Bill Clinton Fires up Democrats at Convention

[kage69]

LOL!!

Conjur once again fails to refute anything I say..

LMAO!!

...and once again you make yourself look like an ass. Don't you get tired of this routine? Your apologist drivel has reached the point where people are laughing at you as opposed to even considering you seriously!


Keep scraping the bottom of that barrel!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Again, I'll gladly post my PM exchanges with the Mods over this - all I need is their "permission". Now back to the issue
CkG

Yes, please post your "exchanges" with the mods and prove that you're as "unbiased" as you claim you are in enforcing the rules around here. Otherwise, just let the mods do their jobs and lock threads and dole out vacations as they deem necessary. You don't see me bitching about their decisions...

No, i never claimed to be "unbiased" so you can take your strawman elsewhere. I've already said I am not a MOD and don't have to appear "unbiased" here publically, nor does anyone else besides the MODs. So again this line of accusation by you and others is only a diversion away from the point that the rules were broken by someone who should have known better.
The MODs have not contacted me on this matter yet and I will not post them here without their permission because they were exchanged with the understanding they were "Private Messages" (ie not for the rest of P&N to read) but I have no qualms with posting the full exchange over the Perk/Crimson issue(July 15th & 16th - total of 8 PMs exchaged, in which only 4 were sent by me).

CkG

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Who died because of his Lie about getting some extra under the Oval Office Desk other than swimmers?

Who died because of his Lie about WMD???

No comparision, absolutely none. Repugs should be more than ashamed of themselves.

3000 Americans may have died needlessly if he ignored security warnings because he was getting 'busy in the oval office.. Not saying it WOULD have been prevented, but I'm sure he could have spent his time more 'productively'.

Are you claiming Clinton's cruise missile attacks on aspirin factories didn't kill any Iraqi's?

Seems like there is a comparison. We lost many servicemen and women under Clinton's policies as well..

LOL!!

Crimson's argument is SO lame! SO without ANY merit!

LMAO!!

LOL!!

Conjur once again fails to refute anything I say..

LMAO!!

really for the sake of arguement, assuming what you say is true, clinton ignores terror warnings, warns bush of terror, bush ignores terror. whats your point? that bush is no better then clinton on national defense? the clinton that is compared to all things evil by the repubs? thats your case for reelection? is that really your position? lmao indeed.

esp sad when thats your best fantasy arguement. the truth is clinton did far more against terror then bush did.

Regan?? talk about taking a trip in the way back machine...so what conjur, you don't care about the actions of people 30 years ago, but 20 + years ago is fair game???...nice

of course its fair in this case. reagan is diefied by the republicans regardless of how he bowed to terror. just shows how much value republicans really place on such things.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur
What about:

BEIRUT
Reagan did NOTHING to respond to the 241 U.S. Marines killed by Hezbollah.

TWA 847
What did Reagan do to respond to the murder of a U.S. Navy diver aboard that plane, hijacked by Hezbollah?

Regan?? talk about taking a trip in the way back machine...so what conjur, you don't care about the actions of people 30 years ago, but 20 + years ago is fair game???...nice

If we're talking terror attacks, why do we stop with the attacks that occurred during Clinton's presidency? The beginnings of Al Qaeda were formed during the end of Carter/beginning of Reagan, n'est-ce pas?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No, i never claimed to be "unbiased" so you can take your strawman elsewhere. I've already said I am not a MOD and don't have to appear "unbiased" here publically, nor does anyone else besides the MODs. So again this line of accusation by you and others is only a diversion away from the point that the rules were broken by someone who should have known better.
The MODs have not contacted me on this matter yet and I will not post them here without their permission because they were exchanged with the understanding they were "Private Messages" (ie not for the rest of P&N to read) but I have no qualms with posting the full exchange over the Perk/Crimson issue(July 15th & 16th - total of 8 PMs exchaged, in which only 4 were sent by me).

CkG

Yes, your inconsistancy has been noted.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No, i never claimed to be "unbiased" so you can take your strawman elsewhere. I've already said I am not a MOD and don't have to appear "unbiased" here publically, nor does anyone else besides the MODs. So again this line of accusation by you and others is only a diversion away from the point that the rules were broken by someone who should have known better.
The MODs have not contacted me on this matter yet and I will not post them here without their permission because they were exchanged with the understanding they were "Private Messages" (ie not for the rest of P&N to read) but I have no qualms with posting the full exchange over the Perk/Crimson issue(July 15th & 16th - total of 8 PMs exchaged, in which only 4 were sent by me).

