Bigots United . . .

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


t's bad enough that I must pay for the underprevileged within my own country

You show right there how you do things to help but you really only do them for your own self-serving reasons as you don't really want to shooting yourself in the foot with the martyr stor in your next post..

Textbook case of a selfish person, and this country is overun by this. Matter of fact people celebrate it through right-wing pundits you are so fond of, it comes as no surprise.

wrong. i dont do things for myself, i do them for my own countrymen first and foremost, and then do plenty elsewhere in the world as well. Read the following again:

"My mother does dog fostering and dog rescue. She has spent the last 8 months focused entirely on the lost/abandoned dogs in New Orleans due to hurricane Katrina. The reason I bring her up is because she has put this immigration issue in a light that is easy to understand: "As much as your heart wants to, you can't save them all. Therefore you focus on those that you can save, and bring them up one at a time."

That philosophy should be applied to the impoverished and needy in the world. We really cant save them all, (edit: no matter how much we want to!), and we cannot have them all move here to the US. That is impossible. So instead we must focus on those who enter legally and protect their rights and opportunities as much as possible; and the rights and opportunities of those already here!"

Wow, suddenly you have a compassionate streak. (for dogs) Save it Palehorse, you cried wolf in here so many times and I am not interested in watching you chase your tail

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Wow, suddenly you have a compassionate streak. (for dogs) Save it Palehorse, you cried wolf in here so many times and I am not interested in watching you chase your tail

so now I'm racist AND selfish?

The irony is that yes, I do indeed have more compassion for dogs than I have for most people. But I'm fairly confident that you could poll every RL friend i have, and using the words "selfish" or "racist" to describe me would be dismissed outright. you couldn't be farther from the truth of who I am...

it appears we have perception issues.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
However, nothing justifies the criminal act of entering illegally, regardless of how much they are suffering and starving.

Imagine standing alone in the desert, behind you are your three starving children. Your wife was raped by people you owe money to, and have threatened to kill your entire family if you don't pay up within 6 months.

Fortunately you've found a job in a nearby town.

You don't take the job, though. Because it means crossing the border. You know you are making the right decision because nothing justifies a criminal act. Not even saving your own family.

Now...

The law is justification for suffering.

You work as a butcher. Time goes by, and a law is passed that says you are no longer allowed to carry guns. More time goes by and a law is passed that says you are no longer allowed to carry knives. You are out of a job, but don't protest because you respect the law. More time goes by, and laws say you are to be moved to a special section of the city because you are out of work and a burden on society. You live there and try to get by as best you can. They pass a lot saying you are to wear a special symbol marking your religious affiliation. Soon, they start taking away your friends and relatives on trains out to the country. You don't know what happens to them, but you don't do anything because you respect the government, and you trust its laws. You live a hard life, and don't know how you are going to survive. But you don't protest, because the law says you are not allowed to.

....


The law is a tool, and it is generally good to obey it. But we must always be wary of it, because we do not always wield the tool. It can become twisted and violent. It is important to guard against that.

If you want to talk about moral justification in terms of murder -- you don't talk about the gun. Just as guns are tools that can provide food and safety but also be misused and abused, so is the law. The law is a tool. Tools are not justifications. They do not provide moral meaning to an argument.

 

[Moonbeam]

The KKK is for jail terms for convicted black felons, so I say we need to let them all out of jail. The KKK can't be even accidentally, and for all the wrong reasons, right

 

[piasabird]

This amnesty thing is just telling people that it is permissible to commit any crime as long as you get what you want.

Without better policing of the border my answer is no amnesty for anyone.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


t's bad enough that I must pay for the underprevileged within my own country

You show right there how you do things to help but you really only do them for your own self-serving reasons as you don't really want to shooting yourself in the foot with the martyr stor in your next post..

Textbook case of a selfish person, and this country is overun by this. Matter of fact people celebrate it through right-wing pundits you are so fond of, it comes as no surprise.

Actually the selfish people here are the ones who come to this country without regards for the people waiting to come in through the legal channels. They are the ones only concerned about themselves.

From Wikipedia

"Selfishness" is, at base, the concept and/or practise of concern with one's own interests in some sort of priority to the interests of others; it is often used to refer to a self-interest that comes in a particular form, or above a certain level.......

