Bigots United . . .

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I will.But you still have not said anything that increased numbers is good for average american. Also I think we are moving right. Unions and labor orgs are weaker than ever, people seem satisfied with thier lot or maybe just powerless to change it, so any change seems wishful at best. My feeling is we are moving to a plotical and labor system like mexico which is the opposite direction you may be wishing for.

The mans ideas and actions speak for themselves, like I said we are heading down the wrong path, but we all know this. Kill the unions and the free market will always bypass the system for cheap slave labor, I provide a soloution here, and one that is proven to work. I have no control over the government to learn from our mistakes of leaving behind what he taught us flooding us with undocumented workers, I don't like the direction we are going either. But for us to remain solvent (if that is even possible still) the Mexicans organized pulling themselves up the ladder of american workforce is the way it can be done, has been done. That is unless the corporations have their way again, but we have a good oppurtunity, actually it's a great one, a blessing in disguise you could say, but if we will reach out and take it is still left unknown.

We can hate on them and call them illegal human trash and less then citizen refugees or take advantage and make america stronger, keep SS afloat for our old age and keep our population up. If someone wants to say I am wrong feel free to point out how so.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Zebo
I will.But you still have not said anything that increased numbers is good for average american. Also I think we are moving right. Unions and labor orgs are weaker than ever, people seem satisfied with thier lot or maybe just powerless to change it, so any change seems wishful at best. My feeling is we are moving to a plotical and labor system like mexico which is the opposite direction you may be wishing for.

The mans ideas and actions speak for themselves, like I said we are heading down the wrong path, but we all know this. Kill the unions and the free market will always bypass the system for cheap slave labor, I provide a soloution here, and one that is proven to work. I have no control over the government to learn from our mistakes of leaving behind what he taught us flooding us with undocumented workers, I don't like the direction we are going either. But for us to remain solvent (if that is even possible still) the Mexicans organized pulling themselves up the ladder of american workforce is the way it can be done, has been done. That is unless the corporations have their way again, but we have a good oppurtunity, actually it's a great one, a blessing in disguise you could say, but if we will reach out and take it is still left unknown.

My dad makes 60,000 a year and isn't part of a Union. Nope...just a good ol' conservative propane selling outfit!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Zebo
I will.But you still have not said anything that increased numbers is good for average american. Also I think we are moving right. Unions and labor orgs are weaker than ever, people seem satisfied with thier lot or maybe just powerless to change it, so any change seems wishful at best. My feeling is we are moving to a plotical and labor system like mexico which is the opposite direction you may be wishing for.

The mans ideas and actions speak for themselves, like I said we are heading down the wrong path, but we all know this. Kill the unions and the free market will always bypass the system for cheap slave labor, I provide a soloution here, and one that is proven to work. I have no control over the government to learn from our mistakes of leaving behind what he taught us flooding us with undocumented workers, I don't like the direction we are going either. But for us to remain solvent (if that is even possible still) the Mexicans organized pulling themselves up the ladder of american workforce is the way it can be done, has been done. That is unless the corporations have their way again, but we have a good oppurtunity, actually it's a great one, a blessing in disguise you could say, but if we will reach out and take it is still left unknown.

My dad makes 60,000 a year and isn't part of a Union. Nope...just a good ol' conservative propane selling outfit!

He is a buisness owner? What does this have to do with what I was saying. :roll:

Please, lets keep the discussion at a IQ level a bit higher then king of the hill ok?

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Zebo
I will.But you still have not said anything that increased numbers is good for average american. Also I think we are moving right. Unions and labor orgs are weaker than ever, people seem satisfied with thier lot or maybe just powerless to change it, so any change seems wishful at best. My feeling is we are moving to a plotical and labor system like mexico which is the opposite direction you may be wishing for.