CkG

Yes, your inconsistancy has been noted.

This so-called "inconsistancy" is shared by all members who participate here if they have ever made a comment regarding this issue so I'm not sure what your point is. Do you think that changes what Perknose did? Does it change the fact that Perknose knows the rules and yet broke them? Am I charged with the responsibility of being "unbiased" and "consistent"? No. The MODs are and for anyone to claim my charge against Perknose doesn't hold weight because of inherent "bias" and "inconsistency", we ALL have, is laughable.
Keep trying to divert it away from Perknose though...

The PMs are all exported(all 8 regarding the Perk/Crimson issue) and saved in a format ready to display on my website as soon as the MODs decide to give me the greenlight to post them. They have yet to contact me on this issue though.

CkG

 

[conjur]

Will you drop this intarweb drama already??

Jesus H. Fvcking Christ on a popsicle stick!

 

[InfectedMushroom]

CAD you are such a fvcking hypocrite. Are you trying to say you never engaged in personal attacks or insults?

I'm sure some digging around will show quite a few. Hell, I remember one of the top of my head that you directed at me, when you said i live "in the liberal armpit of america" a few months ago.

you are just a partisan hack who tries to shut the voices that oppose your point of view.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
CAD you are such a fvcking hypocrite. Are you trying to say you never engaged in personal attacks or insults?

I'm sure some digging around will show quite a few. Hell, I remember one of the top of my head that you directed at me, when you said i live "in the liberal armpit of america" a few months ago.

you are just a partisan hack who tries to shut the voices that oppose your point of view.

Nope- that's not what I'm saying and infact I've admitted many times that I've been guilty. You see, the issue here isn't me even though people are trying to make me the issue. You'd understand if you knew the whole story but alas it probably won't ever be told due to various reasons.
Again, I'm not saying I'm not guilty of "attacking" people but saying you live in the liberal armpit of America attacks your region - not you, incase you care - just like when people deride the south as hicks or bash the "bible belt". If I am guilty of a personal attack then I should face the same consequences as others who do the same as should EVERY single member here. Rules are rules no matter who you are or "why" it was done.
Will the diversions away from what was done ever stop? Am I now the target because of partisanship? The very same partisanship you accuse me of when I pointed out the rule breakage? Hmmmm....

CkG

 

[MoFunk]

Originally posted by: conjur

Who was in office? Bush.

Is this refering to the Cole? The Cole happened 10-12-2000 and there should have been action 10-13-2000. There were also numerous times that Clinton could have taken out Osama, and he chose not to!

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
CAD you are such a fvcking hypocrite. Are you trying to say you never engaged in personal attacks or insults?

I'm sure some digging around will show quite a few. Hell, I remember one of the top of my head that you directed at me, when you said i live "in the liberal armpit of america" a few months ago.

you are just a partisan hack who tries to shut the voices that oppose your point of view.

Nope- that's not what I'm saying and infact I've admitted many times that I've been guilty. You see, the issue here isn't me even though people are trying to make me the issue. You'd understand if you knew the whole story but alas it probably won't ever be told due to various reasons.
Again, I'm not saying I'm not guilty of "attacking" people but saying you live in the liberal armpit of America attacks your region - not you, incase you care - just like when people deride the south as hicks or bash the "bible belt". If I am guilty of a personal attack then I should face the same consequences as others who do the same as should EVERY single member here. Rules are rules no matter who you are or "why" it was done.
Will the diversions away from what was done ever stop? Am I now the target because of partisanship? The very same partisanship you accuse me of when I pointed out the rule breakage? Hmmmm....

CkG

You have started it as a partisan attack, so why are you surprised that we point back your hypocrisy?
Nice turn trying to play the victim, but it doesn't fly.

 

[thatsright]

DAMN MAN, He's Still Got IT:thumbsup:

 

[Gaard]

CADkindaGUY for Elite

:lips:

 

[1cito]

Originally posted by: Gaard

CADkindaGUY for Elite

:beer::beer::beer:

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: Gaard

CADkindaGUY for Elite

:lips:

hahahaha. yes i could hear the sounds of those lips smaking on CAD's ass all the way from berkeley. who said there are no republican homosexuals?

