Bill Clinton met with AG Loretta Lynch privately in Phoenix

[Jhhnn]

Huh, not seeing a pic of Clinton as he claimed in his Twitter feed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Steve_Gallardo

There are several in my link, above.

 

[LunarRay]

Fine fine but nobody can convince me tha Lynch didn't do a clever end run around Bill's attempt to bribe her by meeting with him publicly but privately and doing mea culpa, I won't get involved and let the FBI nail his wife. I don't need no garlic and crosses cause I get up early. Why else would she turn an innocent, how are the kids into a what a fool I was disaster. You know nobody in Washington ever takes personal blame for anything without a greater self interest aim.

And besides, you're not running for office, but know, I wouldn't trust you if you were.

Let's see... Imagine Lynch telling the career DOJ prosecutors to not indict Hilary should they find a indictable issue. I doubt any amount of money or promise of position would induce Lynch to take such an action. So... just what might Bill have had in mind? Delay the FBI referral should that be forthcoming? What career FBI agent would let that pass without screaming from the rooftop? Nah, Ya gotta look to what might a motive have been before jumping into pool of insanity. I can't find a plausible one that Lynch might have been able to pull off Or Bill been dumb enough to think there was something beneficial she could do should she have been so inclined.

On your latter comment... It is not you who first must trust but me... And I trust me cuz of all of us I know me and that is something Socrates should have considered.

 

[Artdeco]

I think Bill was playing on his initial appointment of her to fact that Bill Clinton launched Lynch’s federal career when he appointed her U.S Attorney for the Eastern District of New York in 1999, one of the most coveted prosecutorial posts in the country. The prosecutor there oversees Wall Street and often handles cases involving New York citizens who are among the most influential and wealthy in the country.

I think he was also trying to determine her future ambitions as perhaps an ambassador or some other position in his wife's admin.

Perhaps she doesn't want to fly into a mountain either....

 

[LunarRay]

OMG, I've figured it out!

It's not Hillary it's Trump.

Recall that in the beginning Trump and Clinton had a phone call wherein Clinton promised Trump a position in Hillary's administration if he could knock off the much more viable Conservative candidates. To the extent Trump was successful the higher up would be the position. And, if Trump actually won the nod from the Conservative convention he had to insure he kept his unfavorable much higher than Hillary's.
Fast forward to now a days... Trump could be indicted for fraud regarding his University dealings so Bill sought Lynch's help in delaying NY's action or any action that might thwart Trumpy being the Republican nominee... Now it all makes sense.

 

[sportage]

Anything that happens that drives republicans NUTZ is well worth it.
There WAS NOT some "no contact" order in place between these two democrats, FYI.
There was absolutely no reason why two democrats could not say HELLO at some airport.

It wasn't like republican appointee Ken Starr never met with the republican leadership, in private, when he was actively investigating the Clinton's.
OH NO....
Republicans expect everyone to ASSUME they are on the up and up with the shit they pull.
Above reproach.
But two democrats at an airport?
Naturally, for republicans, THAT must smell of collusion.

Why should what happens in private between republicans be assumed on the level, where the same with democrats assumed to be corruption, illegal, and call for an investigating?

Hillary WILL be the next president.
Maybe Bill just wanted to ay hello to the acting AG.
Maybe Bill wanted to let the acting AG know that she was doing a great job, and the next Clinton administration might consider keep her on as US AG under president Hillary Clinton.
Maybe they just wanted to compare airline food.
"We only got peanuts. Did you get a meal? We never got a meal."

Gee... Seems I remember a closed door meeting between then acting VP Dick Cheney and the Energy Task Force. No one, at least on the republican side, thought that smelled of collusion. And considering Cheney's hands were covered with the corruption of dirty oil.
Dirty oil that directly caused American involvement in war, and the death of thousands of American soldiers. Not to mention the death of thousands of innocent women and children over as a result of that war.
And we wonder why terrorist want to blow us up.....

Not only should Bill have met with the acting US AG given the chance, the two of them should have checked into a hotel room together.
Give republicans in congress something to do during the first administration year of our next president, president Hillary Clinton.

