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SunnyD

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it doesn't really emphasize player interaction though. I'm guessing that will change once at Lvl 50 and you're open to PvP.

There is virtually zero meaningful player interaction in BDO except via PvP and global chat, at least in the NA version. No crafting community; a very, very limited auction house toolset; and next to no trade interaction.

These things were conscious design decisions, or rather publisher decisions for the NA community as other regions do have some of these features in various forms mostly done to curb botting and remove the sandbox from the game. They didn't want people taking any shortcuts in order to get to PvP, and they wanted as level a playing field once you go there as possible. On one hand I applaud them for that, on the other it diminished certain significant aspects of a social MMORPG greatly.
 

Eric1987

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There is virtually zero meaningful player interaction in BDO except via PvP and global chat, at least in the NA version. No crafting community; a very, very limited auction house toolset; and next to no trade interaction.

These things were conscious design decisions, or rather publisher decisions for the NA community as other regions do have some of these features in various forms mostly done to curb botting and remove the sandbox from the game. They didn't want people taking any shortcuts in order to get to PvP, and they wanted as level a playing field once you go there as possible. On one hand I applaud them for that, on the other it diminished certain significant aspects of a social MMORPG greatly.

I know it's great, isn't it?
 

KMFJD

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I know it's great, isn't it?

No, not really, SunnyD has a point. The game is gorgeous, there's a shitload to do but at it's core he is right, it's essentially a single player game for most of the leveling portion of the game.
 

Udgnim

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found a Reddit thread that gives a very brief summary about the game

https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdeser...t_to_know_what_black_desert_is_all_about_new/

So you are a new player looking for something to do? Here is a list of possiblities.
PVE

Alchemy, Make potions, make cash.

Cooking, Like all the other crafting options cooking is very in depth and complex and can be very financially rewarding.

Horse taming, breeding, selling. Become the horse whisperer for fun and profit.

Trading, set up a massive trading empire delivering goods from one side of the world to the other.

Crafting, Set up a network of workers and build different things such as wagon parts, ships, weapons, costumes, and armor.

Gathering, Even though some gathering can be automated the rarest rewards are out there and can only be gathered by hand.

Player Housing, Find a nice house in any of the numerous towns and set up a house. You can get decorations all over the world through quests, friendships, and even mob drops.

Fishing, Build or buy a boat and head out to find the perfect fishing spot. Just watch out for pirates and vikings.

Farming, Grow crops, put up scarecrows, micromanage production. Get paid.

World bosses, Few in the game right now. While high levels are required to make a real difference all you need to do is damage the boss to be a participant. Work together or fail.

Mini-bosses, Summon and fight several mini-bosses as a way to get some of the best gear in the game.

Grinding, Grinding is one way to get the best gear in the game. While earning money is the end all be all of getting either gear or house decorations, it's always possible to grind while doing the other methods making your time twice as effective.

There are other pve things coming in the future such as small group dungeons, more bosses, pet breeding, etc. You can also roleplay in a an exclusive roleplay chat channel.

PVP

Guild Wars, Tired of that fool stealing your favorite grind spot? Challenge their whole guild to war.

Node wars, (Not currently available), Defend a node for your guild and reap certain benefits depending on where it is located. (Once a week?)

Castle siege, (Not currently available). Defend or siege a castle and reap tax benefits from it. (Once a week?)

Arenas, organized, instanced pvp battles. Also, Every major town has a little arena where you can battle it out without fear of ruining your gear or losing xp.

Crimson battle field(?), An open world kill fest where the more kills you get the more attention you draw upon yourself.

It's important to note that BDO doesn't allow ganking and your character and guild will be punished for attacking people in the open world. pvp is meant to be more meaningful, fair, and organized in this game. You can attack about 5 people before you risk losing potentially millions in gear. Open world pvp starts at level 45 and is generally reserved for grinding spot disputes.

What is a sandbox?

A sandbox is different than traditional mmos in that it doesn't hold your hand and guide you to a destination. You are free to play the game your way and to your own end goals.

If that means becoming the best horse rancher in the game then thats what you do. Want to focus entirely on fishing? Go for it. Want to be the best pvp'er in the game? Go for it.

The world is your to do with however you want.

For some people its a bit overwhelming without the constant hand holding clear direction. Just pick a path for yourself that sounds fun and only focus on that for now. Then when you get bored you can branch out into some of the other possibilities.

Don't believe anyone who tells you this game is a certain thing. The game is what you want it to be and what you make it.

