Bigots United . . .

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: ExpertNovice

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

God lord, what in the hell is wrong with this country? Pinheads everywhere are embracing the mentality of the Klan,
it's the GOP Southern Strategy at work.

I have no idea. It is hard to believe that people such as Augustin Cebada can get away with there brazen racist comments. I do, however, think they are not a part of the Clan or Republican. As with most outspoken racists (racists exist on both sides of the fence) they are probably in full support of the Democrat party.

"Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future.
You are old and tired. Leave like beaten rats, you old white people.
It is your duty to die... We are going to take over."

--Augustin Cebada, a Brown Beret protestor,
demanding amnesty for illegal aliens

Guess they are going to try and do to us what they did to the Indians, Incas, and Aztecs.

Here we go again with the cluelessness, the poor of mexico ARE the natives, the spanish decended are the corrupt rulers with the money who made their situation so bad to come here.

This kind of knowledge you all lack makes me sick as you try to judge people as if you have ANY clue about what is going on.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
80,000 Illegal criminal aliens abound in U.S.

U.S. Deported Record Number of Criminal, Illegal Aliens in 2004

Border Patrol gets bigger and bigger, but catch fewer and fewer

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

From here on out, ANYONE who plays the race card needs to dig up some facts before they start spewing crap out of their mouth.]


I got your race card . . right here . . . Trump

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
the illegals

You have no idea who they are, what their demographics are, what their motivations are, why they are or aren't here. You just have some vague idea of the boogeyman conjured from things you remember reading, from images you might've seen on tv, from things you've heard and frankly from things you've made up.

That's why we need tighter controls on the ILLEGAL immigration problem.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
the illegals

You have no idea who they are, what their demographics are, what their motivations are, why they are or aren't here. You just have some vague idea of the boogeyman conjured from things you remember reading, from images you might've seen on tv, from things you've heard and frankly from things you've made up.

That's why we need tighter controls on the ILLEGAL immigration problem.

How about you go down and volunteer for your local latino community center, teach kids english, read to them, help their parents somehow, that would be a great way for you to get to know them and see there is no boogeyman after you.

They have been through enough coming here and being used by our system, last thing they need is a bunch of ignorant twits blaming them for everything under the sun that the tv or hate radio shock jocks tell them.

Rise above the bs and be a american for once people.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Yeah, let's start with the ones who haven't bothered to learn English.

Ok, you obviously don't get it, go back to listening to neocons like lou dobbs tell you your so right to be a elitist now that your ancestors squatted this country first illegally. :roll:

Quit digging up the past.

There isn't a country on this planet that wasn't conquered or trampled over at one point or another.

I for one won't allow it to happen here, again.

Native Americans are the only ones with a right to complain about "stolen land".
Most of the land that the Mexicans dispute was either conquered in a mutual war (in which it is understand that territory can be occupied or lost) or purchased. The have no right to whine about it and they are more than welcome to a rematch (since I assume refunds on the purchased parts are out of the question)

You like to compare Mexicans invading the US with the European conquest of the Native Americans. The natives fought back and resisted (even if they were defeated). Now we are here instead of the natives, and we will fight foreign invasion just as the natives did; it's quite natural for people to defend their home land even if they are perceived as the enemy (ie: Afghanistan, Iraq).

So let?s make it an official war and get the party started.

Personally I won't worry about the Mexicans right away; I will start with picking off the politically correct pukes that have caused most of our problems to begin with by inhibiting proper political action.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Yeah, let's start with the ones who haven't bothered to learn English.

Ok, you obviously don't get it, go back to listening to neocons like lou dobbs tell you your so right to be a elitist now that your ancestors squatted this country first illegally. :roll:

Quit digging up the past.

There isn't a country on this planet that wasn't conquered or trampled over at one point or another.

I for one won't allow it to happen here, again.

Native Americans are the only ones with a right to complain about "stolen land".
Most of the land that the Mexicans dispute was either conquered in a mutual war (in which it is understand that territory can be occupied or lost) or purchased. The have no right to whine about it and they are more than welcome to a rematch (since I assume refunds on the purchased parts are out of the question)

You like to compare Mexicans invading the US with the European conquest of the Native Americans. The natives fought back and resisted (even if they were defeated). Now we are here instead of the natives, and we will fight foreign invasion just as the natives did; it's quite natural for people to defend their home land even if they are perceived as the enemy (ie: Afghanistan, Iraq).

So let?s make it an official war and get the party started.

