Bioware employees creating fake DA2 reviews on metacritic

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nageov3t

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EA essentially confirmed that they did this.

http://kotaku.com/#!5782097/dragon-age-ii-dev-rates-his-own-game-on-metacritic-ea-bets-obama-voted-for-himself-too






i'd half way expect someone to find confirmation of them paying for glowing reviews on this one ala kane and lynch after an admission like this.
if the employees were actually playing the game, I don't think it's out of line for them to vote for themselves (similar to academy members voting for themselves at the oscars or someone running for office voting for themselves on the ballot)... less so if said employees had no experience with the game and created accounts just for the purpose of drumming up their score.

but it's all such bullshit anyways that I wouldn't lose sleep over it, and I don't think it's much different than people voting 0/10 just because it didn't live up to their own expectations. I'll read video game reviews, but mostly just to get an impression of stuff like gameplay mechanics -- not because I'd trust the reviewers actual opinion.
 

Drako

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I played Dragon Age: Origins on the PC. I enjoyed it enough to play through the entire game + expansion and bought some of the DLC packages, but not so much that I played through it multiple times; it was probably an 8/10 for me.

after hearing about "omg consolization" for DA2, I figured if the same was designed for consoles, I may as well just buy it for my xbox. I don't know if it's me or the fact that I'm playing it on a console, but I seem to be enjoying it a lot more than people who are playing it on the PC. I'd probably rate it a 7/10 -- above average -- taking away points for the reused dungeons (though even with varied dungeons, DA:O felt a lot more like a dungeon crawler slog to me sometimes) and the lack of an awesome overarching story.

I pretty much agree with everything you said here.

I played DA:O on the PC and have been playing DA2 on the XBox. I would actually rate it a bit higher than you, and 8/10 as a console gaming experience. The main disappointment for me is the lackluster story arc.
 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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Unless they created multiple accounts to boost reviews, I don't see the problem. As long as it's one review per person they're entitled to review it as they damn well please. The fact that they used the same handles for metacritic as they do elsewhere kind of shows that they weren't trying to hide or get away with anything.

Haters gonna hate
 

skace

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Imagine if the DA2 game came out first, and the DA:O engine was the sequel. The first game would have done well, and the second would have done even better with awesome reviews. That is what happens when a sequel is far superior to the original.

Or the series might have died and never gotten a sequel.
 

Red Hawk

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There were no points. You just spouted ill-conceived insults and try to pass them off as an argument. Equivalent:

Or maybe the critics are letting money cloud their judgment while users don't let such petty motives cloud their reviews.

Except there is no evidence that game critics commonly do that. Literally gamers just see what they think are bad games getting good reviews and they think, "OMG the critics must have been bought off!"

Thinking video game critics aren't bought off and regularly so is about as naive as you can get, and EA is the company famous for doing so (See the whole deal with Kane and Lynch)(not that they're the only ones).

Bribery was never confirmed in that case, and that's just a single example.

But speaking of EA, let's look at Dante's Inferno. It was one of their biggest games at the beginning of last year. They were clearly willing to spend money on advertising it, even getting a Superbowl commercial. And yet, the Xbox 360 metacritic review score was 73, and the PS3 score was 75. If EA was buying off critics, shouldn't the game have reached at least a mid-high 80s total? Much-maligned places like IGN and Gamespot actually ended up giving the game scores of 75 and 65, respectively.
 
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Maximilian

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Except there is no evidence that game critics commonly do that. Literally gamers just see what they think are bad games getting good reviews and they think, "OMG the critics must have been bought off!"



Bribery was never confirmed in that case, and that's just a single example.

But speaking of EA, let's look at Dante's Inferno. It was one of there biggest games at the beginning of last year. They were clearly willing to spend money on advertising it, even getting a Superbowl commercial. And yet, the Xbox 360 metacritic review score was 73, and the PS3 score was 75. If EA was buying off critics, shouldn't the game have reached a mid-high 80s total? Much-maligned places like IGN and Gamespot actually ended up giving the game scores of 75 and 65, respectively.

EA dosent have the money or clout to buy every reviewer off anymore, their glory days are finished, kicked to a distant second place by the much less evil activision blizzard.
 

Red Hawk

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Less evil? It's the company that destroyed Infinity Ward and took away servers for Modern Warfare 2 on PC. Not to mention it's headed by gaming's #1 own worst enemy, Bobby Kotick.
 

gorcorps

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Jesus... some of you guys are blaming EA for shit they didn't even do.

Kane and Lynch was EIDOS! EA had absolutely nothing to do with that game. Eidos was the one that paid for all the advertising and complained to gamespot when they got a bad review. There's at least 3 people in this thread blaming EA for this. Is your hate that blind that you'll just plug in whatever horrible thing you remember happening and blame EA?

"Shit... remember when EA killed all them jews?"
"Yeah I hate those guys! But I think that earthquake they caused in Japan was worse."
"You might be right."

Dipshits...
 

thujone

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Unless they created multiple accounts to boost reviews, I don't see the problem. As long as it's one review per person they're entitled to review it as they damn well please. The fact that they used the same handles for metacritic as they do elsewhere kind of shows that they weren't trying to hide or get away with anything.

Haters gonna hate

the dev mentioned in the kotaku article deleted his metacritic account almost immediately after people discovered he worked for bioware.



i'd have no problem with this if they were just giving their honest review of the game... but it seems WAY shady that they all waited until the game started getting universally bad user reviews to start making accounts giving it all 10's.

not to mention the russian dev that asked bioware forum users to make metacritic accounts and give the game 10's before the game was even released in russia.
 

gorcorps

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the dev mentioned in the kotaku article deleted his metacritic account almost immediately after people discovered he worked for bioware.



i'd have no problem with this if they were just giving their honest review of the game... but it seems WAY shady that they all waited until the game started getting universally bad user reviews to start making accounts giving it all 10's.

not to mention the russian dev that asked bioware forum users to make metacritic accounts and give the game 10's before the game was even released in russia.