I very much look forward to her second term as president.
The second term when Hillary will be re-elected in a huge landslide.
By then, the country will know it was smart indeed to stick with Hillary in the first place.
Yes, even the republicans will agree.

 

[Artdeco]

Anything that happens that drives republicans NUTZ is well worth it.
There WAS NOT some "no contact" order in place between these two democrats, FYI.
There was absolutely no reason why two democrats could not say HELLO at some airport.

It wasn't like republican appointee Ken Starr never met with the republican leadership, in private, when he was actively investigating the Clinton's.
OH NO....
Republicans expect everyone to ASSUME they are on the up and up with the shit they pull.
Above reproach.
But two democrats at an airport?
Naturally, for republicans, THAT must smell of collusion.

Why should what happens in private between republicans be assumed on the level, where the same with democrats assumed to be corruption, illegal, and call for an investigating?

Hillary WILL be the next president.
Maybe Bill just wanted to ay hello to the acting AG.
Maybe Bill wanted to let the acting AG know that she was doing a great job, and the next Clinton administration might consider keep her on as US AG under president Hillary Clinton.
Maybe they just wanted to compare airline food.
"We only got peanuts. Did you get a meal? We never got a meal."

Gee... Seems I remember a closed door meeting between then acting VP Dick Cheney and the Energy Task Force. No one, at least on the republican side, thought that smelled of collusion. And considering Cheney's hands were covered with the corruption of dirty oil.
Dirty oil that directly caused American involvement in war, and the death of thousands of American soldiers. Not to mention the death of thousands of innocent women and children over as a result of that war.
And we wonder why terrorist want to blow us up.....

Not only should Bill have met with the acting US AG given the chance, the two of them should have checked into a hotel room together.
Give republicans in congress something to do during the first administration year of our next president, president Hillary Clinton.

I very much look forward to her second term as president.
The second term when Hillary will be re-elected in a huge landslide.
By then, the country will know it was smart indeed to stick with Hillary in the first place.
Yes, even the republicans will agree.

You know, that has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen.

 

[Jhhnn]

The best part in all this is that if either Lynch or Clinton had intended corruption they *obviously* would have gone about it in an entirely different way. I mean, duh, Maynard.

Only the usual Mayberry Machiavellis can try to make it something it's not.

 

[Moonbeam]

Let's see... Imagine Lynch telling the career DOJ prosecutors to not indict Hilary should they find a indictable issue. I doubt any amount of money or promise of position would induce Lynch to take such an action. So... just what might Bill have had in mind? Delay the FBI referral should that be forthcoming? What career FBI agent would let that pass without screaming from the rooftop? Nah, Ya gotta look to what might a motive have been before jumping into pool of insanity. I can't find a plausible one that Lynch might have been able to pull off Or Bill been dumb enough to think there was something beneficial she could do should she have been so inclined.

On your latter comment... It is not you who first must trust but me... And I trust me cuz of all of us I know me and that is something Socrates should have considered.

When I heard that Lynch and Clinton met privately and in the political conditions and time that they did, alarms went off in my head that every crazy on the planet would see him or herself at that meeting reading into it every selfish feeling they had ever experienced. I called this having bad optics and personally I see it aa a lapse in rational judgement. Turns out that Lynch came to the same conclusion, too late, unfortunately.

What I did not do because I was not privy to the conversation was do what all the partisans on both sides seem to have done, namely, to come to some conclusion as to what was said. I have no idea what was said and I feel no need to have an opinion. I see that the optics are bad, that because it happened people will project. And because that seems to be what everybody IS doing, it appears that they are sure I am doing the same.

I believe the optics were bad. Lynch seems to agree. I win. Hehe.

If you want to suggest the probabilities that nothing untoward happened at the meeting, that is fine by me. Your logic makes sense to me.

 

[senseamp]

Crazies are going to vote for Trump anyways.

 

[WackyDan]

Late to the party... But I will leave this here.

http://www.redstate.com/california_...ous-meeting-clinton-violates-doj-ethics-regs/

and

https://www.justice.gov/jmd/ethics-handbook

She is in violation of the DOJ's own ethics handbook/code of conduct. She would know this. For those defending this meeting as simply two old friends talking about their kids and life I might point out that the conversation they had doesn't matter. She created an appearance of being unethical. It is convenient that it happened on a private jet, parked on the tarmac where a very private conversation could be ensured.