Personally I won't worry about the Mexicans right away; I will start with picking off the politically correct pukes that have caused most of our problems to begin with by inhibiting proper political action.

Yeah, and being a rambo idiot sure gets anything done. Good job on these wars with the "evil muslim"...

All ready for another round? So which brown skinned people next?

Go take your medicine you tim mc veigh wingnut.

Why bother chasing down taliban across the world when we have our own whackos like this one here is what I want to know.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And you can't change the fact they are here already with their families, so what is the point in making a big stink over people migrating here?
The question is are you willing to give up everything to the native americans to uphold your double standard? If not then quit crying over historical spilled milk and lets get them legit and productive and stop using them as scapegoats.

It is our sleazy profiteering government that encouraged them to come over, it is our cheapskate buisnesses that took them in to save a quick buck, it is all of our fault for buying the products and services for less money. It is now all our problem to make sure they become as equal as us now and end the tyranny, OR you can keep stirring the racism pot and they will always resent us never assimilating, maybe a race war someday. A police state neocon dream. Then they can lock up whoever and have us all work for free.

If they want to be "equal" they can learn English.

That is just the problem, a lot of them don't want to be equal, and they want to take under the table pay and government handouts so they have more money to spend on beer and gold rims. If they were legal they would have ID and an address which means they couldn't hit and run people without car insurance without getting busted. If they were legal they would be included under employment regulations and maybe *gasp* have to pay $100 a month for medical insurance instead of relying on free ER care that I have to pay for.

Everyone seems to dodge the real problems by focusing on "jobs" and "cheap labor" and "immigration".

Obviously the people coming here to work and make something for their families and become "equals" as fellow Americans are NOT the problem.

The only way we can start to address the real problems stemming from illegal immigration, without being unfair to legit "want to be American" immigrants with politically correct blanket policies, is when people like you wake up and recognize the real problems associated with illegal immigration and acknowledge that there is more to it than just "the poor farmer who wants to make a buck."

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Yeah, let's start with the ones who haven't bothered to learn English.

Ok, you obviously don't get it, go back to listening to neocons like lou dobbs tell you your so right to be a elitist now that your ancestors squatted this country first illegally. :roll:

Quit digging up the past.

There isn't a country on this planet that wasn't conquered or trampled over at one point or another.

I for one won't allow it to happen here, again.

Native Americans are the only ones with a right to complain about "stolen land".
Most of the land that the Mexicans dispute was either conquered in a mutual war (in which it is understand that territory can be occupied or lost) or purchased. The have no right to whine about it and they are more than welcome to a rematch (since I assume refunds on the purchased parts are out of the question)

You like to compare Mexicans invading the US with the European conquest of the Native Americans. The natives fought back and resisted (even if they were defeated). Now we are here instead of the natives, and we will fight foreign invasion just as the natives did; it's quite natural for people to defend their home land even if they are perceived as the enemy (ie: Afghanistan, Iraq).

So let?s make it an official war and get the party started.

Personally I won't worry about the Mexicans right away; I will start with picking off the politically correct pukes that have caused most of our problems to begin with by inhibiting proper political action.

Yeah, and being a rambo idiot sure gets anything done. Good job on these wars with the "evil muslim"...

All ready for another round? So which brown skinned people next?

Go take your medicine you tim mc veigh wingnut.

Why bother chasing down taliban across the world when we have our own whackos like this one here is what I want to know.

That's funny, you replied, but you're missing an entire reply/rebuttal to the post you quoted and replied to.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: exdeath
[snip]
That is just the problem, a lot of them don't want to be equal, and they
[snip]

You have no idea who "they" are, what their demographics are, what their motivations are, why they are or aren't here. You just have some vague idea of the boogeyman conjured from things you remember reading, from images you might've seen on tv, from things you've heard, maybe a few people you've seen and frankly from things you've made up.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And you can't change the fact they are here already with their families, so what is the point in making a big stink over people migrating here?
The question is are you willing to give up everything to the native americans to uphold your double standard? If not then quit crying over historical spilled milk and lets get them legit and productive and stop using them as scapegoats.

It is our sleazy profiteering government that encouraged them to come over, it is our cheapskate buisnesses that took them in to save a quick buck, it is all of our fault for buying the products and services for less money. It is now all our problem to make sure they become as equal as us now and end the tyranny, OR you can keep stirring the racism pot and they will always resent us never assimilating, maybe a race war someday. A police state neocon dream. Then they can lock up whoever and have us all work for free.

