Bigots United . . .

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: AAjax


What part of CaptnKirk IS USING THE RACE ISSUE TO PUSH HIS ACTIVIST AGENDA don't you understand.

This is not rush limbaugh, these right wing "race card" talking points do not fly with someone not hiding their real agenda.

Save it for foxnews fueled mental masturbation with the far right.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Fight nice, Children . . .

Think if you find time to reason.

 

[shrumpage]

When did mexico = race ?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: lozina
That we are somehow brain washed by this mystical neo-nazi racist force?

He showed you links, this is the same thing the KKK has been fighting for to get across to the mainstream since the KKK was around, look up the facts, see where the issue is coming from on nightly tv and make your own opinion. Thats up to you.

The SPLC link is a great start to look up hate groups, now watch tv and see where they get this information from, check mediamatters too.

Nothing mystical, You know the people who run the show nowdays and what the media is capable of passing off as credibility and the hype it plays up.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
The states that border Mexico, and the people who live in them, have less of a problem dealing with them
than the people who live inland, away from the borders, and are not having to deal with them on a daily basis.

This is a 'hotbutton' issue being pushed by racists for their activist agenda.
The 'Minutemen' are taking a name from proud American History, and the battle for independance & freedom
from Americas infancy - and mis-using the 'name' to glorify their own selfish agenda.

This country has a lot more pressing issues to contend with, than that of an alliance of neo-nazis and right wing fruitcakes.

California, Arizona, New Mexico & Texas are the only states that share the border with Mexico.
Georgia, Illinois, Tennesee, and Ohio do not. The mexico border may be the crossing point for many illegal immigrants
but the bulk of those 'Illegals' are not Mexican - they come from Central and South America,
or even countries in Asia where the people smuggling trade uses our border situation to bring them accross.
Why punish Americans of Mexican decent, and their families that live here because of the policies that are in place?
Beating up on Mexico doesn't solve the illegal immigration problems of Vietnam, China, Brazil, Columbia, or Bulgaria.

In the first place, this is a NATIONAL ISSUE. The illegals are all over the country and they're still coming in by the hundreds of thousands. Illegal immigration may be a bigger problem in border states, but it's every US citizens right to have their own opinion on what to do about it. What's yours?? Just continue to look the other way?

Give me some links that prove ypour claim that "the bulk" of the illegal aliens crossing the border are not Mexican. I know they're all not, but the vast majority are.

Who's punishing Americans of Mexican desecent, unless your refering to "North America"? If that's the case the your claim is just drivel.

A proper solution will also stop the rest of the illegal immigration.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
They are convinced from endless media that they are being stolen from and that undocumented workers are easy prey, thus they smell blood in the water and no arguement at this point will change the idea that they are justified by using "illegal" as an excuse to scapegoat them for societys ills.

All you can say to these people are look at where this information comes from and feel bad for this country. I should stay out of immigration threads as it annoys me to no end watchign them try to spin this to make their real reasons seems snow white pure.

You should stay out, than they would stay civil without your ranting and raving that anyone who decides they should deal with the issue of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS is racist.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina


You do realize you're digging yourself into a deeper hole, credibility-wise ?

Sorry, anyone who takes sides in lockstep with nazis and KKK lost credibility from the get-go.

You talk of credibility like you actually had some.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
US immigration policy is NOT an item to be controlled by an underground network of social rejects,
regardless of who much you may sympathize with their cause.

Glad we agree on something. Not sure I see the relenecy to the current dicussion though...

Were you about to provide some evidence or somehow prove that immigration policy is controlled by an "underground network of social rejects"?

While we're off-topic, I'd also like to declare that I believe the President should not have absolute power and should be balanced by the Legislative and Judicial branches.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

That may be, but they are working on several bills in congress, so the problem needs to be addressed NOW.

 

[JeepinEd]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: JeepinEd

Originally posted by: rdubbz420

Originally posted by: JeepinEd
You can find racism on both sides.
You guys think there arent any racist mexicans?

Look up Mecha and Atzlan
These groups have the re-aquisiton of the Western US States as their goal, through any means necessary. They are currently playing a large role in the protests that are going on throught our country. As a matter of fact, the Mayor of Los Angeles was a member of Mecha.

Here is part of a current petition that they are circulating: (Mexica, not mexico, includes Western U.S. States)

All Mexica shall be united through the student union to overthrow the racist White bigots. MEChA stands for Movimiento Estudiantil Chicanos de Atzlan. It is the student movement of the indigenous people who have come to reclaim the land for our people. It has bravely fought racist bigot White gringos and White Spanish who do not want us in America. We will force our way in if the racist White gringos and Spanish do not give into are sway. The Southwest shall be remade into the Republic del Norte. We will conquer the racist white boys who took the land from the indigenous people. Then we will oust the outsider races back to where they came from. Spanish would go first, then other Whites, then Blacks, then Asians. This land belongs to the indigenous and if the racist White bigots require us to use force to realize the destiny of our Raza, we will break the laws, shout, rally, and show the bigoted Whites that the spirit of the indigenous Americans will never be smothered by the brutal gingo take over of our land.


I am Hispanic and believe in LEGAL immigration. If that makes me a racist, so be it.

They will just ignore your post like they did to mine. I really think Steeple just hates himself.

I have noticed that.

Their mottos seems to be: If it doesn't suit your views, it doesn't exist.

The problem is, those of use who are against illegal immigration, the majority of us are not racist. I ignore your post not because it does not fit into my view, but because it does not apply to me. You are not labelling me a racist, and I care not if Mexicans are racist.

You are right, I was not labelling you a racist.
My original point was that because some fringe elements have made their way into the anti illegal immigration front, it does not make us all racists. Both the pro illegals and anti illegals have racist groups as part of their movement.

