Bill O'Reilly its time for gun control

[Perknose]

I humbly, but thoroughly, disagree. One small case in point: The guy who used to live next to me used to pop off rounds in his back yard, which was technically illegal. I have 3 and 1/2 acres, a stream and forest beyond it in back, and a big 'ol former farm on the other side from Plinky McPlinker. Yet, no home target practice for me.

Well, one could argue your neighbor wasn't a responsible law abiding gun owner, we both know you could have asked law enforcement to slow him down.

FFS, no. The guy was a lonely, aging, farm-raised country boy. He had the same stream with forest on the other side as I do. Nobody was imperiled by his plinking. It alarmed my wife when we first moved in, but I assured her he was harmless, which he was. I wasn't going to be an ass and call the damn cops on him.

He was popping off rounds with a .22 revolver that he often carried around in the back pocket of his jeans, the doofus. Now if he'd been spraying the trees with an AR-15, he and I would have had a very focused conversation.

But, hey, look at you, going on from behind your keyboard about who is and isn't "a responsible law abiding gun owner."

BOO! Hahahahahahaha. Awwww, did I catch you unarmed? :biggrin:

Anyway, I assure you that this larger convo is as frustrating and seemingly fruitless for me as it is for you. Way back in another time and place, I had to use an XM177 for its intended purpose. That extended experience cured me of the desire to play fantasy commando forever. It is my deeply considered opinion that no fucking civilian needs any sort of AR-15, period.

The 2nd amendment loonies who took over and politicized the NRA used the same damn persistant propaganda tactics employed by the Bolsheviks to hijack the 1917 Russian revolution and the Nazis to hijack the economic discontent in the Wiemar Republic in the 1930s.

Americans forget, because the fear peddlers know which buttons to push -- It's the Jews! it's the Kulaks! It's Willie Horton! It's the Mexican Rapists! It's the Mooslems! -- but 25 years ago 78% of us were in favor of stricter gun control and just 9 years ago, despite the rabid NRA fear campaign, 57% of us still were:

But FEAR sells. Distract, divide and conquer! The 1% counts on this, and continues to laugh behind your backs, manly gun patriots. Welcome to our real life Idiocracy. Trump for President!

I'm done discussing this for now. The blind intransigence of those who parrot the absolutist NRA line angers me. That so many of you here so eagerly buy into it depresses me.

I'll just leave y'all with these:

 

[LegendKiller]

FFS, no. The guy was a lonely, aging, farm-raised country boy. He had the same stream with forest on the other side as I do. Nobody was imperiled by his plinking. It alarmed my wife when we first moved in, but I assured her he was harmless, which he was. I wasn't going to be an ass and call the damn cops on him.

He was popping off rounds with a .22 revolver that he often carried around in the back pocket of his jeans, the doofus. Now if he'd been spraying the trees with an AR-15, he and I would have had a very focused conversation.

But, hey, look at you, going on from behind your keyboard about who is and isn't "a responsible law abiding gun owner."

BOO! Hahahahahahaha. Awwww, did I catch you unarmed? :biggrin:

Anyway, I assure you that this larger convo is as frustrating and seemingly fruitless for me as it is for you. Way back in another time and place, I had to use an XM177 for its intended purpose. That extended experience cured me of the desire to play fantasy commando forever. It is my deeply considered opinion that no fucking civilian needs any sort of AR-15, period.

The 2nd amendment loonies who took over and politicized the NRA used the same damn persistant propaganda tactics employed by the Bolsheviks to hijack the 1917 Russian revolution and the Nazis to hijack the economic discontent in the Wiemar Republic in the 1930s.

Why?

Is the .223/5.56 that dangerous of a round?

Is the AR-15 all that accurate?

Exactly what reason would there be to deny them?

No, the left has used persistent propaganda to demonize people by using statistically inaccurate and dishonest reporting. They continually conflate all firearm deaths and the AR-15. Why? Because people would otherwise realize that once you strip out gangs and suicide, the problem isn't a problem. It's a joke.

 

[Artdeco]

I wasn't aware you were in the military perknose, what was your mos?