The mans ideas and actions speak for themselves, like I said we are heading down the wrong path, but we all know this. Kill the unions and the free market will always bypass the system for cheap slave labor, I provide a soloution here, and one that is proven to work. I have no control over the government to learn from our mistakes of leaving behind what he taught us flooding us with undocumented workers, I don't like the direction we are going either. But for us to remain solvent (if that is even possible still) the Mexicans organized pulling themselves up the ladder of american workforce is the way it can be done, has been done. That is unless the corporations have their way again, but we have a good oppurtunity, actually it's a great one, a blessing in disguise you could say, but if we will reach out and take it is still left unknown.

My dad makes 60,000 a year and isn't part of a Union. Nope...just a good ol' conservative propane selling outfit!

He is a buisness owner?

Nope...He works for the owner as a representative and salesman.

The only unions around here are either too small to make a difference (there are seriously unions representing people who make less than a dollar an hour over minimum wage with union dues every month), part of government jobs (the ones that nobody notices because they can continue to milk the neverending supply of tax dollars to pay government employees and give them ridiculous health coverage), or are completely ruining a good business/industry (such as alcoa).

My point is that without Unions people can make a fair salary. I don't know what kind of jobs you're talking about. If you think Wal-Mart employees deserve more an hour for doing easy work that requires no education or training then there's no hope for your dream economy.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Nope...just a good ol' conservative propane selling outfit!

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Nope...He works for the owner as a representative and salesman.

Bobby, is that you?

 

[exdeath]

All I have to say is get here legally, speak English or at least show eagerness to learn, pay taxes, get car insurance and stop the hit and run sh1t, quit littering bud light cans wherever you happen to be standing, and try feeding your family instead of buying those gold spinners. I'm tired of my pay check getting raped in taxes to subsidize illegal's incomes so they have more money to spend on "bling". And I am tired of having higher auto insurance rates in AZ than the rest of the country because of the border proximity, that should tell you something (ie: theft and hit and run claims).

The point of coming here is to have the opportunity to become something better. LEAVE THE DAMN BARRIOS AND GHETTOS WHERE YOU CAME FROM!

And if you raise a Mexican flag in my neighborhood I will promptly take aim at you because last I knew raising a foreign flag on another country's soil and flag pole is symbolic for conquering. (see La Raza, Reconquista, Aztlan, etc)

And yes it is a MEXICAN problem and it has nothing to do with race. When is the last time you saw immigrants hoisting Chinese, Polish, German, or African flags in America? Immigrants from every corner of the world kiss the ground when they get here and would wipe their a55 with their home country?s flag? all except Mexico. When blacks marched for civil rights they were Americans, they weren?t chanting anti-American slurs and carrying African flags.

One of numerous reasons they want to be here illegally is because they can get paid under the table and don?t have to pay taxes, in addition they have no reported income so they can get on government services as well. No wonder you see Mexicans in brand new Escalades with gold rims and 12 kids parked outside the DES office (I sh1t you not).

When is the last time you saw someone from Scottland or New Zealand doing twice the speed limit and acting above all traffic controls in a lifted truck with gold 50? rims and altezza?s throwing bud light cans out the window? Daily sight here in Tucson, Arizona, and you don?t need to guess where they are from (hint: see the brown tattooed arm hanging out the window and the Mexican flag bumper sticker).

What I worry about more than ?illegals? are the offspring of previous generation ?illegals? that draw the same animosity that ?illegals? do but slip under the radar because they are citizens by technicality; they execute the same agenda as the ?illegals?; chances are last time anybody saw any of the above behavior and thought to themselves "damn illegals" they were probably US citizens!! Thats far worse than anyone crossing in illegally...

As far as crappy jobs go, get rid of the government tit and the able bodied white trash of America on welfare and alcoholism disability will have to get off their lazy butts and pick vegetables if they want to pay for their satellite TV and big screen.

That said I welcome immigrants from all over the world. But the majority of people here from Mexico, esp. those here illegally, are not like the immigrants from elsewhere in the world.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: exdeath
And if you raise a Mexican flag in my neighborhood I will promptly take aim at you because last I knew raising a foreign flag on another country's soil and flag pole is symbolic for conquering.

