Black male graduation rates

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OCGuy

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Oh geez here we go with the poor garbage. Why is it that FOB Asian kids who have parents that do my laundry or paint my GF's clothes do well?

You would think that natural English speakers would have the advantage, no?
 

Slew Foot

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Poor Asians people tend to have the smartest kids since they pretty much beat their kids into being at the top of the class. Wealthier Asians tend to be more Americanized and dont beat on their kids as much, but their kids do well anyway.
 

Svnla

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....And for anyone blaming it on racism, dont bother...The most well off population in America are Asians. And black people who try to make something of themselves do it all the time [just look at Obama].

I was saying the very same thing on the other thread about affirmative action. The other poster said how much AA help out blacks. I replied with why Asians did not need any help such as AA yet still score better in standardize tests and have more graduates from college than blacks or hispanics or any other minority groups. He did not reply back..LOL.

I work with two black ladies and they are smart and well educated (Masters degrees and one of them made straight A's in college at a top private liberal college). Other blacks that made it (via hard work and dedication) are Justice Thomas, Condi Rice, Gen. Powell, etc., just to name a few.
 
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peonyu

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I'm responding to Doc Savage Fan's eagerness to blame the supposed genetic inferiority of blacks.

Point taken. But at the same time Black people dominate sports entirely, if we are suppose to be equal in absolutely every way [intelligence included] then the the NBA have more White and Asian people on it. Right now Its 80 percent+ black, way out of proportion to the number of black people in the country. And its not just the NBA, but the NFL aswell and even Golf. In Athletics Black people are superior if you go by averages, so why should intelligence be different since it is supposedly a inheritable attribute just as Athletic ability is.
 

Throckmorton

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Point taken. But at the same time Black people dominate sports entirely, if we are suppose to be equal in absolutely every way [intelligence included] then the the NBA have more White and Asian people on it. Right now Its 80%+ black, way out of proportion of the number of black people in the country. In Athletics Black people are superior if you go by averages, so why should intelligence be different since it is supposedly a inheritable attribute just as Athletic ability is.

In athletics, blacks as a whole probably aren't superior by average. With professional sports we're looking at the very best of the best, the extreme outliers. There is some scientific term for that but I can't remember what it is.

It's completely possible that one ethnic group is more intelligent than another on average, but so far science says that's not what explains the IQ gap, much less graduation rates.

Blacks aren't even one ethnic group... There is more diversity among Africans than all the other races on earth put together, because the rest of us evolved from a small group of Africans. "White" and "Asian" aren't really ethnic groups either.
 
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MrMatt

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It appears that genetics is the prime mover here with cultural aspects being secondary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

"Nisbett summarises the findings of Rushton and Jensen as follows:[22]
  1. Since heritability of intelligence is high in the white population, the probability is high that a large portion of the black-white racial IQ gap is genetic in origin
  2. The gap is not caused by cultural differences, because culture-fair tests only increase the gap
  3. The average IQ of 70 for sub-Saharan Africans is lower than that of African Americans because 20% of the latters' gene pool is European
  4. Blacks score comparatively lower on questions with high general intelligence loadings, which are more affected by genetics
  5. Questions distinguishing "inbreeding depression" - low scores due to closely related parents - also distinguish the black-white racial gap
  6. Brain size is correlated to IQ and blacks have smaller brains than whites
  7. Speed of reaction is faster for those with higher IQs and whites have a higher speed of reaction to blacks
  8. The IQs of children of black parents with a high IQ regress to a lower mean than children of white parents with the same IQ, supporting a genetic explanation
  9. Interracial adoption studies support a genetic rather than an environmental explanation"

Is this a joke? There's a huge western bias in the Wechsler IQ test, natives of non-western countries, when given it test lower.
 

HumblePie

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I'm responding to Doc Savage Fan's eagerness to blame the supposed genetic inferiority of blacks.

Same here.

Doc Savage doesn't seem to realize correlation does not equate to causation on this issue here. I was pointing out that genetics is a potential, not a frame. I was also pointing out that all humans have pretty much the same genetics and genes can be turned on and off during growth and development. Which makes the point of genetics being the major factor a small correlation indeed. Other correlation such as proper education, social pressure, nutrition, and peer/parental support are much larger factors in what shapes our lives. Many of the brightest people in the world came from the worst "stock" humanity has to offer.

By just sticking the label, oh you are black thus your genetics preclude you to be more than likely stupider than others is a fairly racist point of view.
 

BoberFett

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By just sticking the label, oh you are black thus your genetics preclude you to be more than likely stupider than others is a fairly racist point of view.

Not to mention that once genetics comes into it, a conservative leaning person is defeating their own goals. If intelligence is genetic and unavoidable based on race, you now have to set up a bureaucracy to even the playing field. Spend more on their education, ease graduation requirements, and even affirmative action becomes a necessity because it's genetically impossible for blacks to compete with other races. You'd think a right winger would rather argue that blacks just need to shape the fuck up.
 

punjabiplaya

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+1 for a culture that ostracizes intellect

edit: I lived in the projects in Galveston, Tx. I've seen so much of it, I can't stand to think about it. What a miserable time in my life.
 

Binarycow

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Poor Asians people tend to have the smartest kids since they pretty much beat their kids into being at the top of the class. Wealthier Asians tend to be more Americanized and dont beat on their kids as much, but their kids do well anyway.

so beating is the missing/lurking variable here. I keep telling me wife that occasional LAPD-style beatings done by me mom did us 3 boys good and yet she keeps refusing me done the same thing to our only son.
 

