit UHC. Do you see a pattern? If you don't then you are truly a Democrat and should stay as such!

You had to post an opinion of another member to make your point?

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Budmantom
This was posted by Jiggz in the other "cash for clunkers" thread and I thought he brough up some very valid points.


A program designed to work until Nov 1 only lasted less than 7 days and ran out of money! That's what's pissing off ordinary Americans. The WH economist are obviously shooting from the hip whenever they come out with economic figures including the $787 Stimulus, the employment figure of 8%, the create and save 3~4 million jobs and the neutral deficit UHC. Do you see a pattern? If you don't then you are truly a Democrat and should stay as such!

that post you covet attempts to tie the cash for clunkers program...something fairly straight forward...with complicated government programs such as the Stimulus, UHC, employment predictions (which always should be taken with a grain of salt) yadda yadda yadda.

Not a reasonable analysis by any stretch.

So what you are saying is don't trust White House economists???so what...I should trust Fox news economists instead?

how about....we don't trust anyone with an opinion and a motive?

Yeah it's so complicated.... they haven't got a thing right yet and by the looks of it they aren't getting any closer.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Yeah it's so complicated.... they haven't got a thing right yet and by the looks of it they aren't getting any closer.

Hey now, is he or is he not better than Bush?

That is the only grading system anyone is allowed to use anymore.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Buttmantom

Harvey is a global citizen and Barrrack Hussein Oblama is the president of the world, the stimulus money was for the whole world so once again.. mission accomplished.

So what, exactly, is your point, purpose for and problem with posting that meaningless remark?

Go ahead and prove that "Cash for Clunkers" ISN'T helping American buyers, auto makers, parts suppliers, dealerships, ancillary service providers, local business communities and local, state and Federal tax revenues. Then, maybe you can bitch about me posting that they do.

I have explained my point a few times, I'll try again even though plenty of people have already mentioned it, I guess you just aren't too bright so I'll type real slow.

This program takes over 200k+ inexpensive cars out of the market and drives the costs up of the cars that are left so the people who have the least such as the poor, minorities, gays and democrats will now be priced out of good quality transportation. Taking 200k+ new cars will drive up the price of new cars, not too mention taxes going up and Barry Husssein Obama paying back the UAW and the bankers for his election.

The real bad part of this program is that as horribly flawed as it is this is the best thing the the Dem's in Washington have done in the last 6 months, the expectations that you and I have for this administration and congress are very low but they never disappoint.

wow....don't pull a muscle stretching so hard!!

LOL yeah I'm streatching.... this is coming from the same party that wants to spend our way back to prosperity, scratch that borrow our way back to prosperity or is it print our way back to prosperity? Democrat logic, you can't make this shit up.


And charities are being hit hard by this... granted democrats generally don't give to charities but my point still stands.

oh the charities!!!

bleeding heart...republican?!!? :shock;

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Buttmantom

Harvey is a global citizen and Barrrack Hussein Oblama is the president of the world, the stimulus money was for the whole world so once again.. mission accomplished.

So what, exactly, is your point, purpose for and problem with posting that meaningless remark?

Go ahead and prove that "Cash for Clunkers" ISN'T helping American buyers, auto makers, parts suppliers, dealerships, ancillary service providers, local business communities and local, state and Federal tax revenues. Then, maybe you can bitch about me posting that they do.

Its not helping buyers, for the most part. Most of the people who are trading these in, I would be willing to bet, dont have more than $500 to their name. This was incentive for them to get a new car at a deeply discounted price, at the expense of a car payment, which would serve them MUCH better sitting in a savings account or paying off other debts.

For everyone else you listed...yeah, it was good.

Wow, Fail.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Budmantom
This was posted by Jiggz in the other "cash for clunkers" thread and I thought he brough up some very valid points.


A program designed to work until Nov 1 only lasted less than 7 days and ran out of money! That's what's pissing off ordinary Americans. The WH economist are obviously shooting from the hip whenever they come out with economic figures including the $787 Stimulus, the employment figure of 8%, the create and save 3~4 million jobs and the neutral deficit UHC. Do you see a pattern? If you don't then you are truly a Democrat and should stay as such!

that post you covet attempts to tie the cash for clunkers program...something fairly straight forward...with complicated government programs such as the Stimulus, UHC, employment predictions (which always should be taken with a grain of salt) yadda yadda yadda.

Not a reasonable analysis by any stretch.

So what you are saying is don't trust White House economists???so what...I should trust Fox news economists instead?

how about....we don't trust anyone with an opinion and a motive?

Yeah it's so complicated.... they haven't got a thing right yet and by the looks of it they aren't getting any closer.

actually I'd say the cash for clunkers was soo right...even congressional Republicans have no choice but to back it up or look like idiots.

"I don't get a sense anyone will block it," said Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., the top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee.

Sen. Christopher Bond, R-Mo., called the new money "the best use we can put that stimulus money to," and Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., reported "I'm hearing a lot of support for this."

Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., said he still had concerns about the source of the funds, but he likes the idea that, "This program is actually economic stimulus, not stimulus for government."

of course you have some that will pitch a fight to the bitter end;

Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., said Sunday on Fox News: "This is crazy to try to rush this thing through again while they're trying to rush through health care . ... We've got to slow this thing down." Asked Tuesday if he'd block the effort, DeMint said: "It's not my intent right now."


