Bin Laden tells Iraqis to boycott elections

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Doesn't take much to be an infidel nowadays, does it.

"Dear Iraqi Citizens,

If you take advantage of your newly gained Liberty to vote for those you judge to be best suited to handle the affairs of your own government, you will be deemed an infidel and killed, probably in a horrible fashion. Instead we recommend that you sit tight until such time as Al Quaeda is able to install a good, proper, fundamentalist Islamic government that can bind your women properly and force everyone to revere Allah in the way WE see fit.

Thanks for your cooperation, and have a nice martyrdom!"

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I don't get that part, once they have a government, let them handle their own sh!t. Why do we need to sit around holding their hands for 5 years? I mean, if the people as a whole don't want Democracy enough to hold on to it when it's dumped in their laps, how will they EVER learn to hold on to it? What will change in 5 years that will make it more likely they'll keep things under control if we pull out?

Well see, it's like this. They're *just* getting their hands on freedom and democratic representation. There's a darn good chance they won't know just what to do with it, and it will take some getting used to the idea that you can badmouth your president and yet *not* get fed feet-first into a plastic chipper. In a sense the Iraqi's are like children who are just being introduced to the concept that yes, you CAN live your own life and NO, you don't have to be terrified to voice your own opinion.

Sad, but true. I'm sure they'll get used to it in a few years though, and then maybe they can start "poisoning" the rest of the region with their new found ideas.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: DeeKnow

Originally posted by: Train
what an Idiot,

So if all the Iraqis who would actually listen to OBL didnt vote, the people who get elected are likely to be those who would be LEAST supported by OBL, and his followers. go figure.

he's not an idiot..... he may be a low-life but he has a higher IQ than Bush and Rummy and Condi put together

he knows he and his followers will not win an election... so rather than be mariginalized in a democracy, he will get his supporters to boycott the whole thing and disrupt the process as much as possible. that way, after the good guys win, they can legitimately claim the whole process and its result as flawed and that therefore they continue to attack the establishment

I don't see how that will legitimize any claim of the election being flawed. If I want Candidate A to win over B, but B isn't on the ballot so I refuse to vote at all, that doesn't invalidate the election at all.

Besides, what could be flawed about the GOOD guys (YOUR term! winning?

Jason

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: DeeKnow
he's not an idiot..... he may be a low-life but he has a higher IQ than Bush and Rummy and Condi put together

Haha. Where do you get off denigrating Ms. Rice's intelligence? How many professorships have you held in the Ivy Leagues in your lifetime? Fellowships? Board directorships? She'd make you cry like a little baby in a no-holds-barred debate.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So...

What if Iraqis decide to install an Islamic fundamentalist anti-US govt?

I assume it would be OK with everyone, since it would be democracy in action.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So...

What if Iraqis decide to install an Islamic fundamentalist anti-US govt?

I assume it would be OK with everyone, since it would be democracy in action.

So be it.

Our government has already stated that if they ask us to leave, then we would leave. If they ask us to leave, would we?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So...

What if Iraqis decide to install an Islamic fundamentalist anti-US govt?

I assume it would be OK with everyone, since it would be democracy in action.

Actually I think we should forbid such an attempt. An Islamic Fundamentalist government would STILL be an afront to individual rights. We might as well let the South "whup them naggers" back onto the cotton fields, because it would be JUST AS RIGHT. Except, of course that it would be COMPLETELY WRONG.

Slavery is immoral, whether you vote for it or not.

Jason

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So...

What if Iraqis decide to install an Islamic fundamentalist anti-US govt?

I assume it would be OK with everyone, since it would be democracy in action.

Actually I think we should forbid such an attempt.
Jason

Ah, so the people of Iraq can choose...so as long as they choose who and what form of government that we want/approve. Democracy in action indeed.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So...

What if Iraqis decide to install an Islamic fundamentalist anti-US govt?

I assume it would be OK with everyone, since it would be democracy in action.

Actually I think we should forbid such an attempt. An Islamic Fundamentalist government would STILL be an afront to individual rights. We might as well let the South "whup them naggers" back onto the cotton fields, because it would be JUST AS RIGHT. Except, of course that it would be COMPLETELY WRONG.