I can think of at least 3 homes within 2 miles of my house with American flags hoisted high in the front yard. They have been there even longer then the Iraq war has been going on, so it's not even a support the boys at war thing. I had assumed they were proud American families here working for Canadian/American companies. Good thing most folks around here don't have the same attitude you have

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: exdeath
And if you raise a Mexican flag in my neighborhood I will promptly take aim at you because last I knew raising a foreign flag on another country's soil and flag pole is symbolic for conquering.

I can think of at least 3 homes within 2 miles of my house with American flags hoisted high in the front yard. They have been there even longer then the Iraq war has been going on, so it's not even a support the boys at war thing. I had assumed they were proud American families here working for Canadian/American companies. Good thing most folks around here don't have the same attitude you have

It's more to do with the attitude and intentions of the person doing it. I just can't see people living in Canada raising American flags in aggression, hatred, and ill will as many Mexicans do in the SouthWest US with their Mexican flags... of course I don't know what goes on at the Canadian border so I will limit my observations to the Mexican border.

What people do on their own property is their own business (that is if it IS their property and they are citizens), I should have been more specific and refered to the cases of hispanics removing American flags off flag poles in schools and public places and either burning the American flag or hanging it upside down
below a Mexican flag.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

I am hispanic and from Honduras. It was really hard for me to get here legally so I am against illegal immigration. Central American countried are not in total disarray like Haiti. No one has the right to be rich or be well off.

 

[wazzledoozle]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: exdeath
And if you raise a Mexican flag in my neighborhood I will promptly take aim at you because last I knew raising a foreign flag on another country's soil and flag pole is symbolic for conquering.

I can think of at least 3 homes within 2 miles of my house with American flags hoisted high in the front yard. They have been there even longer then the Iraq war has been going on, so it's not even a support the boys at war thing. I had assumed they were proud American families here working for Canadian/American companies. Good thing most folks around here don't have the same attitude you have

It's more to do with the attitude and intentions of the person doing it. I just can't see people living in Canada raising American flags in aggression, hatred, and ill will as many Mexicans do in the SouthWest US with their Mexican flags... of course I don't know what goes on at the Canadian border so I will limit my observations to the Mexican border.

What people do on their own property is their own business (that is if it IS their property and they are citizens), I should have been more specific and refered to the cases of hispanics removing American flags off flag poles in schools and public places and either burning the American flag or hanging it upside down
below a Mexican flag.

exdeath is being a little extreme methinks, but ive seen things like what he is describing. In my area there is a large population of hispanics (no im not saying they are illegal), and its just strange how they stick within their own groups.

During a school assembly, in the middle of the national anthem, a few groups of kids unfurled big mexican flags (yes more than one) from the upper levels of the gym. It was pretty ****** up, im not sure what happened to them..

There are a lot of people who originated from other countries here (seattle). People of asian descent have assimilated well, and they started immigrating heavily in the 1980's. On the other hand, Mexico has been there since the start of this country, and there has pretty much always been a hispanic population. It just seems a lot of them are not willing to take the effort to assimilate, and although cultural diversity is important we shouldnt destroy America's culture of "blending of cultures" so one can exist outside of it.

I am all for legal immigration from any country, as people who go through the immigration process get background checks and injected into our economic system on a fair ground with government support. People say illegals are taking "jobs we dont want", I dont agree with that. We dont want the jobs because they pay under the table, below minimum wage, and with no insurance or guarantee of even being paid. This almost creates a semi-slave working class, and the more people who are willing to do the work, the more corrupt heads of companies are willing to hire them and take away the opportunity from legal citizens.

We should fence the border of Mexico and Canada. Even though Canada does not produce as much of an immigration problem because their population is mostly satisfied where they are, as soon as we fence the Mexican border people sneakling in from over seas would take advantage of an open Canadian border.

