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Jaskalas

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I'm surprized there wasn't some kind of barrier(s). Seems like the only barrier was a portable fence.

I may be wrong, someone please correct me if I am.

That's going to be a major new security feature / requirement for all public street / roadside gatherings.
Hell, any pubic event in a park or open /flat area.
 

StinkyPinky

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French president : "Following this, we will show real force and military action in Syria and Iraq."
 
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That's going to be a major new security feature / requirement for all public street / roadside gatherings.
Hell, any pubic event in a park or open /flat area.

We do it in Boston. You're not getting a truck anywhere near the esplanade on the 4th.
This isn't saying you couldn't go after a sidewalk.
 
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Moonbeam

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Trying to get you guys to realize you're doing it wrong.

How so? You don't seem to realize that I am all for destroying enemies of the good mercilessly and without compromise. You have no comprehension at all the sympathy I have for your feelings. I am not a person who has ever complained about the nature and extremity of passion you put in your posts.

But you are a bigot and profoundly emotionally naïve. You're inwardly disturbed and at war within your own being in my opinion. Your masculine bravado and ravings of Kumbaya are a joke to me. I am not offended. In your words I hear emotional pain. I feel sympathy. I know who you are like the back of my hand. You are me but lacking much integration of your femine nurturing side. You don't see that all those terrorists you despise are just your own emotional state amplified. It's why you hate them. You hate who you are, you fear that you are weak. You do not know the limits of rage because you will not feel the rage that I have. You are afraid you will die. I couldn't stop it so I did. All I have left to give you is my hand. Relax and be happy.

A man who is not a woman is not a man. Do not fear love if you can.
 

ALIVE

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French president : "Following this, we will show real force and military action in Syria and Iraq."

and we will accept more refugees in the country???

ISLAM AND WEST
is not compatible
the sooner the west realize it the better

go to saudi arabia and see how peaceful and tolerant is the muslims to non muslims

you are not allowed to take your bible inside saudi arabia because you may try to spread Christianity in the country lol
your bible is but in an envelope and sealed and also is documented that you have one, when you live the country they check if you open the sealed and if you do then god have mercy on you

thats how tolerant they are
and this was from a friend of mine working as a truck driver

you can not be tolerant with the intolerant
pain and simple everything else is suicide

as for the leftist that think i am wrong please go to saudi Arabia for a week
and if you have the same ideas after you return we can have a discussion based on reality not fantasy
 

kage69

Lifer
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What actions have I taken to support ISIS like groups? blah blah blah

I like how posters like you get frothy and indignant about an entire group of people, lumping a variety of viewpoints into one group for easier bashing, but when you are referred to in the same manner, well shit cue the butthurt and outrage.

If you supported Cheney's grand adventure in Iraq, approved of the use of torture, and still speak to justify and defend an administration's agenda that created ISIS at Camp Bucca, then congrats - you helped the powers that be create ISIS. Not a focal role obviously, not intentionally, and nothing bearing responsibility of course, but it's enough to make your sanctimonious talking down to these dreaded "leftists" sound even more pathetic than normal for your kind.

In case you missed it, you guys have a track record on being correct that hardly inspires confidence. If that's a problem for you, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your views.
 

Knowing

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If you supported Cheney's grand adventure in Iraq, approved of the use of torture, and still speak to justify and defend an administration's agenda that created ISIS at Camp Bucca, then congrats - you helped the powers that be create ISIS. Not a focal role obviously, not intentionally, and nothing bearing responsibility of course, but it's enough to make your sanctimonious talking down to these dreaded "leftists" sound even more pathetic than normal for your kind.

Our current administration preserved the use of extraordinary rendition, we just make sure that the countries that we send the unpersons to pinky promise not to torture them. It's basically exactly the same as the old bad policy with a few rhetorical changes for optics.
 

bshole

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If you supported Cheney's grand adventure in Iraq, approved of the use of torture, and still speak to justify and defend an administration's agenda that created ISIS at Camp Bucca, then congrats - you helped the powers that be create ISIS. Not a focal role obviously, not intentionally, and nothing bearing responsibility of course, but it's enough to make your sanctimonious talking down to these dreaded "leftists" sound even more pathetic than normal for your kind.

