Birth of a forest

jmagg

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The house we're in now was built very close to a stand of old growth Maple, which runs the length of the property from front to back. We've been here 9 yrs, and this is the second time i've seen massive germination of Maple seeds dropped the year before. The germination extends over the entire 2 acres and beyond. Its somewhat hard to capture, but you can make out the green and purple Maple sprouts throughout. The earth is completely synergistic (without us), and never ceases to amaze.

 

BoomerD

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We have red alder trees behind our house. The seedlings sprout up EVERYWHERE.
 

Tsinni Dave

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We have red alder trees behind our house. The seedlings sprout up EVERYWHERE.
Not sure where you are but up here {Haida Gwaii} they grow like weeds. About six feet a year. They're an important stage in natural reforestation as they fix nitrogen into the soil. First grasses and mosses, then the berry bushes, then the Alders and finally the conifers grow up to replace them. I'm currently cutting down the Alders in my yard as I worry about them falling over now and the Cedars, Hemlocks and Spruce are big enough to screen my yard and allow my casual outdoor nudity to continue.. Clean Alder {no moss on the bark} is great for smoking Salmon. Great Adze handles too as the branches grow at a nice comfy angle to the main stem. Good carving wood too.
 

BoomerD

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Not sure where you are but up here {Haida Gwaii} they grow like weeds. About six feet a year. They're an important stage in natural reforestation as they fix nitrogen into the soil. First grasses and mosses, then the berry bushes, then the Alders and finally the conifers grow up to replace them. I'm currently cutting down the Alders in my yard as I worry about them falling over now and the Cedars, Hemlocks and Spruce are big enough to screen my yard and allow my casual outdoor nudity to continue.. Clean Alder {no moss on the bark} is great for smoking Salmon. Great Adze handles too as the branches grow at a nice comfy angle to the main stem. Good carving wood too.

I'm a ways south of you on Washington's coast. (Ocean Shores) Just behind my house is state wildlife land, with alders, salmonberries, lowland huckleberries...and salal. (that shit is the debil to eradicate)
 

repoman0

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I have about 1000 maples sprouting in my tiny city yard too right now … I’ve been admiring them for a week or so now. I am going to pick one in a good spot to tape off, avoid hitting it with the lawnmower, and nurture it
 

jmagg

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I have about 1000 maples sprouting in my tiny city yard too right now … I’ve been admiring them for a week or so now. I am going to pick one in a good spot to tape off, avoid hitting it with the lawnmower, and nurture it
That's one lucky tree.
Off with their heads here, got enough leaves to pick up.
 
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lxskllr

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That's a reasonable point, but I'm gonna have those anyway. Even if I skeeterproofed my property, I'd still get a bunch from everyone else.
 

BoomerD

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Be a cold day in hell before I pickup leaves. If they weren't supposed to be on the ground, they wouldn't have fallen.

I mow mine up along with the grass...add that to the compost pile. (It makes a nice mix of green and brown materials)
 
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Tsinni Dave

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I'm a ways south of you on Washington's coast. (Ocean Shores) Just behind my house is state wildlife land, with alders, salmonberries, lowland huckleberries...and salal. (that shit is the debil to eradicate)
Salmonberries, Huckleberries and Salal here too. Love a handful with dew still on 'em. I borrow a flail mower that eats Salal and Salmonberries up and mulches them all if they get out of hand. Most I leave because I'm a berry hound.
 

BoomerD

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Salmonberries, Huckleberries and Salal here too. Love a handful with dew still on 'em. I borrow a flail mower that eats Salal and Salmonberries up and mulches them all if they get out of hand. Most I leave because I'm a berry hound.
I don't care for salmonberries or salal berries...and the tiny little lowland huckleberries just don't compare to the mountain huckleberries.
 

Tsinni Dave

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The deer here are fucking vermin...and eat almost anything they can get to.
Yeah a garden fence needs to be 6 feet tall here and if you can cover the top too because of Blue Jays. A couple deer a year is great in the freezer or canned though I make sure to do it surreptitiously because I have some deer that hang out here that come to listen when I play guitar outside sometimes. They've taken to sleeping on or around my deck for some reason and I'm fine with that.
If you want to get rid of deer for a few years just tan some hides. They get the picture real quick.
 

Charmonium

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Just my $2 (the price went up, didn't anyone tell you?). I love stories like this.

Not to get off track, but has anyone had any luck with those motion activated deer chaser devices?
 

BoomerD

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Just my $2 (the price went up, didn't anyone tell you?). I love stories like this.