Those defending her are defending either corruption or stupidity. Please take your pick.

 

[shady28]

Late to the party... But I will leave this here.

http://www.redstate.com/california_...ous-meeting-clinton-violates-doj-ethics-regs/

and

https://www.justice.gov/jmd/ethics-handbook

She is in violation of the DOJ's own ethics handbook/code of conduct. She would know this. For those defending this meeting as simply two old friends talking about their kids and life I might point out that the conversation they had doesn't matter. She created an appearance of being unethical. It is convenient that it happened on a private jet, parked on the tarmac where a very private conversation could be ensured.

Those defending her are defending either corruption or stupidity. Please take your pick.

^^ This.

The way Clinton and Lynch have attempted to portray it, it's presented as if two people randomly ran into each other in a supermarket by accident.

As you pointed out, Bill Clinton met with her privately in a jet sitting on the tarmac of the airport.

The only reason anyone knows about this is that a reporter was tipped off about the meeting.

That meeting was no accident.

I find it extremely unlikely that he just wanted to talk about his grand kids, in fact I would say that believing that is what is delusional.

 

[Jhhnn]

Late to the party... But I will leave this here.

http://www.redstate.com/california_...ous-meeting-clinton-violates-doj-ethics-regs/

and

https://www.justice.gov/jmd/ethics-handbook

She is in violation of the DOJ's own ethics handbook/code of conduct. She would know this. For those defending this meeting as simply two old friends talking about their kids and life I might point out that the conversation they had doesn't matter. She created an appearance of being unethical. It is convenient that it happened on a private jet, parked on the tarmac where a very private conversation could be ensured.

Those defending her are defending either corruption or stupidity. Please take your pick.

Mayberry Machiavellis aren't reasonable people so that pretty much shoots the whole thing right in the ass. For them, Clintons & all Democrats are always guilty until found innocent only if they can prove a negative.

Gotta love the use of the word "surreptitious" wrt something done right out in the open, too.

The "appearance of impropriety" stems from their attitudes rather than from reason.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The meeting does appear to be a conflict of interest, and there's no way in hell the investigation didn't come up.

It certainly looks inappropriate. This is a situation which may have dire legal consequences and discussing it with a very interested third party strains credulity. Imagine if Trump was under a similar investigation and his wife got involved at the highest level. It would be the same thing, except not quite so much. Bill is a highly influential politician who should not have been brought in unless it was for testimony and then it should have been done through normal channels. Whether there was ill intent I cannot say, but if one wanted to look bad this certainly was the way to go about it.

 

[Jhhnn]

It certainly looks inappropriate. This is a situation which may have dire legal consequences and discussing it with a very interested third party strains credulity.

Your unwarranted assumption strains credulity.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let's see... Imagine Lynch telling the career DOJ prosecutors to not indict Hilary should they find a indictable issue. I doubt any amount of money or promise of position would induce Lynch to take such an action. So... just what might Bill have had in mind? Delay the FBI referral should that be forthcoming? What career FBI agent would let that pass without screaming from the rooftop? Nah, Ya gotta look to what might a motive have been before jumping into pool of insanity. I can't find a plausible one that Lynch might have been able to pull off Or Bill been dumb enough to think there was something beneficial she could do should she have been so inclined.

On your latter comment... It is not you who first must trust but me... And I trust me cuz of all of us I know me and that is something Socrates should have considered.

One can imagine all sorts of things. This could have been a clever attempt to cause Lynch to drop out since she's a fearsome opponent even for him. Lesser people are easier to manage. Then this whole turning the case over to Comey might have been Lynch's equally bright tactic of removing herself from a political storm. Pass the buck.

Regardless of her motivation, private meetings with a third party in a serious investigation? That doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Your unwarranted assumption strains credulity.

I peeked. There is no unwarranted assumption. An interested third party was invited to discuss an ongoing investigation. That's incontestable. Bill Clinton should have gotten no more access to the head of the AG than you or I and that should be zero. That would also include any Republican including Trump. You would rightly be screaming if someone interested in an outcome against Trump had special access, and we both know you would. Yet because it's Bill you accept anything.

