[BitsAndChips]390X ready for launch - AMD ironing out drivers - Computex launch

[wand3r3r]

Not today.

Though if it really is 1200mhz then it would explain the 300w+ rumors... gcn hates clocking over 900mhz.

Hwbot says otherwise.
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/radeon_r9_290x/

 

[ShintaiDK]

Source: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3672666940?pn=1

A new Ruby demo coming out too?

No, its old.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Thanks. Removed it from the post

 

[mohit9206]

Guys news coming in from AMD website that 390X has been delayed to Q4 this year. Not good for AMD at all.

 

[tential]

It may be April Fools, but I want to at least use SOME part of the internet. Don't screw around and put clear April Fools joke's in here. It's just a serious tech discussion, not a joke forum. Go post that stuff elsewhere.

 

[mohit9206]

It may be April Fools, but I want to at least use SOME part of the internet. Don't screw around and put clear April Fools joke's in here. It's just a serious tech discussion, not a joke forum. Go post that stuff elsewhere.

OK sorry

 

[positivedoppler]

If it's real, massive troll job by AMD to leak info on April 1st.

 

[therealnickdanger]

Nintendo delayed Zelda U as well. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Kenmitch]

Exactly, AMD has been silent all along and that isn't a good indicator.

Personally, I'm not optimistic until they prove otherwise.

I completely agree with the above statement. The silence from AMD after Titan X is not very comforting.

There could be more than one reason why they didn't do anything.

Don't have nothing in the works that is competing against it directly.

Feel that not saying anything is easier and more effective. After all the doom and gloom and speculating threads are amusing to read.

When it comes to AMD it kind of seems that no matter what they do it isn't good enough. Too little too late, too hot, too loud, too....You get the picture.

I can see why they kind of took the silent approach.

Waiting for the official launch and reviews before passing judgment is best.

 

[Cloudfire777]

If it's real, massive troll job by AMD to leak info on April 1st.

I dont know. It seems like an effective way to hint something while not being responsible for anything anyway since its April 1st.

That said, this could be a slide that accidentally leaked out on April 1st before it was suppose to.

Or it could be fake and an April fools joke, but the slide seems it was made by AMD. Its a really good one

 

[DownTheSky]

When's the lauch? June seems way too late. Considering they've been moving cards since back in november. 2 months for drivers? And we have benchmarks from 20 games. I'm not buying it.

 

[guskline]

I realize this is a technical discussion forum but it is April "Fools" day so a little humor might help all of us.:thumbsup:

Perhaps this clip explains it best!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs

 

[RussianSensation]

When's the lauch? June seems way too late. Considering they've been moving cards since back in november. 2 months for drivers? And we have benchmarks from 20 games. I'm not buying it.

Technically speaking AMD has not delayed R9 300 series by even 1 day since no official launch date was ever set. Every single thing we read online about R9 300 are rumours coming from sites like Videocardz, Sweclockers, WCCFTech, Kit Guru, etc. I remember reading at least 6 months ago when GTX970/980 launched that R9 300 series was slated for June 2015/Computex, but some rumours had it for March 2015, others 2H of 2015. Some people on our forum expected R9 300 series by end of 2014, others by 1Q of 2015 but there was never any legitimate rumour or statement/road-map from AMD to ever indicate that. How can AMD delay something that never had a launch date? In fact, even as of Q4 2014 earnings, the CEO of AMD said they only intend to start regaining GPU market share as of Q2 2015. That means as of December 2014, we already knew that R9 300 series would never make it to Q1 2015 release date.

Also, you say June is too late for launch but I don't agree. Firstly, NV still has not released its true flagship GM200 card in the $500-700 space. Secondly, we are still 1-1.5 years away from 14nm/16nm GPUs. Surely you don't think NV/AMD will be using 980/290X and $1K Titan X until 14nm GPUs? 15-18 months is a long time to 14nm/16nm GPUs, which means even if R9 390/GM200 6GB launch by June-August 2015, we would still be more than a year away from Pascal!

Finally, I think you are making a sweeping assumption that R9 300 is late so it's a 'pointless' card, but many PC gamers skipped R9 290/970/980/Titan series entirely. Not everyone upgrades for 20% or even 50% increase in performance. There are a lot of PC gamers who upgrade every 3-4 years and they want 75-100% more. I would guess that there is a significant pent-up demand for faster cards in 2015 in the $400-600 space, especially because highly anticipated games like GTA V and TW3 are coming and also because for a lot of people a $550 980 was not a true flagship, while the Titan X is not really affordable. Furthermore, we haven't had any major increase in price/performance in the $300-350 space since November 2013. 1.5 years and we are still hovering at the R9 290/970 level. For that reason, R9 300 series and faster GM200 cards are absolutely necessary and will benefit the market greatly.

