Bigots United . . .

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

IMO you are the Right Wing Whackos favorite kind of Liberal, one who they love to use to sterotype all other Liberals as clueless bleaters.

And you are a clueless troll starting flamefests, go run back under your bridge, I could care less what right-wing haters think and you too.

Obviously you couldn't care less about what anybody thinks because if you did you'd at least try to make a valid argument instead of labeling those who might disagree with you as racists and idiots.

No, I have a unpopular view in here and could care less what talking point you all use to try to counter with to justify racism. Like I said, I and many others could care less what you think, look at who is on your side... :roll:

Just about every one of these peeps have admitted that these people are dirty, unamerican, welfare abusers etc etc.
They will not come out and say it in a call-out thread though, just as they will stick to the "illegal immigrants" cop-out.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

IMO you are the Right Wing Whackos favorite kind of Liberal, one who they love to use to sterotype all other Liberals as clueless bleaters.

And you are a clueless troll starting flamefests, go run back under your bridge, I could care less what right-wing haters think and you too.

Obviously you couldn't care less about what anybody thinks because if you did you'd at least try to make a valid argument instead of labeling those who might disagree with you as racists and idiots.

No, I have a unpopular view in here and could care less what talking point you all use to try to counter with to justify racism. Like I said, I and many others could care less what you think, look at who is on your side... :roll:

Well you're not so that does say something positive for my POV.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

That may be, but they are working on several bills in congress, so the problem needs to be addressed NOW.

And all the bills SUCK.

I thought it was Bill that *got* sucked?


But, yeah, bills that criminalize illegals, esp. as felonies, are not an answer.

Mass deporation is.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

That may be, but they are working on several bills in congress, so the problem needs to be addressed NOW.

And all the bills SUCK.

I thought it was Bill that *got* sucked?


But, yeah, bills that criminalize illegals, esp. as felonies, are not an answer.

I don't care how many people we let come into this country legally. I do want them to be legal, otherwise we will create second class citizens. On the other hand, I don't think being able to walk across the border is much of a qualifacation IMO.

We have good people standing in line to come here legally. Let's just increase those numbers.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well you're not so that does say something positive for my POV.

And your drawn conclusion of my character shows how close minded you are, but then whats new, you have always been a hyper-judgemental prick since the first time I have seen you post. Contribute or buzz off as I am getting sick of your whining as if your opinion is any more valid to me then zendaris or daves in here, you are just derailing the thread to make personal attacks. I am saying this law and the issue surrounding it is racist, and yes, a lot of the people behind it are part of this, some are not. If you don't like that it is not my problem.

Guilty conscience or just trolling today? Which will it be?

 

[Red Dawn]

Are you done editing yet?:laugh:

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

That may be, but they are working on several bills in congress, so the problem needs to be addressed NOW.

And all the bills SUCK.

I thought it was Bill that *got* sucked?


But, yeah, bills that criminalize illegals, esp. as felonies, are not an answer.

Mass deporation is.

Are you ready to pay for that?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Well you're not so that does say something positive for my POV.

And your drawn conclusion of my character shows how close minded you are, but then whats new, you have always been a hyper-judgemental prick since the first time I have seen you post. Contribute or buzz off as I am getting sick of your whining as if your opinion is any more valid to me then zendaris or daves in here, you are just derailing the thread to make personal attacks. I am saying this law and the issue surrounding it is racist, and yes, a lot of the people behind it are part of this, some are not. If you don't like that it is not my problem.

Guilty conscience or just trolling today? Which will it be?

is it the fault of those who oppose criminal entry that racists flock to their side of the debate with alterior motives?

no, it's not. just as it's not your fault that the Mexican extremist groups flock to your side.

the difference is that those on my side have law and order to fall back on. you dont. there is NO justification for criminal entry into the US, period. Eliminating borders and/or the laws governing entry are not viable options.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

That may be, but they are working on several bills in congress, so the problem needs to be addressed NOW.

And all the bills SUCK.

I thought it was Bill that *got* sucked?


