Bitcoin is on fire again

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SunnyD

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Did you factor in China banning bitcoins into your analysis?

Why does everybody keep saying China banned bitcoins. China didn't "ban" bitcoins. All they did was tell people that they could use bitcoins "at their own risk" without any backing of Chinese currency.

Honestly, it's pretty damn smart of China if you read between the lines. Chinese currency can't go into the bitcoin economy anymore, but in China you sure as hell can pull FOREIGN currency OUT of the bitcoin economy! How fucking shrewd is that? Just another way for China to put a stranglehold on the global economy.
 

mrrman

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My son told me that his friend has 400 bit coins in his account, he started this 3 years ago.
 

Spungo

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LOL, China may have participated in the largest pump and dump scam of all time, of all time man. Well played China, well played.
Indeed those bastards are smart. They're importing incredible amounts of gold, causing a global shortage of physical gold, yet the price of gold stays down due to very obvious price manipulation. Gold trading was halted 4 times in the last few months when someone sold millions of futures contracts at market price. Manipulation works by buying limit orders at a price slightly lower than the current price then selling millions of contracts at market price. This starts downward price momentum, and people will panic sell until the price hits the limit price. Gold leaves your right hand at $10 then your left hand buys it back for $9.
I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to do the exact same pump and dump on gold at some point. Why else would they want gold?

Honestly, it's pretty damn smart of China if you read between the lines. Chinese currency can't go into the bitcoin economy anymore, but in China you sure as hell can pull FOREIGN currency OUT of the bitcoin economy! How fucking shrewd is that? Just another way for China to put a stranglehold on the global economy.
They also called for a "de-Americanized world" and said it was no longer in China's best interest to stockpile foreign currency (they will stop inflating the value of the US dollars).
China's currency is on the rise and it people know it. The lack of faith in US dollars, Euros, and Japanese yen has led to a surge in "dim sum bonds" which are bonds issued in Chinese yuan. I love how racist that term is. That's like giving a loan to a black person and calling it a "fried chicken bond."
 

halik

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Oct 10, 2000
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Indeed those bastards are smart. They're importing incredible amounts of gold, causing a global shortage of physical gold, yet the price of gold stays down due to very obvious price manipulation. Gold trading was halted 4 times in the last few months when someone sold millions of futures contracts at market price. Manipulation works by buying limit orders at a price slightly lower than the current price then selling millions of contracts at market price. This starts downward price momentum, and people will panic sell until the price hits the limit price. Gold leaves your right hand at $10 then your left hand buys it back for $9.
I wouldn't be surprised if China decided to do the exact same pump and dump on gold at some point. Why else would they want gold?

They also called for a "de-Americanized world" and said it was no longer in China's best interest to stockpile foreign currency (they will stop inflating the value of the US dollars).
China's currency is on the rise and it people know it. The lack of faith in US dollars, Euros, and Japanese yen has led to a surge in "dim sum bonds" which are bonds issued in Chinese yuan. I love how racist that term is. That's like giving a loan to a black person and calling it a "fried chicken bond."

ROFL. You must jack off to zero hedge before going to bed.

There's no shortage of gold, if i wanted a shiny paperweight I can get it here for 23 bucks over GCG4 this minute:
http://www.jmbullion.com/gold/gold-bars/
http://www.kitco.com/reports/SB_20131213.pdf

Also you do realize that your slam and cover tactic works in the other direction too, right? But as per goldtard logic, it can only be manipulation on the way down.

Post a limit sell on the offer and slam the book with limit buy to try to induce momentum. Market goes up, people stuck short puke, you make money, CFTC will charge you with disruptive practices fines and disgorge profit.
 
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Spungo

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ROFL. You must jack off to zero hedge before going to bed.

There's no shortage of gold, if i wanted a shiny paperweight I can get it here for 23 bucks over GCG4 this minute:
http://www.jmbullion.com/gold/gold-bars/
http://www.kitco.com/reports/SB_20131213.pdf

Deutsche Bank implicated in price manipulation
Physical gold being sold far above the London price
US mint runs out of silver

To top that off, we've refused to give Germany's gold back to Germany. We don't have the gold. It's all gone. The amount of "paper" gold greatly exceeds the amount of physical gold.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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The sad thing is that a lot of people who are holding onto Bitcoin are young college students who have never participated in a bubble before. Some of them are still buying into the hype, and still think that Bitcoin is going to be worth $10,000 a year from now

I learned my lesson the hard way by holding onto some overpriced tech stocks during the .com crash of 1999, and watched them go down in value by more than half. At least I got out then before some of them went to under $2 a share.

If I had more than $500 in Bitcoin right now, I'd be unloading some of it quickly to avoid a similar situation.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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ROFL. You must jack off to zero hedge before going to bed.

There's no shortage of gold, if i wanted a shiny paperweight I can get it here for 23 bucks over GCG4 this minute:
http://www.jmbullion.com/gold/gold-bars/
http://www.kitco.com/reports/SB_20131213.pdf

Also you do realize that your slam and cover tactic works in the other direction too, right? But as per goldtard logic, it can only be manipulation on the way down.

Post a limit sell on the offer and slam the book with limit buy to try to induce momentum. Market goes up, people stuck short puke, you make money, CFTC will charge you with disruptive practices fines and disgorge profit.

I love how this $20,000 gold bar has a recycling logo on it...

http://www.jmbullion.com/1-kilogram-opm-gold-bar-new/

Someone has a sense of humor!
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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I'm still trying to get my head around how bitcoin has any credibility as a currency.

Last week, a man bought a tesla for 91.4 bitcoins.



Link

Now the dealer has these 91.4 bitcoins that are today worth $81,346. He just took a bath, or if he was lucky enough to sell them at $1,127 then the next person took the loss.