I supported the adventure in Iraq. I bought the lie. I admit it. I remember arguing with liberals about it and they were right and I was wrong. My worldview has changed drastically because of that intervention. I no longer believe that we can fight ideology with bombs. We have 15 years of failure to prove that. I now support an isolationist stance with regards to the Middle East. I do not believe that we can make anything better there at point of a gun.

I have two nephews that just joined the Air National Guard. I shudder to think of them going into the Middle East meat grinder.
 

bshole

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Our current administration preserved the use of extraordinary rendition, we just make sure that the countries that we send the unpersons to pinky promise not to torture them. It's basically exactly the same as the old bad policy with a few rhetorical changes for optics.

Is that really true? I certainly hope you are incorrect.
 

Knowing

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Is that really true? I certainly hope you are incorrect.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/01/nation/na-rendition1
Under executive orders issued by Obama recently, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/13/us/us-to-revise-bush-policy-on-treatment-of-prisoners.html?_r=1

Most of the torture treaty contains no geographic limitations. But its ban on “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment” that falls short of torture is one of several provisions that apply to a state’s conduct “in any territory under its jurisdiction.” That phrase is ambiguous, and the administration of President George W. Bush took the view that the ban did not apply beyond domestic soil.
The Obama administration, after an internal debate that has drawn global scrutiny, is taking the view that the cruelty ban applies wherever the United States exercises governmental authority, according to officials familiar with the deliberations. That definition, they said, includes the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and American-flagged ships and aircraft in international waters and airspace.
But the administration’s definition still appears to exclude places like the former “black site” prisons where the C.I.A. tortured terrorism suspects during the Bush years, as well as American military detention camps in Afghanistan and Iraq during the wars there. Those prisons were on the sovereign territory of other governments; the government of Cuba exercises no control over Guantánamo.


One of the very first reasons I haven't agreed with practically anything the man has done.
 

kage69

Lifer
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and we will accept more refugees in the country???

ISLAM AND WEST
is not compatible
the sooner the west realize it the better

go to saudi arabia and see how peaceful and tolerant is the muslims to non muslims

you are not allowed to take your bible inside saudi arabia because you may try to spread Christianity in the country lol
your bible is but in an envelope and sealed and also is documented that you have one, when you live the country they check if you open the sealed and if you do then god have mercy on you

thats how tolerant they are
and this was from a friend of mine working as a truck driver

you can not be tolerant with the intolerant
pain and simple everything else is suicide

as for the leftist that think i am wrong please go to saudi Arabia for a week
and if you have the same ideas after you return we can have a discussion based on reality not fantasy

I have a better idea, how about you wrap your head around the fact that the muslim world is more than Sa'udi Arabia, and that the vast majority of muslims on this planet are not Wahabi. Are you aware that Qatar is a Wahabi state as well? That you can take your bible there, that they have a christian church in Doha? This may shock you but not every muslim country has a their own version of the Mutawa'een. I lived in Qatar for years and was always treated with respect and hospitality. A far cry from my years among the hyper-religious evangelicals in the Bible Belt, and I'm an American from a WASP background!

Yeah those Iraqis have sure done a number on Detroit. Cleaning the place up, opening businesses, sending their kids to secular or christian schools...cats and dogs, living together. Chaos!
 

bshole

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I have a better idea, how about you wrap your head around the fact that the muslim world is more than Sa'udi Arabia, and that the vast majority of muslims on this planet are not Wahabi. Are you aware that Qatar is a Wahabi state as well? That you can take your bible there, that they have a christian church in Doha? This may shock you but not every muslim country has a their own version of the Mutawa'een. I lived in Qatar for years and was always treated with respect and hospitality. A far cry from my years among the hyper-religious evangelicals in the Bible Belt, and I'm an American from a WASP background!

Yeah those Iraqis have sure done a number on Detroit. Cleaning the place up, opening businesses, sending their kids to secular or christian schools...cats and dogs, living together. Chaos!