Yes, it was our sleazy govt (and Mexico's)that encouraged them to come over, and it was our businesses that gave them jobs, and it is our fault for buying the products and services for less money. It is now our problem, and the solution is to fix the problem by securing the borders, fining employers and deporting the illegals, not throwing up our hands in surrender.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
They

Who are "they"? What are their demographics? Desires? Motivations? Who the heck are you talking about? There are hundreds of millions of people in this country, some classifiable under certain laws...but is that as far as you can get? "Illegal" does not define them...so who are they?

This entire discussion is pretty meaningless because people keep talking about "them" when "them" seems to be as real as a mob in a movie.

 

[Jmman]

Well, there is no practical way to deport 15 million people, so anyone advocating that stance is not thinking rationally. That being said, I do not think that until the borders are secure any amnesty program should be put in place. I think we need to secure the border with increased border patrols, electronic surveillance, whatever it takes. I also think that we need to have an electronic system that can immediately check the validity of a social security number and make it a criminal penalty(jail time) for hiring an illegal immigrant. The majority of illegal aliens are not working for wages under the table, they are simply using a fake social security card that can be purchased for $10. Employers do not check whether it is valid and furthermore the law exempts them from any penalty if the card simply "appears" valid. Once these changes are put in place, then maybe an amnesty program for illegals already here make sense. And by the way my wife is from Mexico so don't give me this racist crap.....

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, there is no practical way to deport 15 million people, so anyone advocating that stance is not thinking rationally. That being said, I do not think that until the borders are secure any amnesty program should be put in place. I think we need to secure the border with increased border patrols, electronic surveillance, whatever it takes. I also think that we need to have an electronic system that can immediately check the validity of a social security number and make it a criminal penalty(jail time) for hiring an illegal immigrant. The majority of illegal aliens are not working for wages under the table, but using a fake social security card that can be purchased for $10. Employers do not check whether it is valid and furthermore the law exempts them from any penalty if the card simply "appears" valid. Once these changes are put in place, then maybe an amnesty program for illegals already here make sense. And by the way my wife is from Mexico so don't give me this racist crap.....

Noone is saying those wanting accountability are racist, the immigrants want accountability also to not be screwed over anymore.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
80,000 Illegal criminal aliens abound in U.S.

U.S. Deported Record Number of Criminal, Illegal Aliens in 2004

Border Patrol gets bigger and bigger, but catch fewer and fewer

So your saying we need to make the Border Patrol even bigger AND criminalize the employment of illegals?

Works for me. While were at it we need to deport the illegals we catch all the way down to Mexico City.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, there is no practical way to deport 15 million people, so anyone advocating that stance is not thinking rationally. That being said, I do not think that until the borders are secure any amnesty program should be put in place. I think we need to secure the border with increased border patrols, electronic surveillance, whatever it takes. I also think that we need to have an electronic system that can immediately check the validity of a social security number and make it a criminal penalty(jail time) for hiring an illegal immigrant. The majority of illegal aliens are not working for wages under the table, they are simply using a fake social security card that can be purchased for $10. Employers do not check whether it is valid and furthermore the law exempts them from any penalty if the card simply "appears" valid. Once these changes are put in place, then maybe an amnesty program for illegals already here make sense. And by the way my wife is from Mexico so don't give me this racist crap.....

Why does everyone think it is impossible to deport 10 or 15 million people? Where is the
American can do attitude?
The govt has never even tried to deport large numbers of illegals inside our country.
Funny how we have the resources to arrest one million pot heads every year, and the resources to prosecute and incarcerate them.
I say we end the drug war failure, and divert the assets to removing illegal aliens.
All of the time we have been making war on our own people, largely minorities, we have ignored the invasion of our country from the south.
Let's arrest and deport a million illegals every year, and with a secure border, eventually the problems will disappear.

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6703
Marijuana Arrests For Year 2004: 771,608, Record High; FBI Report Reveals

October 17, 2005 - Washington, DC, USA
Pot Smokers Arrested In America At A Rate Of One Every 41 Seconds

Washington, DC: Police arrested an estimated 771,608 persons for marijuana violations in 2004, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's annual Uniform Crime Report, released today. The total is the highest ever recorded by the FBI, and comprised 44.2 percent of all drug arrests in the United States.

Marijuana arrests have more than doubled since 1993.