I see the speculative value as a pure investment, but I simply don't see how business can adopt them as currency.

that's exactly why bitcoin is a fully functional currency.

/sarcasm
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Deutsche Bank implicated in price manipulation
Physical gold being sold far above the London price
US mint runs out of silver

To top that off, we've refused to give Germany's gold back to Germany. We don't have the gold. It's all gone. The amount of "paper" gold greatly exceeds the amount of physical gold.

I don't think either of you understand the other's argument.

We are all in a shell game.

Most of our precious commodities are controlled. If you have the income to be at the level of the controller, then there is no shortage unless you are going against the grain.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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My son told me that his friend has 400 bit coins in his account, he started this 3 years ago.

one of my friends in 1st grade told me that he found a way to jump OVER the flag in super mario bros, and when he did it it broke his NES but nintendo gave him a new one PLUS six free games

spoiler: he was lying
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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one of my friends in 1st grade told me that he found a way to jump OVER the flag in super mario bros, and when he did it it broke his NES but nintendo gave him a new one PLUS six free games

spoiler: he was lying

It's totally possible. Back in the beginning, the difficulty was so low that you could mine 100 bitcoin in a week with just a fast CPU.
 

Chiropteran

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I'm still trying to get my head around how bitcoin has any credibility as a currency.

Last week, a man bought a tesla for 91.4 bitcoins.



Link

Now the dealer has these 91.4 bitcoins that are today worth $81,346. He just took a bath, or if he was lucky enough to sell them at $1,127 then the next person took the loss.

I see the speculative value as a pure investment, but I simply don't see how business can adopt them as currency.

What a lot of FUD and ignorance.

If you actually read the actual article YOU linked, you would have noticed this little tidbit:

"The transaction was handled by payment processor BitPay, so the dealership did not need to worry about gains and losses in the value of the Bitcoins. They received an immediate bank transfer in US dollars."

Using bitcoin in this way has ZERO risk. It doesn't matter how much the value fluctuates, you get exactly the USD value you are sent. It's better than a credit card payment, because no absurd merchant fees or possibility of chargeback. It's better than paypal, for the same reasons.

Even if bitcoin doesn't succeed in the long term as a currency, it has already emerged as the superior-by-far option for payment processing.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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China's currency is on the rise and it people know it. The lack of faith in US dollars, Euros, and Japanese yen has led to a surge in "dim sum bonds" which are bonds issued in Chinese yuan. I love how racist that term is. That's like giving a loan to a black person and calling it a "fried chicken bond."

Yeah, but dim sum is terrible. Fried Chicken, however, is amazing.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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What a lot of FUD and ignorance.

If you actually read the actual article YOU linked, you would have noticed this little tidbit:

"The transaction was handled by payment processor BitPay, so the dealership did not need to worry about gains and losses in the value of the Bitcoins. They received an immediate bank transfer in US dollars."

Using bitcoin in this way has ZERO risk. It doesn't matter how much the value fluctuates, you get exactly the USD value you are sent. It's better than a credit card payment, because no absurd merchant fees or possibility of chargeback. It's better than paypal, for the same reasons.

Even if bitcoin doesn't succeed in the long term as a currency, it has already emerged as the superior-by-far option for payment processing.

Okay, that's all well and good for that exchange, but please explain to this idiot the effect of that lost value?

Who eats it?

The value obviously disappeared somewhere, right? Or is bitcoin not a currency? what is it if, at this point, it can somewhat arbitrarily be exchanged at wildly fluctuating values from week to week or even day to day?
 

halik

Lifer
Oct 10, 2000
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Deutsche Bank implicated in price manipulation
Physical gold being sold far above the London price
US mint runs out of silver

To top that off, we've refused to give Germany's gold back to Germany. We don't have the gold. It's all gone. The amount of "paper" gold greatly exceeds the amount of physical gold.

1) Banks were implicated in manipulation for anything that has a fixing price - libor, FX you name it. We're talking about tiny moves EOD, not OMG GOLD WOULD BE AT MILLION JILLION IF IT WASNT FOR MANIPULATION

2) India put import curbs in place on gold imports this summer, as it was creating a huge account deficit and depreciating the shit out of their currency. Gold is incidental here, just because historically it's been one of their biggest imports... Indians just love gold.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...old-as-curbs-fail-to-stem-currency-slump.html

3) Were they selling those at spot silver? Because if there's any physical premium over spot, it would not be surprising it sold out...


Of course the amount of paper gold exceeds the actual amount of underlying. Derivatives 101.
 

goog40

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Mar 16, 2000
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What a lot of FUD and ignorance.

If you actually read the actual article YOU linked, you would have noticed this little tidbit:

"The transaction was handled by payment processor BitPay, so the dealership did not need to worry about gains and losses in the value of the Bitcoins. They received an immediate bank transfer in US dollars."

Using bitcoin in this way has ZERO risk. It doesn't matter how much the value fluctuates, you get exactly the USD value you are sent. It's better than a credit card payment, because no absurd merchant fees or possibility of chargeback. It's better than paypal, for the same reasons.

Even if bitcoin doesn't succeed in the long term as a currency, it has already emerged as the superior-by-far option for payment processing.

Still seeing zero reason why I'd want to use it as a consumer. So now when a store rips you off, you have no recourse?
 

KlokWyze

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Sep 7, 2006
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Bitcoin should be acknowledged for what it is. It was intended to be a currency, but ended just being useful as a speculative investment/gambling vehicle. Any altcoin with a higher frequency block chain would be more useful as a payment system.

For something to be useful as a currency it need to be tied to things that are less volatile. USD is tied to labor, etc.
 
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