 

[exdeath]

A fence won?t do any good; they will just destroy it and vandalize it like they do everything else. It's a locust mentality to consume and destroy and do what feels good and do what is immediately beneficial to them recklessly and without regard to law and order or consequence, and its quite unlike any other nationality of immigrants.

We need to address the incentives for coming here illegally.

If it's to leech benefits, stop handing out benefits.

If it's to drive around without insurance, start busting them and impounding cars.

If it's because they think they are taking part in a revolution to re-conquer the SouthWest, kill them and all the offspring they are contributing to "the cause"

(fact: numerous sources including past and present Mexican presidents have been cited confirming the fact that factions of Mexico desire to retake the SW US by sheer numbers alone without firing a single shot simply by outbreeding every other ethnic group; esp by using anchor babies such that they can make instant citizens which can vote and get into political offices, etc.)

The only reason they should be here is to get out of their third world hole and become Americans and pursue the "American Dream" of life, liberty, and happiness, just like everyone else who came here before them.

And while thats fine and well it shouldn't be on everyone else's dime it should be on the backs of their own labor.

And please drop the "they come here to take the jobs" crap. The ones that are working hard and making an honest living are probably not the ones I'm describing anyway.
There are far more dangerous hispanic factions coming into this country than workers.

 

[lockheed2266]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Nothing wrong with protecting your interests against criminals...


Illegals "Are" criminals.

Crim-Aliens to be exact. Completely agree, AHHH, this topic makes me so angry than none of the fat socialist slobs in the senate DO NOTHING about it. I cant continue, it will go on forever.

 

[raildogg]

These damn Southerners and their protective thinking! Why do we have borders at all? We should get rid of our borders, let the UN take over our country, change the name to United States of Mexico and we will all live happily.

There are preschools now in America that teach only spanish. It is against the school's policy to speak english.

We should learn spanish as well before we get in trouble ...

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: raildogg
These damn Southerners and their protective thinking! Why do we have borders at all? We should get rid of our borders, let the UN take over our country, change the name to United States of Mexico and we will all live happily.

There are preschools now in America that teach only spanish. It is against the school's policy to speak english.

We should learn spanish as well before we get in trouble ...

Uh no?

I will learn Spanish before I set foot in Mexico, not a moment sooner. When you go to a foreign country you respect and follow their ways, you don?t force yours upon the natives.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: raildogg
These damn Southerners and their protective thinking! Why do we have borders at all? We should get rid of our borders, let the UN take over our country, change the name to United States of Mexico and we will all live happily.

There are preschools now in America that teach only spanish. It is against the school's policy to speak english.

We should learn spanish as well before we get in trouble ...

Uh no?

I will learn Spanish before I set foot in Mexico, not a moment sooner. When you go to a foreign country you respect and follow their ways, you don?t force yours upon the natives.

So what native american languages you speak? :laugh:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: raildogg
These damn Southerners and their protective thinking! Why do we have borders at all? We should get rid of our borders, let the UN take over our country, change the name to United States of Mexico and we will all live happily.

There are preschools now in America that teach only spanish. It is against the school's policy to speak english.

We should learn spanish as well before we get in trouble ...

Uh no?

I will learn Spanish before I set foot in Mexico, not a moment sooner. When you go to a foreign country you respect and follow their ways, you don?t force yours upon the natives.

So what native american languages you speak? :laugh:

And you speak them all, right!! :laugh:

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit


And you speak them all, right!! :laugh:

I am not the bigot calling for everyone but my elitest tribe to leave though.

Besides americans should know spanish, most other "educated " countries are multi-lingual.

To not know the language of millions of our neighbors is plain ignorant, and it shows in some peoples views.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit


And you speak them all, right!! :laugh:

I am not the bigot calling for everyone but my elitest tribe to leave though.

No, your the bigot who doesn't practice what he preaches.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit


And you speak them all, right!! :laugh:

I am not the bigot calling for everyone but my elitest tribe to leave though.

No, your the bigot who doesn't practice what he preaches.

Sure, I tell ya what, I am down for deporting, lets deport the bigots and racists who can't deal with being an american first back to europe, sound fair?