"Arresting adults who smoke marijuana responsibly needlessly destroys the lives of tens of thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens each year," St. Pierre said, adding that over 8 million Americans have been arrested on marijuana charges in the past decade.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, there is no practical way to deport 15 million people, so anyone advocating that stance is not thinking rationally. That being said, I do not think that until the borders are secure any amnesty program should be put in place. I think we need to secure the border with increased border patrols, electronic surveillance, whatever it takes. I also think that we need to have an electronic system that can immediately check the validity of a social security number and make it a criminal penalty(jail time) for hiring an illegal immigrant. The majority of illegal aliens are not working for wages under the table, they are simply using a fake social security card that can be purchased for $10. Employers do not check whether it is valid and furthermore the law exempts them from any penalty if the card simply "appears" valid. Once these changes are put in place, then maybe an amnesty program for illegals already here make sense. And by the way my wife is from Mexico so don't give me this racist crap.....

Why does everyone think it is impossible to deport 10 or 15 million people? Where is the
American can do attitude?
The govt has never even tried to deport large numbers of illegals inside our country.
Funny how we have the resources to arrest one million pot heads every year, and the resources to prosecute and incarcerate them.
I say we end the drug war failure, and divert the assets to removing illegal aliens.
All of the time we have been making war on our own people, largely minorities, we have ignored the invasion of our country from the south.
Let's arrest and deport a million illegals every year, and with a secure border, eventually the problems will disappear.

Governments HAVE deported that many, 6 million of them, it is not something we should be striving for with our american know-how. :roll:

There is no benefit of removing such a large segment of our workforce, It would create the biggest human rights abuse in the world at the moment tearing millions of families apart and ruining the economy but it is also a huge waste of money and manpower.

For what? For some pathetic revenge against people for coming to work and feed their families in a country that obviously falsley advertises itself as the land of oppurtunity?

Make sure to ship that statue out too then, it is out of date now that white europeans are all here and decided to shut the gates on the needy of the world.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, there is no practical way to deport 15 million people, so anyone advocating that stance is not thinking rationally. That being said, I do not think that until the borders are secure any amnesty program should be put in place. I think we need to secure the border with increased border patrols, electronic surveillance, whatever it takes. I also think that we need to have an electronic system that can immediately check the validity of a social security number and make it a criminal penalty(jail time) for hiring an illegal immigrant. The majority of illegal aliens are not working for wages under the table, they are simply using a fake social security card that can be purchased for $10. Employers do not check whether it is valid and furthermore the law exempts them from any penalty if the card simply "appears" valid. Once these changes are put in place, then maybe an amnesty program for illegals already here make sense. And by the way my wife is from Mexico so don't give me this racist crap.....

Why does everyone think it is impossible to deport 10 or 15 million people? Where is the
American can do attitude?
The govt has never even tried to deport large numbers of illegals inside our country.
Funny how we have the resources to arrest one million pot heads every year, and the resources to prosecute and incarcerate them.
I say we end the drug war failure, and divert the assets to removing illegal aliens.
All of the time we have been making war on our own people, largely minorities, we have ignored the invasion of our country from the south.
Let's arrest and deport a million illegals every year, and with a secure border, eventually the problems will disappear.

Governments HAVE deported that many, 6 million of them, it is not something we should be striving for with our american know-how. :roll:

Now you are equating those wanting illegal immigrants removed from this country to
the Holocaust? I for one, am very offended. I am waiting for an apology, asshole.
I am also sick and tired of people with no rational argument bringing up the Holocaust, or "its like the holocaust", because unless 6 million people died and people tried to completely exterminate an entire race, it's not a holocaust. STFU

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, there is no practical way to deport 15 million people, so anyone advocating that stance is not thinking rationally. That being said, I do not think that until the borders are secure any amnesty program should be put in place. I think we need to secure the border with increased border patrols, electronic surveillance, whatever it takes. I also think that we need to have an electronic system that can immediately check the validity of a social security number and make it a criminal penalty(jail time) for hiring an illegal immigrant. The majority of illegal aliens are not working for wages under the table, they are simply using a fake social security card that can be purchased for $10. Employers do not check whether it is valid and furthermore the law exempts them from any penalty if the card simply "appears" valid. Once these changes are put in place, then maybe an amnesty program for illegals already here make sense. And by the way my wife is from Mexico so don't give me this racist crap.....

Why does everyone think it is impossible to deport 10 or 15 million people? Where is the
American can do attitude?
The govt has never even tried to deport large numbers of illegals inside our country.
Funny how we have the resources to arrest one million pot heads every year, and the resources to prosecute and incarcerate them.
I say we end the drug war failure, and divert the assets to removing illegal aliens.
All of the time we have been making war on our own people, largely minorities, we have ignored the invasion of our country from the south.
Let's arrest and deport a million illegals every year, and with a secure border, eventually the problems will disappear.