Not to get off track, but has anyone had any luck with those motion activated deer chaser devices?

The ones attached to a garden hose? They work pretty well...until the deer get used to them, then they just might trigger them to get a cool shower.
 

Charmonium

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The ones attached to a garden hose? They work pretty well...until the deer get used to them, then they just might trigger them to get a cool shower.
Huh. Haven't seen those but very imaginative. No, there are devices like this.

The one I have has a fairly bright light and you tune it to a radio station so it sounds like people - at I assume that's the point. So you probably want to set to an all talk station. And you can set it pretty loud. Mine is ancient so it uses 4 D cells and it can chew thru those pretty quickly if it gets triggered often or set the radio volume too high. But I'm willing to bet that anything produced in the last decade is probably a lot more efficient.

I noticed that Amazon's top picks are ultrasonic ones. So unless you see deer with hearing aids, that might be the way to go since they SHOULD find that much more irritating and are less likely to habituate to the noise.
 
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BoomerD

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Huh. Haven't seen those but very imaginative. No, there are devices like this.

The one I have has a fairly bright light and you tune it to a radio station so it sounds like people - at I assume that's the point. So you probably want to set to an all talk station. And you can set it pretty loud. Mine is ancient so it uses 4 D cells and it can chew thru those pretty quickly if it gets triggered often or set the radio volume too high. But I'm willing to bet that anything produced in the last decade is probably a lot more efficient.

I noticed that Amazon's top picks are ultrasonic ones. So unless you see deer with hearing aids, that might be the way to go since they SHOULD find that much more irritating and are less likely to habituate to the noise.

Maybe...I got a couple of ultra-sonic pest controllers in the 90's that were supposed to deter cats...didn't accomplish a thing. I'd find cats curled up right below where it was plugged in.
 

KMFJD

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was reading the failed NYT and saw this article on Haida Gwaii and was just awestruck at the caucasity of this statement

Randy and Gloria O’Brien own one of the biggest independent logging companies on Haida Gwaii, a firm that has also long had a provincial contract to service the region’s highways.
Over the years, as Haida leaders and environmentalists waged battle against clear-cutting, the overall supply of timber has decreased and hurt their business, the O’Briens said. They had been forced three years ago, they said, to log cedars from half of a 320-acre property they had planned to pass on to their children and grandchildren.
As power began shifting toward the Haida, the O’Briens said that elected officials had grown indifferent to their complaints.
“They won’t return phone calls, and Victoria, we can’t even get in there to see anybody,” said Ms. O’Brien, 73, referring to the provincial capital. The couple said they feared for their company’s future after doing business on Haida Gwaii since the mid-1970s.
“When we first came here, we met a lot of Natives and they became our friends,” said Mr. O’Brien, 76. “We partied with them, went fishing, went hunting, everything.’’
“But all of a sudden, now they’re — ” he said, with a laugh. “They’re going to be our overlords.”

 

BoomerD

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Yeah a garden fence needs to be 6 feet tall here and if you can cover the top too because of Blue Jays. A couple deer a year is great in the freezer or canned though I make sure to do it surreptitiously because I have some deer that hang out here that come to listen when I play guitar outside sometimes. They've taken to sleeping on or around my deck for some reason and I'm fine with that.
If you want to get rid of deer for a few years just tan some hides. They get the picture real quick.
Deer you say?



For those who don't know, the bare brown scrub in this pic is salmonberries during the winter. (the pic above is ferns and salmonberries in the early summer)



FWIW, all those trees are now gone. The city cut them down in 2022 saying they were interfering with the airport's flight path. (about 3/4 mile to the left in that pic)

That same area now looks like this:


 
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jmagg

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Over the last few years, some goof has been feeding the deer and other vermin with corn close by. Early spring this year, someone reported him (due to bear sightings in the area). We've had herds of 15-20 basically eating everything in their path including all of our plantings. Everything recovered nicely. I now despise deer, tick ridden bastages.
 
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Charmonium

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I'm gonna have to rethink how I feed the kitties if the fox becomes an issue. That's going to require some work unless I can find a hinged solid wood box. Then I just need to cut 2 holes - cats don' like feeling trapped. Plus, only the skinny raccoons would be able to fit.
 
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I'm gonna have to rethink how I feed the kitties if the fox becomes an issue.
Easier solution: put smelly food in the box and place it a bit higher where only a cat would be able to jump and reach inside while the fox would just go around in circles in absolute misery
 
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