$100 from EVGA who alsways charge a lot, but people love them so they can.
I am looking forward to R9 390X WCE because the benefits are truly huge.
Hybrid cooled 980 @ 1393mhz Boost operates 25*C cooler than a stock 980 with the reference Titan blower!
Also, should the fan/pump fail, it'll be easier to replace it with an off-the-shelf 120mm AIO. Right now replacing a heatsink on a reference blower card/or even an after-market one essentially means buying the expensive $70-90 Accelero Xtremes.
The EVGA GTX980 Hybrid costs $100 more compared to the standard blower 980, which means the higher factory pre-overclock + 120mm AIO CLC + warranty is about a $100 premium that we likely can expect the R9 390X WCE to have over the standard 390X.
If $549 R9 390 standard = 1.4Ghz 980 and R9 390X is 15% faster than a 1.4Ghz GTX980 for $650, that would be a nice improvement from where we are currently sitting.
$100 from EVGA who alsways charge a lot, but people love them so they can.
I am planning to start my Masters between August 2015 and Sept 2016 and depending on the program it would last between 15-24 months. The earliest I'd be able to graduate is December 2016 and the latest Sept 2018. I am following this gen simply because I am interested in tech, but there is a strong chance all these GPUs are irrelevant for me unless I buy them on some sale in 2-3 years from now. It's possible I will coast all the way to 7nm CPUs and mid-Pascal generation before I get a new CPU/GPU!
I just hope by early 2017 we will start to see 4K at more reasonable prices and better FreeSync/GSync options. It's scary to think how expensive a new build will be for me as I'll need a new SSD/PCIe SSD, new GPU(s), new CPU platform + DDR4, new monitor. Who knows, maybe I'll meet my future wife and become a casual PS5/XB2 console gamer.
What about you? Are you going to play around with Maxwell/R9 300 series or are you waiting for 14nm and HBM2?
Good luck with the masters (MBA?). As for possible wife, the whole wife and kids thing took me from a pair of R9 290 DirectCUII cards to a single GTX 750 Ti. Lol. I would slum it with just an iGPU except that I wanted a single GPU controlling my 3-monitor setup and to be able to play some older games once in a while.
Also I simply won't pay for another 28nm GPU at this point, it absolutely must be a full node shrink AND a substantial increase in price/perf, or I'd rather wait.
Hmm gaming bliss w/gf on the side vs nagging wife + kids + expenses. Tough decision. :hmm:
Hmm gaming bliss w/gf on the side vs nagging wife + kids + expenses. Tough decision. :hmm:
$100 from EVGA who alsways charge a lot, but people love them so they can.
I haven`t used these hybrid GPUs before, but my understanding of it is that the pump actually makes a bit of noise and that beefy air fans can be better?
You've never used a AIO to cool a cpu? I guess it would depend on which AIO pump is involved. I'm using a H100i on my 4690k with fans on quiet mode and you can hear the pump if you stick your head next to the case. 99.99% of the time my head isn't next to my case anyways.
No I haven`t because Ive been busy with notebooks the last 5-8 years
I will be building a rig when Skylake launch and it will be either 980Ti or 390X. I was thinking about these hybrid models but Ive read so much downtalking on the pumps. But I have zero experience to know if its bs or not.
My understanding is that a CPU fan like this beats a pump in noise and run a little bit higher temps but it is very good temps anyway.
I have also seen pretty beefy GPU cooling from OEMs like this 780 Ti which I wonder if is similar to the CPU dilemma above?
I personally rather have a silent/quiet cooling with temps in the 50-60s than a water cooled rig with a little more noise and temps in the 40s.
You've never used a AIO to cool a cpu? I guess it would depend on which AIO pump is involved. I'm using a H100i on my 4690k with fans on quiet mode and you can hear the pump if you stick your head next to the case. 99.99% of the time my head isn't next to my case anyways.