Then we can decide what to do with the highly motivated natives from here.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit


And you speak them all, right!! :laugh:

I am not the bigot calling for everyone but my elitest tribe to leave though.

No, your the bigot who doesn't practice what he preaches.

Sure, I tell ya what, I am down for deporting, lets deport the bigots and racists who can't deal with being an american first back to europe, sound fair?

Then we can decide what to do with the highly motivated natives from here.

Yeah, let's start with the ones who haven't bothered to learn English.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Yeah, let's start with the ones who haven't bothered to learn English.

Ok, you obviously don't get it, go back to listening to neocons like lou dobbs tell you your so right to be a elitist now that your ancestors squatted this country first illegally. :roll:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Yeah, let's start with the ones who haven't bothered to learn English.

Ok, you obviously don't get it, go back to listening to neocons like lou dobbs tell you your so right to be a elitist now that your ancestors squatted this country first illegally. :roll:

Actually your the one who "don't get it".

Yeah, we did take over this country but I can't change that now, nor would I if I could. Would you?? Answer that question please. Are you willing to hand everything you own over to the native americans to fix the injustice we did to them?

My "evil ancestors" learned English BEFORE they came. I believe a common language is the bond that makes the melting pot work. Keep all of your home culture you like, just learn the language the rest of us speak instead of expecting us to provide all our services to you in your language.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Keep dreaming palehorse, people know why and see right through it.

Keep drinking that "illegal" kool-aid to try to cover it up, its you who is drunk and the world shakes its head in pity at the backwardness shown once again by this historiclly very racist country.

This is a age old problem, but it is very sad how it is framed, and shows sooo transparently what is behind it. No one even tried a rational arguement, just a straight out attack on millions of familys rallying the worst of america, its a scapegoat tactic and a modern lynchfest.

Another black mark in american history that few will even bother to read about in reality.

What is your rational argument?

Already been discussed a million times in these immigration threads, I have no interest in repeating myself to a bunch of lou dobbs racism pandering wingnuts in here.

You have zero valid points other than "We don't like your rules".

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Yeah, let's start with the ones who haven't bothered to learn English.

Ok, you obviously don't get it, go back to listening to neocons like lou dobbs tell you your so right to be a elitist now that your ancestors squatted this country first illegally. :roll:

Actually your the one who "don't get it".

Yeah, we did take over this country but I can't change that now, nor would I if I could. Would you?? Answer that question please. Are you willing to hand everything you own over to the native americans to fix the injustice we did to them?

My "evil ancestors" learned English BEFORE they came. I believe a common language is the bond that makes the melting pot work. Keep all of your home culture you like, just learn the language the rest of us speak instead of expecting us to provide all our services to you in your language.

Some seem to forget the ancestors of these illegal immigrants came to the new world and took it by force and killed those that stood in their way. The Spanish and Portuguese killed tens of millions of the native people and started the African slave trade.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Yeah, let's start with the ones who haven't bothered to learn English.

Ok, you obviously don't get it, go back to listening to neocons like lou dobbs tell you your so right to be a elitist now that your ancestors squatted this country first illegally. :roll:

Actually your the one who "don't get it".

Yeah, we did take over this country but I can't change that now, nor would I if I could. Would you?? Answer that question please. Are you willing to hand everything you own over to the native americans to fix the injustice we did to them?

My "evil ancestors" learned English BEFORE they came. I believe a common language is the bond that makes the melting pot work. Keep all of your home culture you like, just learn the language the rest of us speak instead of expecting us to provide all our services to you in your language.

Some seem to forget the ancestors of these illegal immigrants came to the new world and took it by force and killed those that stood in their way. The Spanish and Portuguese killed tens of millions of the native people and started the African slave trade.

Yes, but the big difference between them and the protestant invaders is they joined with them interbreeding and starting families to work together in the new world, while we still scapegoat them and look on them as intruders to our almighty white empire we stole by force.