 

[Perknose]

I wasn't aware you were in the military perknose, what was your mos?

You won't find any record of me being in the military anywhere, ever. I'm a civilian.

 

[Artdeco]

You won't find any record of me being in the military anywhere, ever. I'm a civilian.

So, what's all that about the suppressed Air Force full auto rifle (XM117) being used for its "intended purpose"?

 

[Perknose]

So, what's all that about the Air Force full auto rifle (XM117) being used for its "intended purpose"?

Not just the Air Force, Google Boy.

 

[Artdeco]

Not just the Air Force, Google Boy.

So, to have access to that weapon, not "being in the military" you would have to be CIA, perk.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So, to have access to that weapon, not "being in the military" you would have to be CIA, perk.

The Army and select Navy groups also had access to the XM177(Car-15)

 

[Artdeco]

The Army and select Navy groups also had access to the XM177(Car-15)

I just saw that, the NFA laws kicked in in 68' though. It doesn't appear these things got into civilian hands, and perknose says he wasn't in the military, and that he used one for it's "intended purpose"

That pretty much leaves the CIA.

 

[jackstar7]

I just saw that, the NFA laws kicked in in 68' though. It doesn't appear these things got into civilian hands, and perknose says he wasn't in the military, and that he used one for it's "intended purpose"

That pretty much leaves the CIA.

Now think about how far you want to chase down your theory.

 

[Perknose]

So, to have access to that weapon, not "being in the military" you would have to be CIA, perk.

I have a cousin who was career Company. To him, I'm a big flaming pinko. Anyway, you have no idea, and Google won't ultimately help you here, all the hare-brained schemes concocted by REMFs during 'Nam.

I have a lot of cousins who are 3/4 Irish. I'm only 1/4. The cousin above was the oldest of us all, so our paths didn't cross much. He might be the most hard-headed, though, and that's saying A LOT . . . maybe because he's the only male who's half Scottish and 1/4 Irish.

He never admitted it his whole career. Couldn't. Finally, long after the fact, at our last family funeral, while I was sideways teasing him about it, he threw his gold-faced retirement watch at/to me from half a big table down while spitting out, "Marine fighter pilot! Sharpshooter!" You can't make this stuff up.

The Native Americas had it right, "Today is a good day to die." Relieves the pressure, you know? Totally takes away any hysterical, fear-based desire to drape yourself in bandoleers or establish a defensive perimeter around your residence. :biggrin:

 

[Artdeco]

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[LegendKiller]

I have a cousin who was career Company. To him, I'm a big flaming pinko. Anyway, you have no idea, and Google won't ultimately help you here, all the hare-brained schemes concocted by REMFs during 'Nam.

I have a lot of cousins who are 3/4 Irish. I'm only 1/4. The cousin above was the oldest of us all, so our paths didn't cross much. He might be the most hard-headed, though, and that's saying A LOT . . . maybe because he's the only male who's half Scottish and 1/4 Irish.

He never admitted it his whole career. Couldn't. Finally, long after the fact, at our last family funeral, while I was sideways teasing him about it, he threw his gold-faced retirement watch at/to me from half a big table down while spitting out, "Marine fighter pilot! Sharpshooter!" You can't make this stuff up.

The Native Americas had it right, "Today is a good day to die." Relieves the pressure, you know? Totally takes away any hysterical, fear-based desire to drape yourself in bandoleers or establish a defensive perimeter around your residence. :biggrin:

You still have yet to justify why the .223/5.56 should be outlawed.

 

[Zodiark1593]

All semi-automatic firearms should be banned. Period. Won't happen any time soon, but it _will_ happen. Long guns, shotguns, handguns. And it won't impinge on anyone's sacred 2nd Amendment rights.

No BS about stocks, barrel lengths, magazine capacity. ALL semi-automatic weapons. We're already seeing a call for this and the end of the stupid "assault rifle" crap. Just a matter of time.

Well, considering how many semi-autos myself and many other people have, this will probably come well after my natural death.

 

[Artdeco]

So Dave, I'm officially calling shennanigans on the "using an XM117 for its intended purpose" and being a secret veteran.