No I haven`t because Ive been busy with notebooks the last 5-8 years
I will be building a rig when Skylake launch and it will be either 980Ti or 390X. I was thinking about these hybrid models but Ive read so much downtalking on the pumps. But I have zero experience to know if its bs or not.
My understanding is that a CPU fan like this beats a pump in noise and run a little bit higher temps but it is very good temps anyway.
I have also seen pretty beefy GPU cooling from OEMs like this 780 Ti which I wonder if is similar to the CPU dilemma above?
I personally rather have a silent/quiet cooling with temps in the 50-60s than a water cooled rig with a little more noise and temps in the 40s.
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So, basically, new lineup is... only Fiji as new card?
Similar architecture to Tonga, just bigger. And with HBM.
To me, the strongest argument against the "R9 300 series is all rebrands except Fiji" hypothesis is that it just won't work. AMD's existing cards aren't selling now, at least not at prices that are reasonably profitable; does AMD really think they'll sell if given new names but otherwise remaining the same? And they plan to stick to this until at least 2H 2016, when 16nm/14nm FinFET+ becomes available? This "strategy" would basically amount to abdicating 95% of the GPU market for the next 12-18 months.
Also the stuff about Fiji being a lower end GPU with HBM (4GB) and bermuda being a higher end HBM one with (8GB), the theory that raghu at least bases his speculations on, seems to be most likely false.
^ If AMD had a higher end GPU than fiji and fiji was going to be used for the 380X instead of the 390X they wouldn't be holding a presentation about fiji in august. They'd be doing a bermuda presentation.
And the rest of the lower end leaks for mobile and for desktop have showed reasonable proof for rebrands. Even the leaked XFX double dissipation card had a pcb that was identical to hawaii PCBs from everything we could actually see on the card.
Personally I think that AMD's architecture improvements over tonga are limited to nonexistent and as such it didn't make any sense to design any more GPUs which would be only slight improvements over the old stuff, but expensive to design.
We'll likely see Fiji with almost identical GCN to tonga that gets its extra performance from the power savings from HBM, added die size and added space on the die caused by the change in memory controllers.
This is a stopgap generation anyway. The real deal will be when 16nm rolls out, both manufacturers are on HBM and we'll see which architecture actually is the superior one.
Exactly. It would be as silly as AMD going BACKWARDS on IPC from Phenom II to Bulldozer.
Oh wait.
I personally think R9 380/380X will be improved Hawaii XT chips with GCN 1.2, updated UVD, HDMI 2.0, more mature 28nm node, but no HBM. I think HBM will be limited to Fiji chips this gen.
However, the problem with my theory is it doesn't at all explain then how AMD will be able to improve their mobile dGPU line-up. If they don't make any improvements in perf/watt other than for their HBM chips, then their mobile dGPU strategy for the next 18 months is a failure as they won't be able to compete with Tonga variants in laptops.
But even if you have identical PCB to R9 290/290X, we have no idea what the GPU is like underneath. Therefore, that alone told us little.
Why do they need to make major improvements in architecture beyond Tonga? Tonga's architecture more than doubles their geometry performance, increases memory bandwidth efficiency 40%, increases pixel fill-rate efficiency 70%. At that point, all they really need to do is grow their die size to increase shaders and textures and use HBM1 to lower power usage. Why is that not a good solution? In Tonga's case, the GPU is basically shader and texture limited and because it only has 32 ROPs, it had no chance of ever beating a 290. On paper it looks like Tonga's 384-bit controller is 20% larger in size than R9 290X's 512-bit because it's the same controller used in Tahiti - highly inefficient old gen one. Most games are mostly shader and texture limited, not tessellation limited. That's why Tonga is such a poorly executed product but I believe it was just a card made specifically to test out the underlying architectural changes R9 390 will have. I still think AMD will make other improvements that we haven't seen in Tonga.
No doubt that next gen should be a bigger improvement in performance, at least on the NV side. 780Ti doubled 580's performance but Titan X is nowhere close to that. Pascal will have HBM2 + 14nm + new architecture so it's not out of the question the performance will be 80-100% over Titan X.