Bitcoin is on fire again

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IEC

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Sure they do. Technical shows which part of the trend you're in.

Unless you're programming for HFT, technical is irrelevant. "Technicals" are relevant for HFT because everyone else is doing it, not because it makes any fundamental (har har) sense.
 

halik

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Unless you're programming for HFT, technical is irrelevant. "Technicals" are relevant for HFT because everyone else is doing it, not because it makes any fundamental (har har) sense.

I've yet to hear of anyone in the industry making money off any sort of technical analysis stuff; even ANN/machine leaning/GP is hit or miss at best and certainly the implementations aren't looking for heads/shoulder/cups/waves or any other such 70s nonsense.
 
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LegendKiller

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Yea, that's what pushed me out of finance. I can't imagine people who use money as a scoreboard and a way to judge self worth. Operations/Strategy is a waaay better fit for me.

Don't you ever run into moral hazard issues in your job? The money has to come from someone somewhere in a zero sum game. In essence the better you are at your job the more poor you make another. You can see this in how Wall Street salaries and bonuses have exploded at the cost of taking wage increases from other sectors. Is society really benefiting by having a 25 year old Investment Banker making $300k? One of my good friends lost his job at Citadel(when he was 20) because of moral issues and someone stabbing him in the back.

I saw the back stabbing, especially during the downturn. It was brutal. Every little thing that somebody could use as leverage, they used. My group went from 9 to 3 pretty quickly.

I saw some pretty amoral things but I wasn't in trading so I didn't see the worst of it.

Mostly I just saw stupid things. People just didn't understand the business they were in.

As far as this whole TA BS, it doesn't do a single thing for you. There's a reason why the wealthiest people in the world are not technical traders, they fundamental investors.

As halik said, the fools using TA as some proof of concept are falling for confirmation bias and reporting bias. They are more than willing to tell you when it works but are not willing to tell you when it doesn't. Furthermore, in investing, it is far better to be good than lucky because the margin of error is low and the severity is high. You only have to look at somebody like Ackman or Paulson (sino forest) to see that. Instead you look towards somebody like Seth Klarman or Gundlach and see what real investors are like.
 

AnonymouseUser

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BTC and LTC could make another quick run back to ~$1000 and ~$32 before they sell off again. Do not expect higher prices in the short term. The proper buy points would be $795.01 (gox) and $27.13 (btc-e).
 
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Train

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BTC and LTC could make another quick run back to ~$1000 and ~$32 before they sell off again. Do not expect higher prices in the short term. The proper buy points would be $795.01 (gox) and $27.13 (btc-e).

"proper buy points" ? dafuq? What are you basing this on?

It's not like a stock where you can look at actual fundamentals and put an actual dollar value on it.

To be honest it sounds like you are just pulling shit out of your ass.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Looks like the $32 target is low. Gonna hold for a higher price.

Current prices and moving up:
Gox $865
LTC $31.54
 
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Crusty

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I've yet to hear of anyone in the industry making money off any sort of technical analysis stuff; even ANN/machine leaning/GP is hit or miss at best and certainly the implementations aren't looking for heads/shoulder/cups/waves or any other such 70s nonsense.

As a programmer who implements HFT algos, I can confirm this.
 

D1gger

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I'm still trying to get my head around how bitcoin has any credibility as a currency.

Last week, a man bought a tesla for 91.4 bitcoins.

"The cash value of the car was $103,000, meaning that the equivalent value of the Bitcoins was $1,127 each."

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Now the dealer has these 91.4 bitcoins that are today worth $81,346. He just took a bath, or if he was lucky enough to sell them at $1,127 then the next person took the loss.

I see the speculative value as a pure investment, but I simply don't see how business can adopt them as currency.
 
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Spungo

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Rule of thumb: people say the exact opposite of what they mean. Saying "I will buy bitcoins in the future" means "I already own bitcoins and I want to pump and dump"
Why on earth would someone give positive attention and jack up the price of something they want to buy? Do you walk into a car dealership and start saying how much you love a certain car? No, you point out everything wrong with the car and why it should be cheaper.
 

Imp

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I'm still trying to get my head around how bitcoin has any credibility as a currency.

Last week, a man bought a tesla for 91.4 bitcoins.

Now the dealer has these 91.4 bitcoins that are today worth $81,346. He just took a bath, or if he was lucky enough to sell them at $1,127 then the next person took the loss.

I see the speculative value as a pure investment, but I simply don't see how business can adopt them as currency.

You're overthinking it, man. Just buy bitcoins.

You want to believe.
 

kranky

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BTC and LTC could make another quick run back to ~$1000 and ~$32 before they sell off again. Do not expect higher prices in the short term. The proper buy points would be $795.01 (gox) and $27.13 (btc-e).

Well, for those who bought at $795.01, they have only lost 30% of their money in a couple weeks.

Wonder if that Tesla dealer is still accepting bitcoins.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Well, for those who bought at $795.01, they have only lost 30% of their money in a couple weeks.

Wonder if that Tesla dealer is still accepting bitcoins.

I warned them it was gonna sell off, so if they didn't take their profits @ or near $1000/$32 it's their fault. I sold @ $1045/$34.75, and bought some back this morning.
 

halik

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Alienwho

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Ah, the inevitable crash I have been waiting for. Took a couple weeks longer to get here than I anticipated, but none the less. Now for how much to put back in.
 

SSSnail

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LOL, China may have participated in the largest pump and dump scam of all time, of all time man. Well played China, well played.
 
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