One thing you better pray for is that no defense related information was hacked from Hillary's server. Might want to find out why and I'll let you stew with "the republicans this and the republicans that", which you cannot help but do.

 

[ivwshane]

I peeked. There is no unwarranted assumption. An interested third party was invited to discuss an ongoing investigation. That's incontestable. Bill Clinton should have gotten no more access to the head of the AG than you or I and that should be zero. That would also include any Republican including Trump. You would rightly be screaming if someone interested in an outcome against Trump had special access, and we both know you would. Yet because it's Bill you accept anything.

One thing you better pray for is that no defense related information was hacked from Hillary's server. Might want to find out why and I'll let you stew with "the republicans this and the republicans that", which you cannot help but do.

No assumption made except for the one you made after you said you didn't make one.

Was it bad optics? Absolutely! But that's about all it was.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No assumption made except for the one you made after you said you didn't make one.

Was it bad optics? Absolutely! But that's about all it was.

My assumption is that Bill Clinton met with Lynch in private. What part of that is factually incorrect?

 

[ivwshane]

My assumption is that Bill Clinton met with Lynch in private. What part of that is factually incorrect?

The part where you said he was invited and they discussed the case. Do you not recall what you just posted?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The part where you said he was invited and they discussed the case. Do you not recall what you just posted?

Yep, you are correct. Mea culpa. They might have been talking about anything.

It still was completely inappropriate and lynch knows it. I don't think Lynch is in collusion but she might have been asking discreet questions but discreet never is in DC. Dunno.

I am wondering at the motivation here because nothing Bill does is haphazard when it comes to politics. My suspicion is that the reason Lynch turned the case over to the FBI is due at least in part to the realization of the potential appearance of conflict of interest, which she herself mentions in the article I linked to.

 

[Jhhnn]

I peeked. There is no unwarranted assumption. An interested third party was invited to discuss an ongoing investigation. That's incontestable. Bill Clinton should have gotten no more access to the head of the AG than you or I and that should be zero. That would also include any Republican including Trump. You would rightly be screaming if someone interested in an outcome against Trump had special access, and we both know you would. Yet because it's Bill you accept anything.

One thing you better pray for is that no defense related information was hacked from Hillary's server. Might want to find out why and I'll let you stew with "the republicans this and the republicans that", which you cannot help but do.

You merely double down on your assumptions. What you claim as incontestable isn't that at all.

Whatever passed between them is unknowable. That doesn't mean it was what you claim. It's called jumping to conclusions & motivated "reasoning".

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You merely double down on your assumptions. What you claim as incontestable isn't that at all.

Whatever passed between them is unknowable. That doesn't mean it was what you claim. It's called jumping to conclusions & motivated "reasoning".

It was inappropriate and cast a shadow on Lynch's department. Lynch herself said as much. I don't suspect Lynch of illegal abuse, but it wasn't the cleverest of things to do by her own admission.

 

[ivwshane]

Yep, you are correct. Mea culpa. They might have been talking about anything.

It still was completely inappropriate and lynch knows it. I don't think Lynch is in collusion but she might have been asking discreet questions but discreet never is in DC. Dunno.

I am wondering at the motivation here because nothing Bill does is haphazard when it comes to politics. My suspicion is that the reason Lynch turned the case over to the FBI is due at least in part to the realization of the potential appearance of conflict of interest, which she herself mentions in the article I linked to.

Do you wonder why bill did the same thing to Ted Cruz? Do you ever wonder why bill engages with protesters at a rally?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Do you wonder why bill did the same thing to Ted Cruz? Do you ever wonder why bill engages with protesters at a rally?

Not really. Ted Cruz was a political opponent. Bill wanted to engage for whatever his reasons are with protesters. Bill met with the head of the agency investigating his wife at a most awkward time for Lynch, who again admitted it himself. Don't put yourself in those situations. It happened and Lynch realizes it now. Bill's motivations are impossible to know, but I never underestimate him in any capacity, for good or ill, and yes he's done some good things. Not up to Carter IMO, but I won't take the positives away from Clinton. Makes no sense to pretend they never happened.

 

[Artdeco]

Bill brokered that the Clinton Foundation emails wouldn't be released till 2018.