Dude, I'm not the Senate Majority Leader negotiating with Obama. It's just my opinion on a internet forum about what I think reasonable gun policy changes are and it's fine if you disagree, you don't need to get your blood pressure raised because of it. My ideas have as much chance of becoming law as Moonbeam does of becoming the national Poet Laureate.
There's also no easy solution to narcotics, drug addiction/od/etc often being more dangerous than alcohol, so you're basically trading one intractable for another. Also, while the black market funds much gang activity, crime is to a degree inevitable in economically deprived areas. Meth production for example in rural areas area, saved mainly by low pop density.
Legalize them. In countries that have legalized drugs, they have seen decreases in drug usage, overdose deaths, HIV rates, and addiction rates. Imagine having all of those benefits PLUS reducing drug gang related shooting deaths to almost zero. We're talking the elimination of thousands of gun deaths. Legalization of drugs is so far superior to any gun control proposals, I'm shocked that we're still even talking about gun control or assault weapons or magazine size.
I'll take some citations please!
https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-...-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.8DB9Zfboh
Here's one. Are you on my team now?
Sorry guy, I don't do teams.
As to supporting decriminalizing drugs? Sure, right after we have universal health care that also includes mental health and drug treatment, you know, like they have in portugal.
Legalize them. In countries that have legalized drugs, they have seen decreases in drug usage, overdose deaths, HIV rates, and addiction rates. Imagine having all of those benefits PLUS reducing drug gang related shooting deaths to almost zero. We're talking the elimination of thousands of gun deaths. Legalization of drugs is so far superior to any gun control proposals, I'm shocked that we're still even talking about gun control or assault weapons or magazine size.
I already stated that I might. I'm open to arguments.
While I will never own a gun, there are lots of things I'll never own that I have no interest in stopping other people from owning. I do wish there was more honesty from gun owners when it comes to why they own them... but I suppose that's just too much to ask for.
From your own link: "At the turn of the millennium, Portugal shifted drug control from the Justice Department to the Ministry of Health and instituted a robust public health model for treating hard drug addiction. It also expanded the welfare system in the form of a guaranteed minimum income. Changes in the material and health resources for at-risk populations for the past decade are a major factor in evaluating the evolution of Portugal's drug situation."
I wish you success at convincing the conservative gun clutchers of these progressive, nee leftist, social policies.
I totally agree. Drug use is a medical problem, not a criminal one. Let's stop sending drug users to prison where their lives are ruined and they learn to be violent. Let's stop making the violent drug trade lucrative to drug gangs.
I proposed a better solution to the problem than you did. You are now saying we shouldn't try to implement it because "conservative gun clutchers" don't want it. Do they want your gun bans? Since when do they dictate what we should do?
I am proposing that we save lots of lives, reduce HIV, drug addiction, gun violence and drug gangs. Are you going to oppose this idea? Because why? I'm telling you, you are on my team now. Own it. Love it. Admit it.
No, that's not what he said at all. He said good luck getting it done because it will be blocked by the right. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion you did.
Do you agree with anything else I said or is it still your life's goal to turn 5 million people into felons in exchange for saving perhaps 10 people per year by banning "assault rifles"?
You have yet to demonstrate how people would be turned into felons.
Proposed bans on 30 round magazines and AR-15 type "assault rifles" would force people who have never done anything wrong to give up items that have never been used to harm people. Or else become felons. Why do we NEED to send people to assrape prison for owning 30 round mags?
Do you agree my proposal would save more lives than any of the currently popular gun-grabber proposals? While leading to less drug addiction, fewer HIV cases, and fewer deaths due to drugs?
I must have missed where these bans were proposed.
As to your other proposal, I assume you are referring to drug decriminalization, I've already told you I'd support it so long as we also have the universal health care and mental health treatment to go along with it. So does that mean you support universal health care?
I proposed a better solution to the problem than you did. You are now saying we shouldn't try to implement it because "conservative gun clutchers" don't want it. Do they want your gun bans? Since when do they dictate what we should do?
I am proposing that we save lots of lives, reduce HIV, drug addiction, gun violence and drug gangs. Are you going to oppose this idea? Because why? I'm telling you, you are on my team now. Own it. Love it. Admit it.
I'm just pointing out that you're proposing a wholesale change in social policy which upsets conservative ideology even more than guns. Guns are just a wedge issue their elite use to rally the rubes, instituting "socialism" actually requires taking money out of the pockets of the wealthy.
You have missed where these bans have already occurred and prosecutions have already taken place. States have already shitted all over people's lives for nothing more than innocently transporting these items through the state.
I did indeed miss them and I still have no idea what you are talking about.
We need to turn drug use into a medical issue and not a criminal one, yes. Fully fund the medical treatment of drug use, sure. It vastly benefits society as a whole and individuals. Why do you hold the imposition of universal health care as a precondition to giving up the immoral, violent, and deadly war on drugs? You're acting like an asshole politician who will support the super good rule/law only if you can get your extra non-related shit passed as well.
I find it odd that you want to decriminalize drugs and you point to Portugal as your case study and yet you only want to imminent 1/3 of the solution. Decriminalization doesn't work just because drug users are no longer criminalized. It works because people can get the help they need to break their addiction. Sorry I prefer not to support half ass measures.
It is still the best solution I've seen so far. Can you agree on this regardless of whether we can get assholes to agree with it? I feel like you are arguing against instituting a policy that would save us from tons of murders, violence, gangs, and punishment of people who have never hurt anybody. Why is this bad? Why do you oppose this?
How did you miss this: "We need to turn drug use into a medical issue and not a criminal one, yes. Fully fund the medical treatment of drug use, sure." This is exactly what you and I are both in favor of. Are you seriously arguing AGAINST me? Why? We are completely in agreement on this issue.
Yep, he went full JohnOfSheffield.So Dave, I'm officially calling shennanigans on the "using an XM117 for its intended purpose" and being a secret veteran.
The FBI is most certainly not aware of every gun sale that happens or anything even remotely close to it. Background checks are only done on sales that come from dealers; private sales are conducted with no checks whatsoever. After Sandy Hook there was a push for universal background checks that had overwhelming public support but the NRA killed it.