I have been called a racist many times because I support the enforcement of our borders.
Having been born in El Salvador, it's an opinion which I cannot express around Hispanics without being threatened and called a racist. At the same time, these same people will talk about their involvement with Mecha and how California will soon be a part of Mexica.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina
That we are somehow brain washed by this mystical neo-nazi racist force?

He showed you links, this is the same thing the KKK has been fighting for to get across to the mainstream since the KKK was around, look up the facts, see where the issue is coming from on nightly tv and make your own opinion. Thats up to you.

The SPLC link is a great start to look up hate groups, now watch tv and see where they get this information from, check mediamatters too.

Nothing mystical, You know the people who run the show nowdays and what the media is capable of passing of as credibility and the hype it plays up.

There were also a few people who support Osama Bin Laden during the anti-war movements. Does that prove the anti-war movement is a pro-Osama Bin Laden movement? (Yes/No)

Anecdotal never works

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
US immigration policy is NOT an item to be controlled by an underground network of social rejects,
regardless of who much you may sympathize with their cause.

Glad we agree on something. Not sure I see the relenecy to the current dicussion though...

Were you about to provide some evidence or somehow prove that immigration policy is controlled by an "underground network of social rejects"?

While we're off-topic, I'd also like to declare that I believe the President should not have absolute power and should be balanced by the Legislative and Judicial branches.

I've asked him for his solution a couple of times now. All I get is duhversion.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina


You do realize you're digging yourself into a deeper hole, credibility-wise ?

Sorry, anyone who takes sides in lockstep with nazis and KKK lost credibility from the get-go.

You talk of credibility like you actually had some.

And what do you contribute RD? Besides one liners and personal attacks?

Mind your own concern, you have shown you have nothing to contribute to a debate time and time again.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina
That we are somehow brain washed by this mystical neo-nazi racist force?

He showed you links, this is the same thing the KKK has been fighting for to get across to the mainstream since the KKK was around, look up the facts, see where the issue is coming from on nightly tv and make your own opinion. Thats up to you.

The SPLC link is a great start to look up hate groups, now watch tv and see where they get this information from, check mediamatters too.

Nothing mystical, You know the people who run the show nowdays and what the media is capable of passing of as credibility and the hype it plays up.

There were also a few people who support Osama Bin Laden during the anti-war movements. Does that prove the anti-war movement is a pro-Osama Bin Laden movement? (Yes/No)

Anecdotal never works

If anti-war groups policy was one in the same with bin ladens then you would have a point, but it is not.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

That may be, but they are working on several bills in congress, so the problem needs to be addressed NOW.

And all the bills SUCK.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina


You do realize you're digging yourself into a deeper hole, credibility-wise ?

Sorry, anyone who takes sides in lockstep with nazis and KKK lost credibility from the get-go.

You talk of credibility like you actually had some.

And what do you contribute RD? Besides one liners and personal attacks?

Mind your own concern, you have shown you have nothing to contribute to a debate time and time again.

Says the person who labels everyone a racist..

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina


You do realize you're digging yourself into a deeper hole, credibility-wise ?

Sorry, anyone who takes sides in lockstep with nazis and KKK lost credibility from the get-go.

You talk of credibility like you actually had some.

And what do you contribute RD? Besides one liners and personal attacks?

Mind your own concern, you have shown you have nothing to contribute to a debate time and time again.

No I don't go off on ludicrous rants like you do calling all those who disagree with me racist or idiots.
IMO you are the Right Wing Whackos favorite kind of Liberal, one who they love to use to sterotype all other Liberals as clueless bleaters.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

IMO you are the Right Wing Whackos favorite kind of Liberal, one who they love to use to sterotype all other Liberals as clueless bleaters.

And you are a clueless troll starting flamefests, go run back under your bridge, I could care less what right-wing haters think and you too.

I get thanked for bringing up valid unpopular points often, if I am hated becasue of it good for me, its not your concern as I can handle myself.

Your opinion, the ones on the klanners side of the immigration issue who hate my opinion and right-wingers in the whiney thread in FI are noted and filed into the apropriate recepticle, #13.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

Ding, Ding Ding... we have a winnah!!

You Sir are right on the mark

I would agree that is what the media is using it for. Though it is an important issue.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

That may be, but they are working on several bills in congress, so the problem needs to be addressed NOW.

And all the bills SUCK.

I thought it was Bill that *got* sucked?


But, yeah, bills that criminalize illegals, esp. as felonies, are not an answer.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

That may be, but they are working on several bills in congress, so the problem needs to be addressed NOW.

And all the bills SUCK.

Pretty much, yes. But they could easily become law. Here is a run-down on them

http://www.numbersusa.com/PDFs/SensenbrennerSpecterMcCainFristNumbersComp.pdf

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

IMO you are the Right Wing Whackos favorite kind of Liberal, one who they love to use to sterotype all other Liberals as clueless bleaters.

And you are a clueless troll starting flamefests, go run back under your bridge, I could care less what right-wing haters think and you too.

Obviously you couldn't care less about what anybody thinks because if you did you'd at least try to make a valid argument instead of labeling those who might disagree with you as racists and idiots.

 

[eilute]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Biggots flock in mass to seal Tennesee and Illinois border from the billions of Mexicans that are rushing in to
take usless low pay jobs away from 'Merican Rednecks that won't apply to work on medial jobs that aree
below their social status in the Wheeled Estates of Apalacha.

Ain't no way we'll let Mexicans take jobs the blackies don't want.

I'm not sure if this post is serious, but these jobs have low pay and low status because we have illegal immigrants. How many people out their are against workers unions and yet still want to saturate the economy with cheap labor? It is too much to ask American businesses to pay their employees respectable wages?