Also, did not know there are mechanics to discourage open world ganking

BDO has a karma system. Every player starts with positive karma.

When you kill another player outside of organized pvp situations, you lose karma. In other words, if you see someone just questing or grinding mobs, and you decide to walk up to them and kill them, you lose karma.

So, after about 5 players you kill, you go into the negative. Negative karma is BAD. Really bad.

As it currently stands, being in the negative means OTHER players can kill YOU, and those other players do not lose karma. When in the negative, you're basically a free kill to anyone else. When you die with negative karma, you lose XP, and there's a chance that you will lose your gear. As in, your weapon could just vanish upon death. And if you spent millions of silver on upgrading that weapon, well, now its gone.

Note that you don't lose karma in organized pvp, such as guild wars, node wars, sieges and arenas.
 

SunnyD

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I know it's great, isn't it?

Like I said, if that's all I wanted out of gaming I would be better suited playing Skyrim for my PvE experience and Call of Duty for my PvP experience and Skype for my social experience. You'd get the same results.

Again, please note I am not trying to detract from anyone's enjoyment of the game. I'm just trying to point out exactly what it is. I have no ax to grind here, it's a great title if it has what you're looking for.
 
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Subyman

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My friend wanted me to give this a shot with him. The character creator looked really good, but then we got into the game and, man, I don't know how people play these. I'm not trying to be harsh, but it feels so disjointed and clunky. MMOs have completely stagnated. I would love to see some big money put into the genre again to freshen it up.
 

imaheadcase

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My friend wanted me to give this a shot with him. The character creator looked really good, but then we got into the game and, man, I don't know how people play these. I'm not trying to be harsh, but it feels so disjointed and clunky. MMOs have completely stagnated. I would love to see some big money put into the genre again to freshen it up.

Mmm what do you mean? The combat is fluid, tons of skills, the graphics are top notch and the world is alive with lots of little details, runs excellent FPS wise always 50-60s.

As for the "you don't interact" with people, EVERY mmo is like that. They are made like that for a purpose, not everyone can get groups all the time.

I've seen MMO fail because they required you to have groups to get best gear it game, that is a huge design flaw.

Anyways, this is the first MMO i've played that I get excited about playing, so its the bees knees to me.
 

KMFJD

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lvl 44 and still having fun, so far the game really does feel like a Skyrim type game with a chat channel built in it, the only impact another player has is taking killing mobs before you do.
 

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Mmm what do you mean? The combat is fluid, tons of skills, the graphics are top notch and the world is alive with lots of little details, runs excellent FPS wise always 50-60s.

No, I know exactly what he is talking about. When I first started playing in the first beta, I thought the same. Controls felt very unresponsive, really floaty. I'm guessing they were going for a realism aspect. You know, how you can't stop on a dime when sprinting at full speed, unless you'd like to fall over? There are other things too. You have some surfaces you'll run right up, and other surfaces you catch on while running around, making you have to hit the interact button, to climb over them. I haven't figure out much of a rhyme or reason to it. When you first start playing the game, especially if you're used to playing games with much tighter controls, the game can feel very awkward.

But, after having gotten used to it, I really like the combat. Eventually you get a feel for it, and it no longer feels awkward. I guess it all depends on what your tolerance level is, and how much time you put into it, allowing you to get familiar with it.
 
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I am curious what all the grinding / farming / fishing / trade empires will be for in the long term? I read that there are level 50's already and people with millions of cash, but what will keep you playing beyond that first week?

In Skyrim my motivation was to finish the main quest and the mage quests etc, and I also wanted to complete a couple of the spell trees and visit most of the locations. In some MMO's my motivation was to get the top items and then use them to run dungeons by myself, and the loot/cash I made was always useful for something long term.

What will this game have to keep you addicted long term? Or is just gonna be a game to play for a month and then move on?
 

SunnyD

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I am curious what all the grinding / farming / fishing / trade empires will be for in the long term? I read that there are level 50's already and people with millions of cash, but what will keep you playing beyond that first week?

In Skyrim my motivation was to finish the main quest and the mage quests etc, and I also wanted to complete a couple of the spell trees and visit most of the locations. In some MMO's my motivation was to get the top items and then use them to run dungeons by myself, and the loot/cash I made was always useful for something long term.

What will this game have to keep you addicted long term? Or is just gonna be a game to play for a month and then move on?