Governments HAVE deported that many, 6 million of them, it is not something we should be striving for with our american know-how. :roll:

Now you are equating those wanting illegal immigrants removed from this country to
the Holocaust? I for one, am very offended. I am waiting for an apology, asshole.
I am also sick and tired of people with no rational argument bringing up the Holocaust, or "its like the holocaust", because unless 6 million people died and people tried to completely exterminate an entire race, it's not a holocaust. STFU

nope, it would be worse, what you are saying it to rip apart this country in some half-assed attempt to get revenge for people coming here to work and live. It's plain sick and nothing short of fascism. You are trying to eliminate a whole segment of people from america, that is a holocaust in numbers you speak of, that many people displaced would leave starving children with no mothers or fathers and children to die in the desert in the millions, think before you come up with this stuff.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, there is no practical way to deport 15 million people, so anyone advocating that stance is not thinking rationally. That being said, I do not think that until the borders are secure any amnesty program should be put in place. I think we need to secure the border with increased border patrols, electronic surveillance, whatever it takes. I also think that we need to have an electronic system that can immediately check the validity of a social security number and make it a criminal penalty(jail time) for hiring an illegal immigrant. The majority of illegal aliens are not working for wages under the table, they are simply using a fake social security card that can be purchased for $10. Employers do not check whether it is valid and furthermore the law exempts them from any penalty if the card simply "appears" valid. Once these changes are put in place, then maybe an amnesty program for illegals already here make sense. And by the way my wife is from Mexico so don't give me this racist crap.....

Why does everyone think it is impossible to deport 10 or 15 million people? Where is the
American can do attitude?
The govt has never even tried to deport large numbers of illegals inside our country.
Funny how we have the resources to arrest one million pot heads every year, and the resources to prosecute and incarcerate them.
I say we end the drug war failure, and divert the assets to removing illegal aliens.
All of the time we have been making war on our own people, largely minorities, we have ignored the invasion of our country from the south.
Let's arrest and deport a million illegals every year, and with a secure border, eventually the problems will disappear.

Governments HAVE deported that many, 6 million of them, it is not something we should be striving for with our american know-how. :roll:

Now you are equating those wanting illegal immigrants removed from this country to
the Holocaust? I for one, am very offended. I am waiting for an apology, asshole.
I am also sick and tired of people with no rational argument bringing up the Holocaust, or "its like the holocaust", because unless 6 million people died and people tried to completely exterminate an entire race, it's not a holocaust. STFU

nope, it would be worse, what you are saying it to rip apart this country in some half-assed attempt to get revenge for people coming here to work and live. It's plain sick and nothing short of fascism. You are trying to eliminate a whole segment of people from america, that is a holocaust in numbers you speak of, that many people displaced would leave starving children with no mothers or fathers and children to die in the desert in the millions, think before you come up with this stuff.

You are completely insane. I am not trying to eliminate a whole segment of people from America, just North America. They are free to live in the country of their birth, whether it is in North, South or Central America. We have borders, try and respect them as I respect the borders of their country. And illegal mothers and fathers are free to take their "citizen" children with them when they return to their countries.
The only people dying in the desert are CRIMINALS, trying to ILLEGALLY break into this country. These criminals would be safe if they stayed in their own country. If they die committing a crime for FINANCIAL GAIN, then that is a tough break.

 

[Wheezer]

Steeple, YOU are the one looking for the sheet covered boogeyman in everyone who voices out against the flow of illegal immigrants into this country. Apparently you are so riled up in your witchhunt that you are completely sidestepping the issue. No one, on this board has ever stated or implied that they want all immigrants deported out of the US and only white Americans should be left, but in your haste to look for hatred and intolerance under every rock has brought you to the point that it is either your way or the wrong way....sad really.


You among many others look for reasons to judge people not on what they say, but on how you feel...if you would for just a moment step back and realize that you are the one that is holding the rest of us accountable for what happend to the Mexicans and the Indians hundreds of years ago...totally unfair, and down right stupid.

You see, if what happend to them had not happend you would not be here posting on this board, don't crucify the rest of us simply beacuse we don't carry the genrations of personal guilt you do.

If you wanna really put your money where your mouth is, perhaps there is better utilization of your time by helping out those you purport to stand for rather than making an average of 9.34 posts per day?