 

[Willian]

Originally posted by: conjur
Will you drop this intarweb drama already??

Jesus H. Fvcking Christ on a popsicle stick!

Im offended by you using the Lords name in vane, No need of it really.

 

[DealMonkey]

We need a "Hall Monitor" member status. All the annoyances of a real mod, with none of the power.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We need a "Hall Monitor" member status. All the annoyances of a real mod, with none of the power.

lol

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
We need a "Hall Monitor" member status. All the annoyances of a real mod, with none of the power.

Cheney might be avaible after november and he can tell every one to go fvck yourself !

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
You have started it as a partisan attack, so why are you surprised that we point back your hypocrisy?
Nice turn trying to play the victim, but it doesn't fly.

Eh? What was a partisan attack? Me saying you live in the liberal armpit of America? Sure -whatever...
Pointing out Perknose breaking the rules when he should know better? Yeah...as if partisanship or ideology changes what he did.
No, the diversion and obfuscation by some here is quite obvious. You/they seek to divert attention away from what I pointed out and onto me as if that is supposed to change anything. Attack the messenger sort of thing. If Perknose is able to get away with those sorts of personal attacks then does everyone else? Is that the message we are supposed to take away from this? Or is it that if there is some wannabe troll or troll in the thread that means we get to disregard the rules and blast away? Are these the guidelines we all can go up to without crossing?

CkG

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
You have started it as a partisan attack, so why are you surprised that we point back your hypocrisy?
Nice turn trying to play the victim, but it doesn't fly.

Eh? What was a partisan attack? Me saying you live in the liberal armpit of America? Sure -whatever...
Pointing out Perknose breaking the rules when he should know better? Yeah...as if partisanship or ideology changes what he did.
No, the diversion and obfuscation by some here is quite obvious. You/they seek to divert attention away from what I pointed out and onto me as if that is supposed to change anything. Attack the messenger sort of thing. If Perknose is able to get away with those sorts of personal attacks then does everyone else? Is that the message we are supposed to take away from this? Or is it that if there is some wannabe troll or troll in the thread that means we get to disregard the rules and blast away? Are these the guidelines we all can go up to without crossing?

CkG

Actually CAD, I took two messages away from this thread.
[*] Clinton is a good speaker.
[*] You pm'ed the mods multiple times to complain about Perknose. When I was a kid, we used to have a saying about people like you.



Alnd speaking of diversion and obfuscation, you weren't trying to take the focus of this thread away from Clinton's talent of orating with your post, were you?

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
You have started it as a partisan attack, so why are you surprised that we point back your hypocrisy?
Nice turn trying to play the victim, but it doesn't fly.

Eh? What was a partisan attack? Me saying you live in the liberal armpit of America? Sure -whatever...
Pointing out Perknose breaking the rules when he should know better? Yeah...as if partisanship or ideology changes what he did.
No, the diversion and obfuscation by some here is quite obvious. You/they seek to divert attention away from what I pointed out and onto me as if that is supposed to change anything. Attack the messenger sort of thing. If Perknose is able to get away with those sorts of personal attacks then does everyone else? Is that the message we are supposed to take away from this? Or is it that if there is some wannabe troll or troll in the thread that means we get to disregard the rules and blast away? Are these the guidelines we all can go up to without crossing?

CkG

Actually CAD, I took two messages away from this thread.
[*] Clinton is a good speaker.
[*] You pm'ed the mods multiple times to complain about Perknose. When I was a kid, we used to have a saying about people like you.



Alnd speaking of diversion and obfuscation, you weren't trying to take the focus of this thread away from Clinton's talent of orating with your post, were you?

This thread was on track for a good while until the trolls decided to come muck it up. In fact, we were ignoring the trolls until CAD stepped in with his high and mighty accusations. Nobdoy is defending what he said, we are merely pointing out YOUR inconsistencies in the way you criticize members of this board who have opposiing views. Proof is in the pudding, give me several instances where you have openly chastised members from the right for such personal attacks and I'll shutup. Facts are you only seem to criticize when its one of your own members being attacked, in this case it was definitely within reason.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
You have started it as a partisan attack, so why are you surprised that we point back your hypocrisy?
Nice turn trying to play the victim, but it doesn't fly.