But, yeah, bills that criminalize illegals, esp. as felonies, are not an answer.

Mass deporation is.

Are you ready to pay for that?

Let's face it. Knee-jerk reactions like "mass deportation" is not a solution to anything. My little 'ol self came up with a solution that would work that even Palehorse agreed with. Now if I, just an ordinary citizen could do that, why can't Congress? I know why. It's because they don't want to.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Are you done editing yet?:laugh:

LOL!!!

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

That may be, but they are working on several bills in congress, so the problem needs to be addressed NOW.

And all the bills SUCK.

I thought it was Bill that *got* sucked?


But, yeah, bills that criminalize illegals, esp. as felonies, are not an answer.

Mass deporation is.

Are you ready to pay for that?

Let's face it. Knee-jerk reactions like "mass deportation" is not a solution to anything. My little 'ol self came up with a solution that would work that even Palehorse agreed with. Now if I, just an ordinary citizen could do that, why can't Congress? I know why. It's because they don't want to.

I think that the biggest problem is motivating the supposed 75% of Americans who are opposed to illegal immigration to take to the streets just as the illegals themselves have done... Only through such action would the politicians take notice of America's true opinion in this matter.

When the illegals can gather 800,000 people to demonstrate, but the opposition can only muster 500 or so, then it's a lost cause. The "majority" is impotent if it remains silent and complacant...

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
there is NO justification for criminal entry into the US, period.

The criminal aspect is irrelevant. If you want to get into justification for why poor people with no prospects at home travel to a place where they have an oppurtunity to support themselves and their family...well...there is obviously no justification to that.

The issue cannot be simplified under the umbrella of legality.

In many ways it is about the divide between rich and poor on a global scale. It is about social justice and equality.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
I think the whole thing is just a diversion to turn American eyes to Mexico for a while instead of Iraq, where they belong.

Bingo.

That may be, but they are working on several bills in congress, so the problem needs to be addressed NOW.

And all the bills SUCK.

I thought it was Bill that *got* sucked?


But, yeah, bills that criminalize illegals, esp. as felonies, are not an answer.

Mass deporation is.

Are you ready to pay for that?

Let's face it. Knee-jerk reactions like "mass deportation" is not a solution to anything. My little 'ol self came up with a solution that would work that even Palehorse agreed with. Now if I, just an ordinary citizen could do that, why can't Congress? I know why. It's because they don't want to.

I think that the biggest problem is motivating the supposed 75% of Americans who are opposed to illegal immigration to take to the streets just as the illegals themselves have done... Only through such action would the politicians take notice of America's true opinion in this matter.

When the illegals can gather 800,000 people to demonstrate, but the opposition can only muster 500 or so, then it's a lost cause. The "majority" is impotent if it remains silent and complacant...

Hence the superficial kneejerk, draconian bills in Congress. Only when the public is informed can they demand compotent, logical and practical solutions.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Are you done editing yet?:laugh:

Yeah it takes me awhile since you all are on the warpath to get me banned lately since you think we can use my view on the immigration issue to have me not calling your OT friends here anymore. It is those who are most full of themselves that are the most blind and you all think your opinion is the lockstep view here, it is not.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JacobJ

Originally posted by: palehorse74
there is NO justification for criminal entry into the US, period.

The criminal aspect is irrelevant. If you want to get into justification for why poor people with no prospects at home travel to a place where they have an oppurtunity to support themselves and their family...well...there is obviously no justification to that.

The issue cannot be simplified under the umbrella of legality.

In many ways it is about the divide between rich and poor on a global scale. It is about social justice and equality.

but why must Americans pay the price (literally) for that divide everywhere else in the world? no, im sorry, i disagree completely. It MUST come down to terms of legality or else you open pandora's box in terms of financial liability and support for the poor around the world.

I do understand why they are coming, and they have my personal sympathy for their hardships, but that does not mean that America must be the catch-all for everyone in need. And I, as a taxpayer, should not have to pay for 12,000,000 insurance-less visits to the doctor, etc.