Slavery is immoral, whether you vote for it or not.

Jason

No, slaves did not vote themselves into slavery, nor does everyone "think American". What if they value their religious institutions more than individual liberty? What if they do not choose to place the same values on them?

What you propose is pretty much what Henry Ford did years ago. Anyone could pick any color for their Ford, as long as it was black. You can have any government you choose, as long as it is an American government.

What you are in effect saying is they must choose democracy over self determination, and you are their judge.


That is the problem Alex, people put their values on others and would force it at the point of a gun if necessary.

Within their borders, if they choose to swing their metaphorical fist, as long as it doesn't cross into another country and land on someone elses nose, they have the right to do so.

Their true freedom includes options you or I might not chooses for ourselves.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So...

What if Iraqis decide to install an Islamic fundamentalist anti-US govt?

I assume it would be OK with everyone, since it would be democracy in action.

Actually I think we should forbid such an attempt.
Jason

Ah, so the people of Iraq can choose...so as long as they choose who and what form of government that we want/approve. Democracy in action indeed.

Well, hypothetically speaking, it wouldn't need to be that obvious. Just filter the available candidate pool to include only the ones you approve, then you won't have to fuss over who is voted in.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Bin Laden is just being consistant. He believes that a Democracy is an afront to God as God is supposed to pick the leaders, not the people. Therefor they are infidels if they participate.

Actually, I don't think bin Laden believes in God any more than any leader who uses religion to manipulate people. The suicide front line dummies are the ones who get conned by the whole "God's will" arguments, but I seriously doubt the people at the top really believe all that crap. I'm sure Bin Laden would like Bin Laden to pick Iraq's new leader. I could be wrong though, but religious nut jobs usually are too stupid to have the power and influence Bin Laden does.

Edit: To clarify, I think Bin Laden is a regular nut job who's figured out that religion is an excellent way to manipulate people.

No he does believe in his religious rabbalings. If he didn't he wouldn't of went to Afghanistan to go fight the Russians and later on stay to help the Taliban goverment. He is a nutcase I agree but he is also a religous nutcase who believes his on hype. In other words he has gotten high off his on supply.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So...

What if Iraqis decide to install an Islamic fundamentalist anti-US govt?

I assume it would be OK with everyone, since it would be democracy in action.

So be it.

Our government has already stated that if they ask us to leave, then we would leave.

Actions speak louder then words.

If they ask us to leave, would we?

Again what this administration says and what it will do are two different things IMHO.

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: wchou
I think the news need to shut up already... bin laden this, bin laden that... when will they stop with all this bs???

when you can lock him away

They think we are retards that would believe anything they say? Quite it out already, news media can go to hell.

sure... someone elected Bush, didn't they??

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: DeeKnow
he's not an idiot..... he may be a low-life but he has a higher IQ than Bush and Rummy and Condi put together

Haha. Where do you get off denigrating Ms. Rice's intelligence? How many professorships have you held in the Ivy Leagues in your lifetime? Fellowships? Board directorships? She'd make you cry like a little baby in a no-holds-barred debate.

zero professorships... board directorships? nada...... i'm sure she'd make me cry...

only thing is, if someone told me to go to war halfway across the world , and drag half a million soldiers there cause some despot is gathering nukes, i'd ask to see some proof.... simple.

intelligence is not a complicated thing

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
So...

What if Iraqis decide to install an Islamic fundamentalist anti-US govt?

I assume it would be OK with everyone, since it would be democracy in action.

Actually I think we should forbid such an attempt.
Jason

Ah, so the people of Iraq can choose...so as long as they choose who and what form of government that we want/approve. Democracy in action indeed.

Well, hypothetically speaking, it wouldn't need to be that obvious. Just filter the available candidate pool to include only the ones you approve, then you won't have to fuss over who is voted in.

in that case, why didn't we save ourselves $87 billion and 1400 lives and just let the Iranians handle it? they've been doing that stuff for ages... they have it down to an art-form