Binarycow

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Graduating high school has nothing to do with intelligence, so it's irrelevant in this conversation. We're not talking about graduating with honors or high GPAs and advanced classes. We're simply talking about not dropping out before you finish. The only things that matter are work ethic and priorities.

this pretty much ends the discussion.
 

Orignal Earl

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As America continues its spiral downwards toward 3rd world status. Americans who have had to supplement their own failures in life by draping themselves with former success of the US as a whole, are now striking out at anything and everything they can to feel important again.

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IQ test really does not mean anything. IQ test is more a device developed to test the ability to learn in a western educational system. The test is actually a poor measure of intelligence. Intelligence itself is not very well defined either and not understood completely. So you can generally disregard IQ tests and notions of intelligence. Not to say that there isn't a correlation between high IQ scores and intelligence, but only within the type of intelligence they measure.

Sure, you can define intelligence to be whatever you want it to be.

In the case of the IQ tests, what if they measure things like problem solving ability, mathematical ability, and language ability--things that we might think of as being part of the "core" components of intelligence? Other forms of intelligence such as emotional intelligence might be nice, but if you can't think at all, what good is it?
 
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It's really clear to me that the most significant factor aside from culture is NUTRITION. Blacks are much less well nourished than other races in this country, and nutrition is extremely important when the brain is developing in the womb and during childhood. That's hardly ever talked about because it's extremely politically incorrect. Just try to tell a family that the fast food or vegan diet they're forcing on their kids will result in lower intelligence, and they'll probably go off about "telling them how to raise their kids".

That might very well be a factor, but what makes you think that genetics does not also play a role? We know that people of different races have slightly different genetic characteristics and that different groups of people continued to evolve slightly after they split off from one another tens of thousands of years ago. Given that, doesn't it seem logical that some groups might be more predisposed to a higher or lower amount of intelligence than others? Ashkenazi Jews, for example, tend to have the highest average IQs.
 
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Narmer

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My friend went to Brooklyn Technical High School, a specialized high school in NYC. Back in the 1990s the student population stood at 40% Black, 40% Asian, 10% White, 10% Others. Today, it is 12% Black, 57% Asian, 31% White and others (I did not find out the specifics). It seems like Blacks just can not keep up.
 
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Here are some articles I found at VDare.com about IQ and the racial IQ gaps that may be of interest. I don't vouch for any of this material nor am I saying that I think it's correct. Rather, it just might make for interesting reading for people who are interested in the subject.


Race/ IQ Explanation Gap At “Achievement Gap Summit”

Nisbett Wrong, Again—No Black Gains In Reading and Mathematics Over Five Decades

Why Do We Keep Writing About Intelligence? An IQ FAQ

Debating the Unmentionable: The Black-White IQ Gap

Thinking More About the Unthinkable: The Black-White IQ Gap

Average IQ by State: Honest Numbers at Last
 

alphatarget1

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The society pushes African American kids to only focus on sports. Maaaaaybe 1-2% of the kids will make it pro, but the rest are fucked since they only know how to play sports.

And then like a large number of the ones who do make it pro have no idea how to handle $$$, piss it all away and they go broke by the time they are 40-50 after a hard career. It's just another form of slavery.
 
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Binarycow

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The society pushes African American kids to only focus on sports. Maaaaaybe 1-2% of the kids will make it pro, but the rest are fucked since they only know how to play sports.

And then like a large number of the ones who do make it pro have no idea how to handle $$$, piss it all away and they go broke by the time they are 40-50 after a hard career. It's just another form of slavery.

self-imposed slavery, if you put it like that.
 

Ns1

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The poorer kids fall behind more and more each year, while those with money push forward a bit each year. At the end of 12 years, the differences are massive.

BULLSHIT

poor vietnamese immigrants would disagree
 

alphatarget1

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self-imposed slavery, if you put it like that.

I certainly think some elements in the AA community shares blame. I do think the society at large does push AA kids to focus on sports more than anything, even though if they took academics more seriously, a lot more of them would benefit from things like affirmative action (which I don't agree with but that's for another discussion).

With that said, what is our society pushing the next generation towards? Looking at shows like the Kardashians make me want to puke- why would people want to live like those retards and how many teenage girls want to be like them?
 

Throckmorton

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That might very well be a factor, but what makes you think that genetics does not also play a role? We know that people of different races have slightly different genetic characteristics and that different groups of people continued to evolve slightly after they split off from one another tens of thousands of years ago. Given that, doesn't it seem logical that some groups might be more predisposed to a higher or lower amount of intelligence than others? Ashkenazi Jews, for example, tend to have the highest average IQs.

Because unlike Ashkenazi Jews, "black" isn't an ethnicity or a population.
 

5150Joker

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Ashkenazi Jews, for example, tend to have the highest average IQs.


Wrong, it's Asians that tend to have the highest IQ's. Not that these IQ tests really mean much.

Here are some articles I found at VDare.com about IQ and the racial IQ gaps that may be of interest. I don't vouch for any of this material nor am I saying that I think it's correct. Rather, it just might make for interesting reading for people who are interested in the subject.


All crap sources. Why don't you just reference some Aryan Resistance website while you're at it? A proper source with the breakdown of scholastic success in the US: http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2010/2010015/
 
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