Billionaire Peter Lewis (progressive insurance chairman). Pot laws are stupid.

TechBoyJK

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/09/21/billionaire-peter-lewis-my-war-on-drug-laws/

Progressive Insurance chairman Peter Lewis has devoted many years and millions of dollars to reforming marijuana policy. Below, in his own words, he tells FORBES why he’ll keep battling drug laws. This story is featured in the latest FORBES 400 issue, newsstand date October 10, 2011.

Our marijuana laws are outdated, ineffective and stupid. I’m not alone in thinking this: Half of Americans believe we should stop punishing people for using marijuana. And not coincidentally, more than half of Americans have used marijuana themselves. I am one of those Americans, and I know firsthand that marijuana can be helpful and that it certainly isn’t cause for locking anyone up.

My story is fairly simple. I grew up after college in a world where social drinking was the norm but marijuana was hidden. When I was 39 I tried marijuana for the first time. I found it to be better than scotch. But it wasn’t until I had serious medical problems that I realized how important marijuana could be.

When I was 64 my left leg was amputated below the knee because there was an infection that couldn’t be cured. I spent a year after the amputation in excruciating pain and a year in a wheelchair. So during that period I was very glad I had marijuana. It didn’t exactly eliminate the pain, but it made the pain tolerable—and it let me avoid those heavy-duty narcotic pain relievers that leave you incapacitated.

I am a progressive by birth, by nature, by philosophy—that’s the name of the insurance company I ran as well, which is coincidental—but I am a small ‘p’ progressive. I don’t believe that laws against things that people do regularly, like safe and responsible use of marijuana, make any sense. Everything that has been done to enforce these laws has had a negative effect, with no results.

It’s become sort of a central philanthropic interest of mine—by no means my only interest. But I’m pretty clear. I’ve thought it through, and I’m trying to accomplish something. My mission is to reduce the penalties for growing, using and selling marijuana. It’s that simple.

I’ve been conducting a great deal of research on public opinion on marijuana. Change in this area is inevitable, much like the movement toward equal rights for gays and lesbians. An ever shrinking fraction of the country resists changing marijuana laws, largely for moral reasons. But change is coming. It’s just a question of when and how we get there.

When you think about all the people who have used marijuana—from political leaders to sports stars to corporate executives to people from every walk of life—one way to win this battle is for people to just be honest. If everyone who used marijuana stood up and said, “I use this; it’s pretty good,” the argument would be over.

I’m amazed that anyone could oppose marijuana for medical use. It’s compassionate. Doctors recommend it. But the federal government is so hung up on its war on drugs that it refuses to even allow medical research on marijuana. So I’ve *supported changing the laws state by state, and I’ll *continue to do so.

On legalization beyond medical use, we may be some years away, or we may find that we suddenly reach a tipping point, much like the end of alcohol prohibition in the last century. I’m supporting innovative ideas to move toward a system that would regulate, control and tax marijuana.

I’m retired; I have time to work on this, to treat it with the same seriousness that I treated my former work running a large corporation. I care deeply about it. I deeply believe that we’ll have a better country and a better world if marijuana is treated more or less like alcohol.

Awesome. Dude is pretty much rich and retired and is ready to go balls out trying to get things done.
 

Saint Nick

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Won't happen, ever. Government is too hung up on keeping everything the same and generating money. I'm all for MJ legalization and partake every once in a while myself, but I don't see this happening ever.

I could see it being legalized as a last ditch effort to boost the economy, but that is just a ridiculous claim.

Edit: What would help, IMO, is if the white collar users came forward to show it isn't the drug they think it is. Glad this is being published in Forbes.
 
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The breakthrough will take place when the chief executive of a major pharmaceutical company comes out and admits that he used marijuana for therapeutic use after an illness. On second thought, if that happened his handlers would quickly retract his statement and insist that he must have temporarily lost his senses.
 

Blackjack200

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There are still a ton of people out there that think that Marijuana is as bad as "Reefer Madness" suggested. That, and not the corrupting money, is the biggest barrier IMO.
 

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yet another "yes it will!" "no it won't!" "yes it will!" "no it won't!" "what's wrong with pot?" "it's EEEVIL" "it kills fewer people than alcohol" "but but but" "blah blah blah" "whine whine whine" thread
 
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This is like convincing whirlpool they shouldn't make washers and dryers anymore... It's a HUGE source of revenue for the government, and like it or not taxing it won't pay the DEA and ATF to continue to stay staffed up.
 

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This is like convincing whirlpool they shouldn't make washers and dryers anymore... It's a HUGE source of revenue for the government, and like it or not taxing it won't pay the DEA and ATF to continue to stay staffed up.

Er, you have that backwards. It's a source of government expense. It would become a revenue source when legalized and taxed. But as you point out correctly, a few government agenices would lose some funding and importance and they're against that happening.
 
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Of course marijuana will be decriminalized or legalized. It's already happening across a number of states and countries. Marijuana is viewed as a dangerous narcotic by old people who set policy, but not by young people who will be the policy-makers of the future. As public opinion and personal history of lawmakers swing towards the rational approach that marijuana does not belong listed with methamphetamines or PCP, you will see decriminilization and eventually legalization. Will it happen in our lifetimes? Maybe not; these things always take longer than you think they should. But given the strides that the "legalize it" crowd has made within the last 20 years, there's absolutely no reason to think that marijuana will remain illegal forever.
 