 

[DownTheSky]

wall of text.

Do you see the word "delayed" in my post? You don't. The only one making assumptions is you. I'm just pissed and tired of waiting, like most folks here.

 

[tviceman]

I can see why they kind of took the silent approach.

Being silent is usually (not always) the best approach. In Richard Huddy's case, it's almost always the best approach. Anyways, I think in this case it's OK to be silent because people dropping $1,000 on Titan X's aren massively niche, and if R9 390X can outperform Titan X for less money, the same Titan X owners would happily unload their cards on ebay and forums for probably the same price as a R9 390x (to get the R9 390x, of course).

 

[delonm]

Not everyone upgrades for 20% or even 50% increase in performance. There are a lot of PC gamers who upgrade every 3-4 years and they want 75-100% more.

*raises hand*

 

[AnandThenMan]

Do you see the word "delayed" in my post? You don't. The only one making assumptions is you. I'm just pissed and tired of waiting, like most folks here.

You said "late" which essentially means the same thing does it not? But I agree with you I'm sure many people are tired of waiting me included.

 

[Head1985]

Well it is already 7 months from maxwell GTX970/980 launch and we still waiting to AMD to launch some competitive GPU.And we are still 3 months from r300 series launch.
Thats just soo wrong and its really like in CPU vs intel.AMD is competitive only on paper.
I am also tired by waiting.
Back in ATI days i am sure ATI will never ever allow Nvidia have 9-10 months without competition.
We need new player on GPU segment or some investor to buy AMD and give them money so they can start compete with intel/nvidia.

 

[exar333]

Being silent is usually (not always) the best approach. In Richard Huddy's case, it's almost always the best approach. Anyways, I think in this case it's OK to be silent because people dropping $1,000 on Titan X's aren massively niche, and if R9 390X can outperform Titan X for less money, the same Titan X owners would happily unload their cards on ebay and forums for probably the same price as a R9 390x (to get the R9 390x, of course).

I wholeheartedly disagree here.

You HAVE to get people excited about upcoming tech. The best (and most profitable) companies do this best. It is a careful game of not hurting existing products while simultaneously building up to new ones. Unless there are compelling reasons to stay quiet (IP concerns, etc) staying quiet usually means lost sales.

AMD is HORRIBLE with product launches. The key isn't to be silent, but rather avoid over-promising and under-delivering.

 

[Creig]

Because I used my last exhaust fan outlet. When the card is idle the fan hardly pushes air out the back of the case thus impeding the airflow and causing my idle temps on my CPU to jump over 40c, then all my fans start increasing to keep up with the heat. I believe it's the VRMs on the 295x2 that contribute to the extra heat. Not all the heat is dispelled in the radiator.

Can't you just set the minimum fan RPM on the radiator to match the speed of your other case fans? If you had to remove a fan to make room for the AIO radiator, then you wouldn't be increasing the noise level and you'd have your previous airflow pattern again.

 

[Headfoot]

Well it is already 7 months from maxwell GTX970/980 launch and we still waiting to AMD to launch some competitive GPU.And we are still 3 months from r300 series launch.
Thats just soo wrong and its really like in CPU vs intel.AMD is competitive only on paper.
I am also tired by waiting.
Back in ATI days i am sure ATI will never ever allow Nvidia have 9-10 months without competition.
We need new player on GPU segment or some investor to buy AMD and give them money so they can start compete with intel/nvidia.

Sigh.
AMD has competitive cards to 970/980. 290x is faster/equal than the 970 and 10-15% slower than the 980. And the 290 is better perf/dollar by a mile than either while only being 0-10% slower than the 970. That's competitive by any rational definition...

They don't have anything single card versus the Titan X, but that just came out. Nowhere near the 7 months you're talking about. And the 295x is faster than the Titan X for $400 less, though of course, it is a dual gpu card with all the limitations that brings. Not even remotely like the AMD cpu vs Intel CPU situation

 

[Cloudfire777]

Sigh.
AMD has competitive cards to 970/980. 290x is faster/equal than the 970 and 10-15% slower than the 980. And the 290 is better perf/dollar by a mile than either while only being 0-10% slower than the 970. That's competitive by any rational definition...