I too am curious. All I see are dozens if not hundreds of people standing around big city hubs with their thumbs up their asses, be it around the trade hubs, fishing, etc. Or even idle. Go out into the world and it's pretty barren aside from the NPC porters walking to and fro along with the handful of individuals you bump into on the navigation routes.

Mind you there's obviously activity on the high end with the every-30-second-Guild War spam. But once again I'm left wondering what kind of content Black Desert actually has in it to satisfy those that don't give two craps about "PvP" when it's all said and done.
 
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I got some replies elsewhere about the end game and it sounds pretty promising. First off someone said that no matter how much cash you have, you will always want more because you can spend millions on something and then still want more. Also people say that there is a lot of content in Korean version of the game which isn't in the Western version yet, so it is likely that there will be a lot more stuff to do soon and PVP will be a big focus for a lot of people, and you will need a lot of money and gear to do well with that. And also there is an expansion already due. And they may add a bunch of raids too. I reckon I will give it a try, I will probably just wait a few weeks until I've finished my current games and then I can focus on the game.
 
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Fucking game. First when i download the game i get a corrupt file.. I research online and apparently its s huge thing. I delete some file, game redownloads some stuff and then it finally works. Today i guess there was a patch. That patch now detects a corrupt file and then relaunches the launcher to scan for it. Then starts patching again only to find another corrupt file and shut down. Think im done with this crap and im only lvl 12 lol
 

KMFJD

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I got some replies elsewhere about the end game and it sounds pretty promising. First off someone said that no matter how much cash you have, you will always want more because you can spend millions on something and then still want more. Also people say that there is a lot of content in Korean version of the game which isn't in the Western version yet, so it is likely that there will be a lot more stuff to do soon and PVP will be a big focus for a lot of people, and you will need a lot of money and gear to do well with that. And also there is an expansion already due. And they may add a bunch of raids too. I reckon I will give it a try, I will probably just wait a few weeks until I've finished my current games and then I can focus on the game.

Just hit 50 the other day, they aren't kidding about how slow it is to get xp now...it is going to be a lot of farming mobs for cash and blackstones to enchant your weapons. The Korean content is supposedly on the way sooner rather than later.
 

KMFJD

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Dayum has said this a couple times i guess..they also said the order the new classes are released might be different than Korean.
 

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Played it for a few days thanks to a buddys key. It is not for me though I like some aspects but the combat ruins it for me and I don't like the style. Sure it will be popular with some though. It has a lot of Farmville that will hook some people.
 

Eric1987

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I think its awesome. I dont usually play much when I work so I go hard on my days off.
 

imaheadcase

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No, I know exactly what he is talking about. When I first started playing in the first beta, I thought the same. Controls felt very unresponsive, really floaty. I'm guessing they were going for a realism aspect. You know, how you can't stop on a dime when sprinting at full speed, unless you'd like to fall over? There are other things too. You have some surfaces you'll run right up, and other surfaces you catch on while running around, making you have to hit the interact button, to climb over them. I haven't figure out much of a rhyme or reason to it. When you first start playing the game, especially if you're used to playing games with much tighter controls, the game can feel very awkward.

But, after having gotten used to it, I really like the combat. Eventually you get a feel for it, and it no longer feels awkward. I guess it all depends on what your tolerance level is, and how much time you put into it, allowing you to get familiar with it.

Feels like any other game to me.

The game has lots of new stuff most people are not used to doing is all, its unfair to say it has clunky combat before learning about it.

Did you guys know you don't even have to use quickslots to use skills like old mmo did? You can move using two combos at once! Lots of the game I'm still finding out just playing i had no idea you could do stuff. It really is a breath of fresh are for a MMO that it does some stuff different but yet gives you lots of ways to do it.

Many games now that claim to be MMO are not really MMO, they are just instanced areas all over.
 
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KMFJD

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I do like how to combat all the gold seller spam that they now made it cost energy to post in global chat
 

Udgnim

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I do like how to combat all the gold seller spam that they now made it cost energy to post in global chat

yeah the devs are doing a lot to deter gold sellers in the game although at the cost of some game mechanics

no player trading = no gold selling

AH being range bound by Min / Max & always selling the lowest posted item first = no gold selling

they disabled cash shop gifting recently due to cash shop abuse by gold sellers

only things gold selling websites seem to be able to do is to sell power leveled characters although I don't know if that includes things like leveled Energy, Contribution Points, Professions, Health, etc

I honestly think I'm ok with no player trading if it means that gold sellers won't be able to grossly affect the in-game economy
 
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