 

[mandrake99]

Oooooh he is so mysterious.....

XM177 indeed.

 

[DrPizza]

All semi-automatic firearms should be banned. Period. Won't happen any time soon, but it _will_ happen. Long guns, shotguns, handguns. And it won't impinge on anyone's sacred 2nd Amendment rights.

No BS about stocks, barrel lengths, magazine capacity. ALL semi-automatic weapons. We're already seeing a call for this and the end of the stupid "assault rifle" crap. Just a matter of time.

The "assault weapon" crap is just that - crap. It's bizarre how ignorant people have formed an opinion that "assault weapons" are bad, but that's okay hunters, you can still have your semi-automatic hunting rifles. THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE between the two categories in so far as:
firing rate
how lethal the rounds are
capacity

Show the ignorant public two rifles, one the stereotypical "assault rifle," and the other, its equivalent, but with a nice wood-grained stock, and "ohhh, scary! That black one should be banned, but the one with the pretty wooden stock is okay for hunters to own." They're the same rifle you uneducated dipshit!


And, my grandchildren will likely die of old age before semi-automatic rifles and handguns are banned in this country. I think that it would take a new Constitutional Amendment, since these are the most common guns in America.


Apologies to those of you who fall into the "uneducated dipshit" category when it comes to firearms. An analogy you might understand. Suppose a bunch of idiots put spoilers on their Honda Accords, and neon LED lights under the body to make their vehicle appear "cool." Then suppose these idiots drove their cars into crowds of people, killing a bunch. The "assault weapon" ban is akin to banning Honda Accords that have spoilers, forgetting that all of the other Honda Accords without spoilers or LED lights are functionally identical.

edit: oh, and the previous ban on assault weapons was equivalent to allowing spoilers, or LED lights, but not both.

 

[jackstar7]

Oooooh he is so mysterious.....

XM177 indeed.

Tell him, Steve-Dave!



Idiots.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Assault weapons bans, do nothing feel good laws.

 

[jackstar7]

Assault weapons bans, do nothing feel good laws.

http://i.imgur.com/nyjKO.jpg

This repeated rhetoric just encourages people to say we need to ban WAY MORE guns.

Or is that the goal?

 

[LegendKiller]

This repeated rhetoric just encourages people to say we need to ban WAY MORE guns.

Or is that the goal?

That is the lefts goal anyway.

 

[SlowSpyder]

This repeated rhetoric just encourages people to say we need to ban WAY MORE guns.

Or is that the goal?

The goal is to show how silly assault weapons bans are, how little the do in any real way.

If you agree, but feel that then equates to needing even more guns banned, I'll have to disagree with you. And, I feel my position is backed up by facts and logic vs. the anti-gun position being largely based on propaganda and emotion.

 

[bshole]

The "assault weapon" crap is just that - crap. It's bizarre how ignorant people have formed an opinion that "assault weapons" are bad, but that's okay hunters, you can still have your semi-automatic hunting rifles. THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE between the two categories in so far as:
firing rate
how lethal the rounds are
capacity

No, I think we are saying that all semi-autos must go and capacities must be reduced to 4 rounds or less. Get rid of shortened barrels and pistol grips as well. That being said, we can't get rid of hunting rifles. They are the primary means of wildlife management and without them it would all go to shit. They are necessary and useful in this respect.

 

[Artdeco]

No, I think we are saying that all semi-autos must go and capacities must be reduced to 4 rounds or less. Get rid of shortened barrels and pistol grips as well. That being said, we can't get rid of hunting rifles. They are the primary means of wildlife management and without them it would all go to shit. They are necessary and useful in this respect.

The 2nd doesn't have a single word in it about hunting, I say ban everything.

 

[LegendKiller]

No, I think we are saying that all semi-autos must go and capacities must be reduced to 4 rounds or less. Get rid of shortened barrels and pistol grips as well. That being said, we can't get rid of hunting rifles. They are the primary means of wildlife management and without them it would all go to shit. They are necessary and useful in this respect.

Glad all of that was parsed in the constitution.