It's bad enough that I must pay for the underprevileged within my own country, for those who are here legally, but I AM willing to do so! But, there is no justification for my having to pay for millions of others who arrive on our shores illegally. none whatsoever.

Survival of the fittest perhaps? You cant save everyone...

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74


Survival of the fittest perhaps? You cant save everyone...

Well, that is not how america was founded, and it is you who is out of step, that is a excuse to play favorites and scapegoat people conforming to your view that you should not be part and responsible for all americas well being. It is a pretty selfish standpoint and you are only afforded it by the fact that you yourself have privilege you were born into to do so.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Are you done editing yet?:laugh:

Yeah it takes me awhile since you all are on the warpath to get me banned lately since you think we can use my view on the immigration issue to have me not calling your housebois out anymore. It is those who are most full of themselves that are the most blind and you all think your opinion is the lockstep view here, it is not.

Look I understand that some don't share my view on this issue and that's fine. What isn't fine is you calling me a racist because I don't agree with you on this issue. Your doing that is nothing but a knee jerk reaction on your part because there isn't one post of mine in any of these threads that would indicate that I have a problem with those who happen to be Hispanic. In fact I made a post in this thread where I stated that I believe that all illegal alien no matter what race they happen to be shouldn't be allowed to stay. If they want to immigrate here they need to do it legally or stay out IMO.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
but why must Americans pay the price (literally) for that divide everywhere else in the world?

Perhaps because we reap the rewards? Where were your clothes made? Your computer parts? Your Ipod? Your shoes? Ever bought something at walmart or target?

Or maybe because we have a moral responsibility to work toward ending human suffering? We certainly shouldn't work toward increasing human suffering...

The sad thing is that most "solutions" offered do just that...they increase hardship on the poorest of the poor while doing nothing to address the fact that they are poor -- or better yet, ruin the lives of one group of poor people in the name of a group of less poor people. That just doesn't sit right with me. It is wrong.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


Survival of the fittest perhaps? You cant save everyone...

Well, that is not how america was founded, and it is you who is out of step, that is a excuse to play favorites and scapegoat people conforming to your view that you should not be part and responsible for all americas well being. It is a pretty selfish standpoint and you are only afforded it by the fact that you yourself have privilege you were born into to do so.

how is it selfish? my family and I started out in a one-bedroom rented apartment. Every progressive step we have made, we have earned through education and hard work.

the point is, I have no problem with allowing some of the world to migrate to the US legally in order to better themselves and take advantage of the opportunities available here. My problem is with those who do so illegally, thus jumping in front of the line AND taking opportunities away from those who came here the right way.

Yes, the legal immigration system needs a lot of work, and must be made more effient to allow more legals into the US.

However, nothing justifies the criminal act of entering illegally, regardless of how much they are suffering and starving.

My mother does dog fostering and dog rescue. She has spent the last 8 months focused entirely on the lost/abandoned dogs in New Orleans due to hurricane Katrina. The reason I bring her up is because she has put this immigration issue in a light that is easy to understand: "As much as your heart wants to, you can't save them all. Therefore you focus on those that you can save, and bring them up one at a time."

That philosophy should be applied to the impoverished and needy in the world. We really cant save them all, or have them all here in the US. That is impossible. So instead we must focus on those who enter legally and protect their rights and opportunities as much as possible.

One step in doing so is ensuring that no more people skirt that process and enter illegally.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Every progressive step we have made, we have earned through education and hard work.

Whenever someone says this there is always another side. Sorry if life experience says different, the most selfish ones are almost always the most privileged.

We will have to disagree on this.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Are you done editing yet?:laugh:

Yeah it takes me awhile since you all are on the warpath to get me banned lately since you think we can use my view on the immigration issue to have me not calling your housebois out anymore. It is those who are most full of themselves that are the most blind and you all think your opinion is the lockstep view here, it is not.