It's a bit shady, yes I agree. And maybe they were trying to hide it and just did a bad job, but the point remains that as long as they weren't spamming multiple accounts then they were playing by the rules. Toeing the line of those rules, but still on the right side of them. It'd be plenty easy to make a ton of accounts to drive up reviews but it doesn't sound like they tried that.
 

thujone

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but asking users who haven't played the game to essentially do what you just described... that's completely ok?
 

gorcorps

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but asking users who haven't played the game to essentially do what you just described... that's completely ok?

I haven't read what they said, so it depends. Every company/band/etc who puts out a product will also post something like "make sure you vote for us at *blahblahblah*.com!" But if they flat out said, "hey our grade is too low on metacritic, could you guys help us boost it?" then that's messed up. There's a difference there. I see bands post places to vote for them on facebook all the time. That's expected, and perfectly fine. But if they came out and said "we need to make our grade better, so you should vote 10 now before you even play the game" then there's a problem.

Again, I haven't read what was posted.
 

duragezic

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Not a whole lot different from those idiots who spam 1 star reviews on every so called port that they never played. If you ask me, most of these so called console port games are okay, Sure there are some issues with them generally but not much different than most games.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
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next time do that before you call anyone a dipshit, dipshit.

That post was entirely separate from the boosting reviews discussions. I meant I didn't read what they posted on the Russion site. I've read this entire thread, hence my disgust at people not knowing the difference between EA and Eidos.
 

fatpat268

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took me 5

Took me even less than that. When I saw how the battle system worked, I immediately quit and uninstalled. I think steam said I had 2 minutes in the demo.

That said, the spamming of 0's and 1's in reviews really kind of bother me. While the game didn't appeal to me, I'm sure if I bought it and stuck with it, it'd probably rate around 6 or 7 out of 10.

Likewise, it's really annoying when the internet universally gives 1 star reviews on Amazon for PC games that have DRM. Yea, some of the DRM sucks, but it doesn't warrant mass 1 star reviews.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Review Scores are generally useless. Professional or the culmination of many User Reviews. The Pros automatically give glowing Reviews/Scores for many games. Users are too easily swayed by completely unrelated factors, like who made the Graphics Engine("Quake/Unreal sucks!"-Fanboys, btw, Quake sucks!) or a slight edge is "AWESOME!!!!!111!!"/"TOTAL CRAP!!!!!!"

Youtube Gameplay Vids are where it's at these days. Instead of reading/listening to someone talk about it, go see the game in action.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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Took me even less than that. When I saw how the battle system worked, I immediately quit and uninstalled. I think steam said I had 2 minutes in the demo.

That said, the spamming of 0's and 1's in reviews really kind of bother me. While the game didn't appeal to me, I'm sure if I bought it and stuck with it, it'd probably rate around 6 or 7 out of 10.

Likewise, it's really annoying when the internet universally gives 1 star reviews on Amazon for PC games that have DRM. Yea, some of the DRM sucks, but it doesn't warrant mass 1 star reviews.

That's kind of why I'm starting to prefer the simplified good/bad voting system. A simple thumbs up or down doesn't tilt the tables as much as a zero or perfect.
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Holy crap.

This is beginning to impact whether or not I will reward Bioware with my hard earned money when it comes to SWToR.
 

BladeVenom

Lifer
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Jesus... some of you guys are blaming EA for shit they didn't even do.

Kane and Lynch was EIDOS! EA had absolutely nothing to do with that game. Eidos was the one that paid for all the advertising and complained to gamespot when they got a bad review. There's at least 3 people in this thread blaming EA for this. Is your hate that blind that you'll just plug in whatever horrible thing you remember happening and blame EA?

"Shit... remember when EA killed all them jews?"
"Yeah I hate those guys! But I think that earthquake they caused in Japan was worse."
"You might be right."

Dipshits...

Calm down. Just because a couple of people have a faulty memory, there's no reason to Godwin the thread. A simple correction would have sufficed.
 

Arglebargle

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After playing the demo, and reading some the design issues that caused people to not like Dragon Age 2, I gave the game the biggest Zero grade possible: I didn't buy it.

It's hovering around a possible five grading from me in the future: I might buy it when it goes on sale around $5.
 

Drako

Lifer
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After playing the demo, and reading some the design issues that caused people to not like Dragon Age 2, I gave the game the biggest Zero grade possible: I didn't buy it.

It's hovering around a possible five grading from me in the future: I might buy it when it goes on sale around $5.

So you gave the game a zero, and you never even played it?

You played the demo, and read other peoples reviews to make your choice - so sad.
 
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Maximilian

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Less evil? It's the company that destroyed Infinity Ward and took away servers for Modern Warfare 2 on PC. Not to mention it's headed by gaming's #1 own worst enemy, Bobby Kotick.

EA:
Killed bullfrog & all franchises
Killed westwood & all franchises
Killed maxis & everything except the sims

Activision has a long way to go before they can come close to doing the damage EA has done to PC gaming.
 

Dumac

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Dec 31, 2005
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So you gave the game, and you never even played it?

You played the demo, and read other peoples reviews to make your choice - so sad.

What the hell is he supposed to do?

Buy the game and play it to decide that he doesn't want to buy it????

You make no sense.

I'm assuming you thought that he meant he gave the game a score of 0, which he didn't. He's just saying he isn't going to buy the game
 
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