I think Repubs are simply upset that the Demos are gonna get their way with this program.

neener neener!

oh, one nice statistic provided by this article:

Dealers touted new sales figures, and Ford reported that its sales rose 2.4 percent last month over July a year ago, the first such increase since November 2007.

link

I smell a losing argument coming from the repubs.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Yeah it's so complicated.... they haven't got a thing right yet and by the looks of it they aren't getting any closer.

Hey now, is he or is he not better than Marx?

That is the only grading system anyone is allowed to use anymore.

Only time will tell.

 

[LTC8K6]

The Corolla has overtaken the Focus...

http://money.cnn.com/news/news...23-12-49_N05179751.htm

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
LOL yeah I'm streatching.... this is coming from the same party that wants to spend our way back to prosperity, scratch that borrow our way back to prosperity or is it print our way back to prosperity? Democrat logic, you can't make this shit up.

Borrow and spend to spur borrowing and spending to solve the problems brought on by too much borrowing and spending.

Sounds simple to me :disgust:

 

[her209]

Senate Extends Cash For Clunkers
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08...usiness/07clunker.html

 

[Insomniator]

ugh

Fine, we're taking old ford explorers off the road and replacing them with focuses. Thats actually great but its not the freakin point.

This is now 3 more BILLION dollars that we just printed out of nowhere. well not nowhere, stolen from taxpayers very soon. But we don't even count anymore, whats a few billion here or there.

Why not just give the automakers 30 billion each and give the cars to us for free? Then tax us at 75%? Hell tax us at 100% and give us food, shelter and clothing allotments.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
ugh

Fine, we're taking old ford explorers off the road and replacing them with focuses. Thats actually great but its not the freakin point.

This is now 3 more BILLION dollars that we just printed out of nowhere. well not nowhere, stolen from taxpayers very soon. But we don't even count anymore, whats a few billion here or there.

Why not just give the automakers 30 billion each and give the cars to us for free? Then tax us at 75%? Hell tax us at 100% and give us food, shelter and clothing allotments.

Heh, put some environmental benefit in your proposal and the current admin might just do what u said.

 

[gar3555]

Just saw an update on CNN saying that the figures seem to be skewed:

Report by Edmunds on CNN:

CNN ARTICLE

Sales of GM's Silverado truck, under the government's counting method, were divided among five different versions. So were the Ford F-150s. If the different versions of these trucks were considered the same vehicle, as auto sales are normally reported, sales of these trucks would look much heftier.

Rank Vehicle
1 Ford Escape
2 Ford Focus
3 Jeep Patriot
4 Dodge Caliber
5 Ford F-150
6 Honda Civic
7 Chevrolet Silverado
8 Chevrolet Cobalt
9 Toyota Corolla
10 Ford Fusion

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
ugh

Fine, we're taking old ford explorers off the road and replacing them with focuses. Thats actually great but its not the freakin point.

This is now 3 more BILLION dollars that we just printed out of nowhere. well not nowhere, stolen from taxpayers very soon. But we don't even count anymore, whats a few billion here or there.

Why not just give the automakers 30 billion each and give the cars to us for free? Then tax us at 75%? Hell tax us at 100% and give us food, shelter and clothing allotments.

See thats the thing. Americans are getting desensitized to all this debt. Had this program been started in the Bush years, it would have caused outrage. But now, with the Bush deficits eclipsed 4 times over, 1 or 2 billion isnt much anymore.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Insomniator
ugh

Fine, we're taking old ford explorers off the road and replacing them with focuses. Thats actually great but its not the freakin point.

This is now 3 more BILLION dollars that we just printed out of nowhere. well not nowhere, stolen from taxpayers very soon. But we don't even count anymore, whats a few billion here or there.

Why not just give the automakers 30 billion each and give the cars to us for free? Then tax us at 75%? Hell tax us at 100% and give us food, shelter and clothing allotments.

See thats the thing. Americans are getting desensitized to all this debt. Had this program been started in the Bush years, it would have caused outrage. But now, with the Bush deficits eclipsed 4 times over, 1 or 2 billion isnt much anymore.

Fail on.

 

[Druidx]

Did anyone else find it funny/ironic that the Ford Focus is the top-selling vehicle in the program while 7 of the top 10 clunkers where also Fords.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Insomniator
ugh

Fine, we're taking old ford explorers off the road and replacing them with focuses. Thats actually great but its not the freakin point.

This is now 3 more BILLION dollars that we just printed out of nowhere. well not nowhere, stolen from taxpayers very soon. But we don't even count anymore, whats a few billion here or there.

Why not just give the automakers 30 billion each and give the cars to us for free? Then tax us at 75%? Hell tax us at 100% and give us food, shelter and clothing allotments.

See thats the thing. Americans are getting desensitized to all this debt. Had this program been started in the Bush years, it would have caused outrage. But now, with the Bush deficits eclipsed 4 times over, 1 or 2 billion isnt much anymore.

Fail on.

I see youve assumed the ostrich position. Well done!