Just food for thought.

 

[ijester]

My god, is Steeplerot an opiniated, misguided idot.

I read this entire post, and not once is there a shred of statistical or factual evidence to back a single word of his drivel. Just a bunch of snide and innacurate namecalling.

If I snuck into a country illegally, how would it be fascist of them to kick me back out? If I snuck into your house, that would be trespassing. The exact same thing, only on a different scale.

The problem is that if you want to better your life, you should be willing to EARN that right. Nobody is owed a better life. That is one of the many reasons illegal immigration is a problem. One of the other reasons is the bleeding heart liberals that think they should help the 'poor illegal immigrants' before they would make one tiny bit of effort to help their poor american neighbor take care of themselves when their neighbor loses their job and ends up homeless. Or help feed all the hungry american people. Or contribute to the lack of medical care for millions of americans.

We really need to take care of those problems and all the others before we start wasting valuable resources on those that can't be bothered to earn the right to be here.

 

[palehorse]

the real problem is that some people think that it is physically possible to save or help the entire world. Their heart and mind become disconnected, and they become unwilling to admit that enough is enough. This syndrome is commonly referred to as a "bleeding heart." So, while their intentions are honorable, and their ideas are noble, they can never accept that reality dictates that it's impossible to save everyone. (feed them, provide healthcare, house them, etc).

Then, on top of everything else, because of that disconnect, they immediately label anyone who says otherwise as heartless, racist, uncaring, etc.

they truly cannot comprehend the limits on our country's charity imposed by the cold hard fiscal realities of life and death.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: ijester
My god, is Steeplerot an opiniated, misguided idot.

I read this entire post, and not once is there a shred of statistical or factual evidence to back a single word of his drivel. Just a bunch of snide and innacurate namecalling.

If I snuck into a country illegally, how would it be fascist of them to kick me back out? If I snuck into your house, that would be trespassing. The exact same thing, only on a different scale.

The problem is that if you want to better your life, you should be willing to EARN that right. Nobody is owed a better life. That is one of the many reasons illegal immigration is a problem. One of the other reasons is the bleeding heart liberals that think they should help the 'poor illegal immigrants' before they would make one tiny bit of effort to help their poor american neighbor take care of themselves when their neighbor loses their job and ends up homeless. Or help feed all the hungry american people. Or contribute to the lack of medical care for millions of americans.

We really need to take care of those problems and all the others before we start wasting valuable resources on those that can't be bothered to earn the right to be here.

As opposed to the right-wingers who like to encourage illegals to come here and do their dirty work for low pay, and then don't want to provide them with any services, don't want them to get a drivers license, etc.
I haven't heard one right-wing Republican calling for increased taxes to support our hospitals and emergency rooms.
Where is all of that money the Govt is going to reimburse the states for caring for and incarcerating illegals?
Didn't you get the message? Bush (and Republicans) don't care about the poor.
But they're building schools in Iraq....

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: ijester
My god, is Steeplerot an opiniated, misguided idot.

I read this entire post, and not once is there a shred of statistical or factual evidence to back a single word of his drivel. Just a bunch of snide and innacurate namecalling.

If I snuck into a country illegally, how would it be fascist of them to kick me back out? If I snuck into your house, that would be trespassing. The exact same thing, only on a different scale.

The problem is that if you want to better your life, you should be willing to EARN that right. Nobody is owed a better life. That is one of the many reasons illegal immigration is a problem. One of the other reasons is the bleeding heart liberals that think they should help the 'poor illegal immigrants' before they would make one tiny bit of effort to help their poor american neighbor take care of themselves when their neighbor loses their job and ends up homeless. Or help feed all the hungry american people. Or contribute to the lack of medical care for millions of americans.

We really need to take care of those problems and all the others before we start wasting valuable resources on those that can't be bothered to earn the right to be here.

As opposed to the right-wingers who like to encourage illegals to come here and do their dirty work for low pay, and then don't want to provide them with any services, don't want them to get a drivers license, etc.
I haven't heard one right-wing Republican calling for increased taxes to support our hospitals and emergency rooms.
Where is all of that money the Govt is going to reimburse the states for caring for and incarcerating illegals?
Didn't you get the message? Bush (and Republicans) don't care about the poor.
But they're building schools in Iraq....

lol, im HAPPY that they're not calling for higher taxes... eliminate pork spending, on every side of the aisle, and redirect THOSE funds to the hospitals and such... but higher taxes?! screw that noise...