More on Qatar from wikipedia:

In June 2014, a Muslim expatriate was sentenced to 40 lashes for consuming alcohol and driving under the influence. Judicial corporal punishment is common in Qatar due to the Hanbali interpretation of Sharia Law. Stoning is a legal punishment in Qatar. Apostasy is a crime punishable by the death penalty in Qatar.

Sharia law is the main source of Qatari legislation according to Qatar's Constitution.[96][97] In practice, Qatar's legal system is a mixture of civil law and Sharia law.[98][99] Sharia law is applied to laws pertaining to family law, inheritance, and several criminal acts (including adultery, robbery and murder). In some cases in Sharia-based family courts, a female's testimony is worth half a man's.[100] Codified family law was introduced in 2006. Islamic polygamy is allowed in the country.[77]

Lets be clear here, their government is run by a nonexistent fairy in the sky and women are no more than chattel.

I am happy you were treated nice while living under a theocracy. However, as an atheist that is the last place I would want to live.
 
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master_shake_

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More on Qatar from wikipedia:





Lets be clear here, their government is run by a nonexistent fairy in the sky and women are no more than chattel.

I am happy you were treated nice while living under a theocracy. However, as an atheist that is the last place I would want to live.

this is what justice looks like.

when it's wrapped up in crazy.
 

brycejones

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Possible confirmation attacker is jihadi... Police found papers of a French Tunisian, witnesses heard shouting "Allahu Akbar!"

Which as a French Tunisian would kind of kill the whole because refugees tack that was taken early in this thread. But it all sounds thin right now. Give it another 48-72 hours to shake out.
 

ALIVE

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I have a better idea, how about you wrap your head around the fact that the muslim world is more than Sa'udi Arabia, and that the vast majority of muslims on this planet are not Wahabi. Are you aware that Qatar is a Wahabi state as well? That you can take your bible there, that they have a christian church in Doha? This may shock you but not every muslim country has a their own version of the Mutawa'een. I lived in Qatar for years and was always treated with respect and hospitality. A far cry from my years among the hyper-religious evangelicals in the Bible Belt, and I'm an American from a WASP background!

Yeah those Iraqis have sure done a number on Detroit. Cleaning the place up, opening businesses, sending their kids to secular or christian schools...cats and dogs, living together. Chaos!

again lets ignore the problem
lets ignore the face of islam and keep in our fantasy world

and maroco is islamic but because of the tourist and being an ex colony is different than saudi arabia. gee the turks that try to have a more civilized country and more western oriented the men shave and they also consume alcohol. but thats the army trying to enforce the law over the clerics
and now that erdogan is elected president in turkey and the generals were sent to prison the clerks won this roudn in turkey and guess what now turkey swifter more to fundamentalism than in the past.

there are 2 islamic countries
the real ones and the artificial ones

lets see iraq during santam regime. because iraq is divided the population is muslim but between the 2 different factions they fight and kill each other. so santam as a true dictator he wanted stability so he could no use religion to stabilize the country so he use the laws and the policy laws first religion second. and how was iraq then???? women were western clothes, went out, went to school, men drink alcohol.

where is iraq now that this artificial pressure was removed???
HOLY SHIT IN IRAQ

how was iran??? and how is iran now??? arresting 4 young people for posting a video on youtube because the 2 women show their faces in the internet.

and wait thats pure islamic countries
lets talk about isis a big portion of the fighters are 2nd or 3rd generation muslims from europe, that left the west to fight the peace in middle east beheading people

in my country in the news they saw us the videos from isis
and from one of them there was a person from holland you said
i had a big car, a jet ski, but that was no life, ckeck my car truck, he had some bodies. that life now, god is great.
 

ALIVE

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I have a better idea, how about you wrap your head around the fact that the muslim world is more than Sa'udi Arabia, and that the vast majority of muslims on this planet are not Wahabi. Are you aware that Qatar is a Wahabi state as well? That you can take your bible there, that they have a christian church in Doha? This may shock you but not every muslim country has a their own version of the Mutawa'een. I lived in Qatar for years and was always treated with respect and hospitality. A far cry from my years among the hyper-religious evangelicals in the Bible Belt, and I'm an American from a WASP background!