Group selfishness (as compared to individual selfishness)
Naturally, selfishness usually refers to the self - that is, to the individual. However, in common speech, a group of people can be accused of "selfishness" too, in the sense that members of that group are not concerned with the welfare of anyone outside their group but are only inward-looking: concentrating on the needs of the group.

Heh, apparently you are selfishishly putting the needs of the smaller group above the needs of the whole.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: piasabird
This amnesty thing is just telling people that it is permissible to commit any crime as long as you get what you want.

Without better policing of the border my answer is no amnesty for anyone.

Watch the news lately? The number of people hopping the border is way up becuase of all this talk of amnesty. Illegals, and I'm sure legals, are calling their relatives in Mexico and telling them the time is ripe to jump the border before this legislation gets passed so they can reap the benefits of the handouts some politicians are proposing. It really is a joke. The fact that the numbers crossing illegaly into country is increasing due to the lure of amnesty SHOULD be all that is needed to see it is just more planned failure when it comes to immigration policy.....but that won't stop some from still pushing for it. The sad thing is there is more likelihood of ANOTHER amnesty (which was supposed to solve the problem last time) than any real legislation to address or solve the problem.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Actually the selfish people here are the ones who come to this country without regards for the people waiting to come in through the legal channels. They are the ones only concerned about themselves.

What is selfish about moving north to feed your family?

Your whole concept of the issue is flawed by hate.

Where do you get this idea anyone knowingly tried to screw you over, you would do the same thing to feed your own family.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Actually the selfish people here are the ones who come to this country without regards for the people waiting to come in through the legal channels. They are the ones only concerned about themselves.

What is selfish about moving north to feed your family?

Your whole concept of the issue is flawed by hate.

Where do you get this idea anyone knowingly tried to screw you over, you would do the same thing to feed your own family.

Why can't you see that we have good, smart people standing in line to come into this country legally that want to become US citizens? Why should we allow someone to come here who's only qualifications are that they can walk and are willing to work cheap?

I would rather have a doctor or an engineer come here then cheap labor anyday of the week and they are standing in line to get here. You must hate them terribly to deny them access to this country. Do you hate all people who believe in the rule of law?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit


Why can't you see that we have good, smart people standing in line to come into this country legally that want to become US citizens? Why should we allow someone to come here who's only qualifications are that they can walk and are willing to work cheap?

I would rather have a doctor or an engineer come here then cheap labor anyday of the week and they are standing in line to get here. You must hate them terribly to deny them access to this country.

We did not need doctors or engineers, and our immigration laws are not good enough, human nature will take its course when there is something lacking regardless of artifical barriers. And no, they shouldnt be working cheap, they should be being paid full wages with full protections as anyone else working here. As I said, mexicos loss of motivated workers, our gain. They should have watched their borders.

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Do you hate all people who believe in the rule of law?

Has nothing to do with law, laws change and are bent or outright ignored daily in this country, "law" is just an excuse to scapegoat once again.

 

[CaptnKirk]

They come here because ours is the 'Land of Opportunity' - they want a chance & are willing to work for it.

Immigrants' Interest in Citizenship Surges

Polarization is not the way to get things done. Amnesty is questionable at best.
Moving the goal posts constantly is not the way to do things.

It isn't like last Thursday we all woke up and found that there were some 123 million illegals snuck out of the wood-work overnight.
Many are here because they arrived here legaly, under the guidelines of the rules of 10 to 40 years ago,
and had rules changed that affected them after they were here, and found that by following the rules as changes
it would hurt them and their families.

Congress is a dysfunctional operation that only over-reacts, after the facts, to attempt to insulate themselves from accountability.
They have put this off for over 50 years, and now it's a freaking hot issue to a very small group of reactionists.

The original article even points out that the minutemens reaction is because the immigration protests brought so many people into play . . .
and most of the Immigration Protestors were LEGAL residents, there were few, if any, illegals -
why would illegals jepordize their presence by partaking in an organized protest, where if they were picked up they know they will be tossed?

 

[Zebo]

Legal smeagal. If a law was preventing me from providing for my family I'd break it w/o hesitation.

 

[Steeplerot]

Maybe one of you anti-immigration folks should sue the country for falsely advertising 'Land of Opportunity', and ship that damn statue back too, it gives everyone a wrong idea.

