Bitcoin is on fire again

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sdifox

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Well the fear has always been that they would attempt to outlaw it as a form of currency since techincally any currency not issued by the U.S. gubment is illegal (so I understand).

err, no. All the governmetn can do is not make it legal tender within USA. US has no jurisdiction over bitcoin, which is the whole point to it.
 

Alienwho

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Ironically bitcoin's best defense is that it isn't actually what it was conceived as - a currency. Very few treat it as such or use it as such. It is a "product". It's more like a stock than anything else with people buying ownership in the collective faith that it has value - it's actually kind of an interesting 'self fulfilling prophecy' of sorts since those involved want it's value to rise - not to stabilize. And so they 'sell' it in order to do so - it's a headless corporation with a built-in marketing department

It's true, i'm vary wary to spend any of my bitcoins on anything in fear that tomorrow I'll feel like I overpaid.

Let's say I spent 1 bitcoin to buy a PS4 on friday. Well if I would have waited until today I could have bought a PS4 and two games with that same bitcoin.
 

chihlidog

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It's true, i'm vary wary to spend any of my bitcoins on anything in fear that tomorrow I'll feel like I overpaid.

Let's say I spent 1 bitcoin to buy a PS4 on friday. Well if I would have waited until today I could have bought a PS4 and two games with that same bitcoin.

I think this is because the expectation is that because there is only a finite number of BTC, the value of one whole coin should be far higher than it is right now, and that when BTC reaches maturity the market will stabilize and become pretty reliable. I think BTC may yet crash and burn, but it has weathered some pretty intense storms already and is now becoming a lot more legitimate, so I actually am beginning to think the possibility is stronger that it will continue to increase to maybe a few thousand per coin.
 

chihlidog

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err, no. All the governmetn can do is not make it legal tender within USA. US has no jurisdiction over bitcoin, which is the whole point to it.

As I understand it (and IANAL) the U.S. gubment could decide it's illegal because it is being used as an alternative form of currency. Again, though, I've always understood that this was open to interpretation.
 

Arcadio

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It's true, i'm vary wary to spend any of my bitcoins on anything in fear that tomorrow I'll feel like I overpaid.

Let's say I spent 1 bitcoin to buy a PS4 on friday. Well if I would have waited until today I could have bought a PS4 and two games with that same bitcoin.

Bitcoin will stabilize if and when its adoption as a valid alternative currency reaches the mainstream. Until then, it's a gamble.
 

chihlidog

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Bitcoin will stabilize if and when its adoption as a valid alternative currency reaches the mainstream. Until then, it's a gamble.

Which it is well on its way to doing, and I expect that if today's hearing isnt completely devastating (and it certainly doesnt seem it will be) that mainstream acceptance will continue to increase.

I'm mining away again on my 5850, I'm willing to gamble the electricity cost that in the long run it might be actually worth it.
 

Alienwho

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I think this is because the expectation is that because there is only a finite number of BTC, the value of one whole coin should be far higher than it is right now, and that when BTC reaches maturity the market will stabilize and become pretty reliable. I think BTC may yet crash and burn, but it has weathered some pretty intense storms already and is now becoming a lot more legitimate, so I actually am beginning to think the possibility is stronger that it will continue to increase to maybe a few thousand per coin.

I used to roll my eyes at the possibility of a bitcoin being worth several thousand dollars but now I feel it's only a matter of time, and the time is probably sooner than we think.

If I was truly confident in that then obviously I would put all my money into buying bitcoins at $500-$600 but to me the thought of buying one at that price is pretty much inconceivable.
 

Bubbleawsome

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Don't be afraid to sell now, wait for the crash, and buy more with the money you got from selling. That's what I'm waiting for.
 

chihlidog

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Don't be afraid to sell now, wait for the crash, and buy more with the money you got from selling. That's what I'm waiting for.

Problem is, with this senate hearing, unless it goes really badly for BTC, I dont see a crash in the near future.
 

Chiropteran

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Coinbase really makes it easy to get involved now. Used to be a minimum .1 BTC purchase, not anymore. I have my account setup to simply buy $20 worth of bitcoin, every week. I just think of it as an extended savings account, $90 per month gets saved, with added bonuses if bitcoin value rises.
 

chihlidog

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I cant watch live, but reading the live blog of the senate hearing, it seemed like it went really well, with law enforcement agencies basically saying enough laws are already in place and that cash is easier to launder with than BTC, so it doesnt sound like the feds are going to try and regulate it to death if at all.
 

Doppel

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Is it really that stupid to switch from a government controlled and manipulated currency with no backing to a free open digital currency with no backing?

Just a bit over $600 now. This has actually been a fairly slow-and-steady rise compared to previous bitcoin "bubbles".
This is not a currency AT ALL. It has now become a greater fool theory "commodity" to trade. This is tulip mania in the extreme. People will be eating bullets after the crash.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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I love it... Bitcoin had a low of $531 on Mt Gox today, and a high of $900.

Nothing like an 80% price swing in one day to convince the world that Bitcoin is the stable currency of the future. I should totally put my retirement dollars into this stuff
 

KlokWyze

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I love it... Bitcoin had a low of $531 on Mt Gox today, and a high of $900.

Nothing like an 80% price swing in one day to convince the world that Bitcoin is the stable currency of the future. I should totally put my retirement dollars into this stuff

Yeah. Terrible. I hate when I triple my money in a week. THAT SUCKS.

Bitcoin is less a currency and more of an investment opportunity and a techie's wet dream. It's definitely not something for conservative, boring, bitter people who are scared of taking risks. As someone who's currently profited even if all this comes crashing down, I'm laughing at you all the way to the bank. :thumbsup:
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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Yeah. Terrible. I hate when I triple my money in a week. THAT SUCKS.

Bitcoin is less a currency and more of an investment opportunity and a techie's wet dream. It's definitely not something for conservative, boring, bitter people who are scared of taking risks. As someone who's currently profited even if all this comes crashing down, I'm laughing at you all the way to the bank. :thumbsup:

If you think that Bitcoin is an "investment" at this point, you're deluding yourself. No investment has ever appreciated this quickly without crashing just as fast, whether it be penny stocks or a ponzi scheme.

Have fun trading this madness, but just remember that you're gambling at this point and not investing. I just hope that that you're playing with the house's money.
 

Alienwho

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Sold half my bitcoins and lightcoins today. Will buy them back after the crash happens.
 

KlokWyze

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If you think that Bitcoin is an "investment" at this point, you're deluding yourself. No investment has ever appreciated this quickly without crashing just as fast, whether it be penny stocks or a ponzi scheme.

Have fun trading this madness, but just remember that you're gambling at this point and not investing. I just hope that that you're playing with the house's money.

I pay into a 401K adn savings account too and I'm not putting all my money into this shit.... the little money I have left in his just MULTIPLYING and your trying to convince me this is bad or something? Meh. Your opinions and advice are shit.
 
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