Eh? What was a partisan attack? Me saying you live in the liberal armpit of America? Sure -whatever...
Pointing out Perknose breaking the rules when he should know better? Yeah...as if partisanship or ideology changes what he did.
No, the diversion and obfuscation by some here is quite obvious. You/they seek to divert attention away from what I pointed out and onto me as if that is supposed to change anything. Attack the messenger sort of thing. If Perknose is able to get away with those sorts of personal attacks then does everyone else? Is that the message we are supposed to take away from this? Or is it that if there is some wannabe troll or troll in the thread that means we get to disregard the rules and blast away? Are these the guidelines we all can go up to without crossing?

CkG

Actually CAD, I took two messages away from this thread.
[*] Clinton is a good speaker.
[*] You pm'ed the mods multiple times to complain about Perknose. When I was a kid, we used to have a saying about people like you.



Alnd speaking of diversion and obfuscation, you weren't trying to take the focus of this thread away from Clinton's talent of orating with your post, were you?

No, you like the others would be wrong on one part and right on the other.
Clinton is a good speaker - that I will agree with. And no - I was only pointing out the violation and it has turned into people trying to change the issue to me.

The place you go wrong is assuming what I PM'd the Mods regarding. I've already stated that what Perk quoted was misleading and I'm more than willing to present everyone with what was really said instead having people rely on innuendo. I was not complaining about Perknose specifically although it was about the Perk/Crimson situation.
But yeah, when I was a kid we had names for people who kept little lists like you. - sort of fun isn't it:roll: Dish and take.

***********************

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne

This thread was on track for a good while until the trolls decided to come muck it up. In fact, we were ignoring the trolls until CAD stepped in with his high and mighty accusations. Nobdoy is defending what he said, we are merely pointing out YOUR inconsistencies in the way you criticize members of this board who have opposiing views. Proof is in the pudding, give me several instances where you have openly chastised members from the right for such personal attacks and I'll shutup. Facts are you only seem to criticize when its one of your own members being attacked, in this case it was definitely within reason.

And none of that changes what Perknose did now does it? Didn't think so.

CkG

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
You have started it as a partisan attack, so why are you surprised that we point back your hypocrisy?
Nice turn trying to play the victim, but it doesn't fly.

Eh? What was a partisan attack? Me saying you live in the liberal armpit of America? Sure -whatever...
Pointing out Perknose breaking the rules when he should know better? Yeah...as if partisanship or ideology changes what he did.
No, the diversion and obfuscation by some here is quite obvious. You/they seek to divert attention away from what I pointed out and onto me as if that is supposed to change anything. Attack the messenger sort of thing. If Perknose is able to get away with those sorts of personal attacks then does everyone else? Is that the message we are supposed to take away from this? Or is it that if there is some wannabe troll or troll in the thread that means we get to disregard the rules and blast away? Are these the guidelines we all can go up to without crossing?

CkG

Actually CAD, I took two messages away from this thread.
[*] Clinton is a good speaker.
[*] You pm'ed the mods multiple times to complain about Perknose. When I was a kid, we used to have a saying about people like you.



Alnd speaking of diversion and obfuscation, you weren't trying to take the focus of this thread away from Clinton's talent of orating with your post, were you?

No, you like the others would be wrong on one part and right on the other.
Clinton is a good speaker - that I will agree with. And no - I was only pointing out the violation and it has turned into people trying to change the issue to me.

The place you go wrong is assuming what I PM'd the Mods regarding. I've already stated that what Perk quoted was misleading and I'm more than willing to present everyone with what was really said instead having people rely on innuendo. I was not complaining about Perknose specifically although it was about the Perk/Crimson situation.
But yeah, when I was a kid we had names for people who kept little lists like you. - sort of fun isn't it:roll: Dish and take.

CkG

We had more than just names for people like you CAD.......but hey I thought there weren't any personal attacks allowed?

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY


Eh? What was a partisan attack? Me saying you live in the liberal armpit of America? Sure -whatever...

CkG

whatever??? so let's just get over it, and not discuss your attack and insults?

as everyone else has pointed out, we don't like what we see you doing since it is obviously a partisan attack. when you point out to the mods someone with similar views as yours breaking the rules, than you can talk.

you have been getting away with personal attacks and insults by wording them fairly cleverly. should we take from this that it's ok to break the rules too as long as we word our insults nicely?

having saind that,... back to "whatever". i will drop it since i am not a petty, simple minded idiot that will keep bringing up something like that.