Look I understand that some don't share my view on this issue and that's fine. What isn't fine is you calling me a racist because I don't agree with you on this issue. Your doing that is nothing but a knee jerk reaction on your part because there isn't one post of mine in any of these threads that would indicate that I have a problem with those who happen to be Hispanic. In fact I made a post in this thread where I stated that I believe that all illegal alien no matter what race they happen to be shouldn't be allowed to stay. If they want to immigrate here they need to do it legally or stay out IMO.

I know your view, and I am not saying RD, or whoever "You all are racists!" I am saying that this whole framing and kneejerking into deportation and scapegoating is fueled by xenophobia and greed. racism too, though xenophobia is a better word.

We all know the people who run the show and how they twist the issues for an agenda, I am saying before we knee jerk ourselves into a possibly very bad situation it is good to see where the information you all are being fed about the evilness of these people being here, you as well as I both know someone up high is playing us all off each other for their own benefit, What I am saying is they are using the worst traits of america to do so and people are being ignorant playing into it, and yes this is fueled by hate groups to do so -straight up.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Every progressive step we have made, we have earned through education and hard work.

Whenever someone says this there is always another side. Sorry if life experience says different, the most selfish ones are almost always the most privileged.

We will have to disagree on this.

did you read my entire post, or just that part? once you've read it all, then answer this: how in the hell am i being selfish on this issue?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74


t's bad enough that I must pay for the underprevileged within my own country

You show right there how you do things to help but you really only do them for your own self-serving reasons as you don't really want to shooting yourself in the foot with the martyr stor in your next post..

Textbook case of a selfish person, and this country is overun by this. Matter of fact people celebrate it through right-wing pundits you are so fond of, it comes as no surprise.

 

[Moonbeam]

Of course we could always grant amnesty if first we are ready to admit that our laws against illegal immigration were there to keep the law abiding out. What chump who would wait in line to enter legally would then likely turn around and work for nothing putting some low skilled American out of work. No surely we made immigration illegal but left our borders ajar so that millions of self-centered law breakers would come and take illegal jobs. Self-centered ambitious people willing to step over the gullible and honest are just our kind of people. Welcome aboard the corporate pig farm. Today it's illegal immigration and tomorrow income tax evasion. We should call yourselves the UMR, the United Mafia Republic.

I pity the poor immigrant
Who wishes he would've stayed home,
Who uses all his power to do evil
But in the end is always left so alone.
That man whom with his fingers cheats
And who lies with ev'ry breath,
Who passionately hates his life
And likewise, fears his death.

I pity the poor immigrant
Whose strength is spent in vain,
Whose heaven is like Ironsides,
Whose tears are like rain,
Who eats but is not satisfied,
Who hears but does not see,
Who falls in love with wealth itself
And turns his back on me.

I pity the poor immigrant
Who tramples through the mud,
Who fills his mouth with laughing
And who builds his town with blood,
Whose visions in the final end
Must shatter like the glass.
I pity the poor immigrant
When his gladness comes to pass.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


t's bad enough that I must pay for the underprevileged within my own country

You show right there how you do things to help but you really only do them for your own self-serving reasons as you don't really want to shooting yourself in the foot with the martyr stor in your next post..

Textbook case of a selfish person, and this country is overun by this. Matter of fact people celebrate it through right-wing pundits you are so fond of, it comes as no surprise.

wrong. i dont do things for myself, i do them for my own countrymen first and foremost, and then do plenty elsewhere in the world as well. Read the following again:

"My mother does dog fostering and dog rescue. She has spent the last 8 months focused entirely on the lost/abandoned dogs in New Orleans due to hurricane Katrina. The reason I bring her up is because she has put this immigration issue in a light that is easy to understand: "As much as your heart wants to, you can't save them all. Therefore you focus on those that you can save, and bring them up one at a time."

That philosophy should be applied to the impoverished and needy in the world. We really cant save them all, (edit: no matter how much we want to!), and we cannot have them all move here to the US. That is impossible. So instead we must focus on those who enter legally and protect their rights and opportunities as much as possible; and the rights and opportunities of those already here!"