Yeah those Iraqis have sure done a number on Detroit. Cleaning the place up, opening businesses, sending their kids to secular or christian schools...cats and dogs, living together. Chaos!

in egypt there is a small minority of Christians
which is targeted and the women is raped
the rapes are not reported and you know why???
because according to islam even if it a gang rape to a woman if the woman is a non muslim, and 1 of the men that raped her accepts to marry her, then the issue ends there. the women is married to the rapist. and the best think the rape is also considered to be her transformation to muslim religion also. from now she is considered muslim

EGYPT such a tolerant place??? which Christian temples and bla bla bla

great justice you get raped and you marry the rapist
 

bshole

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Alive,

A lot of your opinion is being lost in translation. I can sort of see what you are trying to say but it is really difficult due to the language barrier. I take it English is not your first language?
 

kage69

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Our current administration preserved the use of extraordinary rendition, we just make sure that the countries that we send the unpersons to pinky promise not to torture them. It's basically exactly the same as the old bad policy with a few rhetorical changes for optics.


I'm aware. Check out some of the earlier threads on torture here if you have any concerns about my current views on the subject. I think you'll find the above does not conflict with anything I've posted here.

If you were making the assumption I was defending Obama because I enjoy taking Cheney and Co. to task, well, there's a saying about assumptions that would seem to apply here then.
 

DucatiMonster696

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I like how posters like you get frothy and indignant about an entire group of people, lumping a variety of viewpoints into one group for easier bashing, but when you are referred to in the same manner, well shit cue the butthurt and outrage.

If you supported Cheney's grand adventure in Iraq, approved of the use of torture, and still speak to justify and defend an administration's agenda that created ISIS at Camp Bucca, then congrats - you helped the powers that be create ISIS. Not a focal role obviously, not intentionally, and nothing bearing responsibility of course, but it's enough to make your sanctimonious talking down to these dreaded "leftists" sound even more pathetic than normal for your kind.

In case you missed it, you guys have a track record on being correct that hardly inspires confidence. If that's a problem for you, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your views.

I love how dishonest cucks like you cut out the rest my post and blathered on making up complete fabrications to justify your complete stupidity on the issue. It's like you cucks can't get past your desire to deflect and redirect to ignore the fucking reality of what just occurred. You can't get past you own made up bullshit grievances to understand what is happening around you and or understand why your bullshit narrative falls apart over time as reality sets in to unmask it as a blatant lie, a complete fantasy to the spotlight of current events.
 
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ALIVE

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Alive,

A lot of your opinion is being lost in translation. I can sort of see what you are trying to say but it is really difficult due to the language barrier. I take it English is not your first language?

the fun is for english people, i speak very well
only for americans there seem to be a problem

so given the language is more or less the same
i bet the problem is the culture difference between europe and usa

but if you do not understand a point out the line
and i will try to rewrite it
 

Londo_Jowo

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I have a better idea, how about you wrap your head around the fact that the muslim world is more than Sa'udi Arabia, and that the vast majority of muslims on this planet are not Wahabi. Are you aware that Qatar is a Wahabi state as well? That you can take your bible there, that they have a christian church in Doha? This may shock you but not every muslim country has a their own version of the Mutawa'een. I lived in Qatar for years and was always treated with respect and hospitality. A far cry from my years among the hyper-religious evangelicals in the Bible Belt, and I'm an American from a WASP background!

Yeah those Iraqis have sure done a number on Detroit. Cleaning the place up, opening businesses, sending their kids to secular or christian schools...cats and dogs, living together. Chaos!

I have similar experiences working in Southeast Asian Muslim countries. The vast majority of Muslims I've met are no different than Americans (Christians) with the exception of praying 5 times a day and fasting 1 month of the year. They work hard to provide for their families, try to live with high moral standards, and don't support the actions of the radicals. Most that I know do not support Sharia Law as well.
 
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