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Won't happen, ever. Government is too hung up on keeping everything the same and generating money. I'm all for MJ legalization and partake every once in a while myself, but I don't see this happening ever.

I could see it being legalized as a last ditch effort to boost the economy, but that is just a ridiculous claim.

Edit: What would help, IMO, is if the white collar users came forward to show it isn't the drug they think it is. Glad this is being published in Forbes.

Thankfully its very clear that you are completely wrong. Things are already changing, and fast. Once the ball started rolling ...

Its only a matter of time, an utter inevitability
 

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The breakthrough will take place when the chief executive of a major pharmaceutical company comes out and admits that he used marijuana for therapeutic use after an illness. On second thought, if that happened his handlers would quickly retract his statement and insist that he must have temporarily lost his senses.

"he was smoking dope of course he's out of his senses"
 

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Private prison companies will stop this thing....because the number of people in prisons will go down dramatically.
 
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That is cool. Guy gets stoned off his ass and walks around his mansion probably like whoa. lol. I wonder what kind of crazy shit he's bought or ordered while being high.
 
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That is cool. Guy gets stoned off his ass and walks around his mansion probably like whoa. lol. I wonder what kind of crazy shit he's bought or ordered while being high.
He said he smoked pot to alleviate the pain of having his leg amputated; I don't think he's doing much walking these days.
 

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yet another "yes it will!" "no it won't!" "yes it will!" "no it won't!" "what's wrong with pot?" "it's EEEVIL" "it kills fewer people than alcohol" "but but but" "blah blah blah" "whine whine whine" thread
LOL.

Looks about right. Haha
 

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yet another "yes it will!" "no it won't!" "yes it will!" "no it won't!" "what's wrong with pot?" "it's EEEVIL" "it kills fewer people than alcohol" "but but but" "blah blah blah" "whine whine whine" thread

LOL.. So true.

That said, the article gets a huge thumbsup from me.

You've got to be a huge brainwashed idiot to believe that marijuana truly should be against the law, when you look at everything objectively.

It's not about protecting people from themselves because alcohol and cigarettes are legal. So what is it about then? It's because our first drug Czar, Henry Anslinger, had a huge hardon for making it illegal. Nothing more.

Fact: It took an amendment to the constituion to make alcohol illegal.

Why didn't it take an amendment to the constitution to make marijuana illegal? Because Anslinger found a loophole in our own system. What does it say about the state of politics when the government can find loopholes in its own systems? How convenient. Enter the Marijuana Tax Act.

Really, we should be outraged at the way this was handled by our government. They knew they couldn't make it illegal any other way, so they beat their own system. It's fairly upsetting, to be honest.
 
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Of course marijuana will be decriminalized or legalized. It's already happening across a number of states and countries. Marijuana is viewed as a dangerous narcotic by old people who set policy
You realize they said the same thing 40 years ago right?

It seems like people get dumber as they age. They forget about things like evidence and published research and instead rely on TV. Quite a few of the older people I know admit to being hippies in their younger days and enjoyed the experience but are still against making them legal. All of the old people on this forum and all of the parents of the young people on this forum have done LSD or mushrooms at least once. They didn't go crazy or start killing people, yet they insist "someone else" might do it.
 

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You realize they said the same thing 40 years ago right?

It seems like people get dumber as they age. They forget about things like evidence and published research and instead rely on TV. Quite a few of the older people I know admit to being hippies in their younger days and enjoyed the experience but are still against making them legal. All of the old people on this forum and all of the parents of the young people on this forum have done LSD or mushrooms at least once. They didn't go crazy or start killing people, yet they insist "someone else" might do it.
All of those drugs should be legal. And people should be severely punished for committing crimes while high. Anything can be abused, including alcohol, coffee, and fast food. But what a person puts in their body should be their business.
 

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Nobody that has ever done LSD or mushrooms would say that.

Some of the research coming out about mushrooms is especially telling. Many of the people they're researching put their first experience with mushrooms as the most profound event in their entire lives - and they aren't studying teenagers.

It's a good thing to expand your mind.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html
 
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bfdd

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Drug laws are stupid period. They stifle industry and harm innocent people who do nothing more than want to bring some happiness into their lives. Drugs would be safer if they were legal, if you're against the legalization of drugs you're just a straight up hater.
 

LikeLinus

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Nobody that has ever done LSD or mushrooms would say that.

Some of the research coming out about mushrooms is especially telling. Many of the people they're researching put their first experience with mushrooms as the most profound event in their entire lives - and they aren't studying teenagers.

It's a good thing to expand your mind.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html

It was a group of 36 people and only 1/3 said that. So 10-11 people = Many?

"Psychological tests and subjects’ own reports showed no harm to study participants, though some admitted extreme anxiety or other unpleasant effects in the hours following the psilocybin capsule."

So what do you think would happen with long term use? If short term they are having extreme anxiety and other "unpleasant effects"....makes you wonder.
 
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You realize they said the same thing 40 years ago right?
Indeed. And women first got the idea that they should have the right to vote in the mid-1800s, roughly 70 years before it actually happened. People were arguing that slavery should be abolished during the founding of the US, but it took another 90 years for it to become law. The temprance movement took well over a century to get alcohol banned in the US, and the collective desire of everyone in the country to get blasted out of their gourd took only a further 14 years to get it overturned... The point is, major legislation can take a long, long time. That's why I questioned whether we'd see legal marijuana in our lifetimes in my earlier post. But I think it's pretty clear that it will be completely legal at some future date.
 
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