People should know better now that we have all the whites we want that immigration is a outdated concept and should be only regulated to a few who go through our bureaucracy.

 

[1EZduzit]

We don't need doctors and engineers, just cheap labor? LMAO, right. What this country needs is a good 5 cent cigar.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Are you done editing yet?:laugh:

You've noticed how it works to, huh? Fulminate-*edit*-add more venom-*edit*-add still more racial demagoguery-*DONE*

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Legal smeagal. If a law was preventing me from providing for my family I'd break it w/o hesitation.

Only 5% of the illegal immirants for Mexico were unemployed before coming here. What about the people starving in Africa? Just tough love for them? I'm sure they would mow your lawn just for food.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Maybe one of you anti-immigration folks should sue the country for falsely advertising 'Land of Opportunity', and ship that damn statue back too, it gives everyone a wrong idea.

People should know better now that we have all the whites we want that immigration is a outdated concept and should be only regulated to a few who go through our bureaucracy.

Racist much?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We don't need doctors and engineers, just cheap labor? LMAO, right. What this country needs is a good 5 cent cigar.

We do need a large amount of immigrants to replace those that are dying off from baby boomer age.

Can't expect them to start from the top, they are immigrants like we all were, give it 50 years and we will have a new middle class if done correctly.

Or, toss em out and lose a great oppurtunity handed to us.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Zebo
Legal smeagal. If a law was preventing me from providing for my family I'd break it w/o hesitation.

Only 5% of the illegal immirants for Mexico were unemployed before coming here. What about the people starving in Africa? Just tough love for them? I'm sure they would mow your lawn just for food.

70% of statistics are made up.

89% of ATPN threads are flame fests

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We don't need doctors and engineers, just cheap labor? LMAO, right. What this country needs is a good 5 cent cigar.

What this country needs is a polititian that is worth more than a plugged nickel.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Maybe one of you anti-immigration folks should sue the country for falsely advertising 'Land of Opportunity', and ship that damn statue back too, it gives everyone a wrong idea.

People should know better now that we have all the whites we want that immigration is a outdated concept and should be only regulated to a few who go through our bureaucracy.

Racist much?

(the second line was /sarcasm if you didnt pick that up, it is making fun of anti-immigration peeps and the double standard of "waiting in line doing it the "right" way.)

It's true, this is how we got our current immigration laws. Racist tested, KKK aproved.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We don't need doctors and engineers, just cheap labor? LMAO, right. What this country needs is a good 5 cent cigar.

We do need a large amount of immigrants to replace those that are dying off from baby boomer age.

Can't expect them to start from the top, they are immigrants like we all were, give it 50 years and we will have a new middle class if done correctly.

Or, toss em out and lose a great oppurtunity handed to us.

Thats very true. Americans arnt having many children. Meaning I need more numbers for my SS checks to arrive. Hispanics deliver in spades.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Maybe one of you anti-immigration folks should sue the country for falsely advertising 'Land of Opportunity', and ship that damn statue back too, it gives everyone a wrong idea.

People should know better now that we have all the whites we want that immigration is a outdated concept and should be only regulated to a few who go through our bureaucracy.

Racist much?

It's true, this is how we got our current immigration laws. Racist tested, KKK aproved.

Because you say it's true? Sorry, that don't cut it for me.

I live in a pretty much all white area of the country, but my Doctor is from India and my best friend is from Mexico. I also have a good friend who is Native American. Heck, my cousin married a Native American and my nephew married a Japanese girl.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: conjur
But, yeah, bills that criminalize illegals, esp. as felonies, are not an answer.

Then what is the answer, conjur?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
We don't need doctors and engineers, just cheap labor? LMAO, right. What this country needs is a good 5 cent cigar.

We do need a large amount of immigrants to replace those that are dying off from baby boomer age.

Can't expect them to start from the top, they are immigrants like we all were, give it 50 years and we will have a new middle class if done correctly.

Or, toss em out and lose a great oppurtunity handed to us.

Thats very true. Americans arnt having many children. Meaning I need more numbers for my SS checks to arrive. Hispanics deliver in spades.

Just tie the SS payment to the number of kids you have. that would do wonders right there. LOL