They don't have anything single card versus the Titan X, but that just came out. Nowhere near the 7 months you're talking about. And the 295x is faster than the Titan X for $400 less, though of course, it is a dual gpu card with all the limitations that brings. Not even remotely like the AMD cpu vs Intel CPU situation

You are simplifying this way too much. You may go for performance/dollar, many other, including system builders and OEMs, may go for heat output, power, noise, features, brand, total performance disregarding cost (likes to own the best card regardless price), want the newest tech etc..
$350 for GTX 970 and $300 for 290X, that extra $50 may be well worth it to many people. They may not even care as long as they get the newest.

Its a reason why the recent report described AIBs have stopped buying AMD GPUs because they are left with huge inventory of their graphic cards. The cards isnt`t selling so well despite low price which means there are other reasons than price vs performance in play

 

[Head1985]

Sigh.
AMD has competitive cards to 970/980. 290x is faster/equal than the 970 and 10-15% slower than the 980. And the 290 is better perf/dollar by a mile than either while only being 0-10% slower than the 970. That's competitive by any rational definition...

They don't have anything single card versus the Titan X, but that just came out. Nowhere near the 7 months you're talking about. And the 295x is faster than the Titan X for $400 less, though of course, it is a dual gpu card with all the limitations that brings. Not even remotely like the AMD cpu vs Intel CPU situation

If its competetive then why AMD lost so much market share after NV launched GTX970/980???
It was 24 vs 76 in q4 2014.Today AMD is maybe bellow 20%.

290x have 290w TDP
GTX970 have 148w TDP...
No its not competetive at all.

 

[Cloudfire777]

If its competetive then why AMD lost so much market share after NV launched GTX970/980???
It was 24 vs 76 in q4 2014.Today AMD is maybe bellow 20%.

290x have 290w TDP
GTX970 have 148w TDP...
No its not competetive at all.

Thats certainly one metric many people compare with and choose which cards they want to buy based upon. Which will impact what success 390X will have and what marketshare AMD is able to take back

 

[RussianSensation]

Do you see the word "delayed" in my post? You don't. The only one making assumptions is you. I'm just pissed and tired of waiting, like most folks here.

In your post you said "they've been moving cards back since November," which is the exact same thing as implying AMD has delayed the launch.

What stopped you from buying cards like R9 290X/970/980 and the TitanX? It's not as if AMD is asking you to wait.

Thats just soo wrong and its really like in CPU vs intel.AMD is competitive only on paper. I am also tired by waiting.

You are saying NV is competitive? Name 1 videocard NV released since R9 290X/780Ti came out that's truly worth upgrading to besides the $1000 Titan X?

The problem is neither AMD nor NV have anything compelling besides the Titan X in terms of moving the performance bar way higher from R9 290X/780Ti levels and those cards date back November of 2013. I love it how AMD is sharing 100% of the burden but NV barely upped the performance with a 980!

I think people are letting NV off the hook here. NV is equally to blame because they have milked a mid-range GM204 chip for more than 6 months. Frankly everything out right now besides the $250 R9 290 and the $1000 is underwhelming imo. 3 years later since HD7970Ghz launched, a $320 GTX970 is just 26% faster. Wow, that's a joke, right? Does NV think that's a viable upgrade path?

Worse, here in Canada a good GTX980 after tax is $820 CDN. :whiste: So really, you are tired of waiting for AMD (or GM200 6GB) but tell me what are our options? Get an R9 290X/970 with just 26-35% more performance than a 7970Ghz 3 years later? Not a serious proposition! This is easily the worst GPU upgrade generation of all time up to now. Even 680 wasn't this bad -- it was at least 30-35% faster than the 580 and then 780 came out with even more performance for $650. 980 is barely faster than a 290X/780Ti and NV has no "780-equivalent" style GM200 6GB card out yet.

A lot of gamers are waiting for R9 390 and GM200 because whoever skipped R9 290/780 series finds everything out today not compelling at current prices or performance level. I am really getting close to just skipping this generation because every single month we get that much closer to 14nm GPUs. I knew the minute NV switched to bifurcating a generation, we would need to wait much longer now to get proper flagship value in a generation and it's becoming true as I feared. AMD is not the only firm to blame here because GM200 6GB $550-600 is completely MIA while NV milks mid-range 980 for $530+.