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Lifer
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College Football and in some instances College Basketball, IE: revenue sports, DO NOT fund academics. They fund Title IX and other non revenue sports. They fund all women sports, baseball, and the olympic sports schools have. In some instances as of late, Texas A&M, athletics has had to borrow from the academics side of the school.

Wow he has no fucking clue what the fuck he is talking about. Seriously what the fuck Classy?
 

classy

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Wow he has no fucking clue what the fuck he is talking about. Seriously what the fuck Classy?

LOL

How do you think those science labs and nice new buidlings at places like Duke, Notre Dame get there? College athletics is bigtime money. Dude you wouldn't know what a clue is even I bought the game and gave it you. This is going off track......
 

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Lifer
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Wow he has no fucking clue what the fuck he is talking about. Seriously what the fuck Classy?

Here is a clue for you jackass

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...greenstein_1_btn-big-ten-network-tv-executive
Big Ten could see TV money skyrocket with expansion
As number of subscriptions rise, multiplication adds up to considerable sum
May 13, 2010|By Teddy Greenstein | Tribune staff reporter

The Big Ten Network has evolved from "fledgling" (221 newspaper mentions) to a "cash cow" (PennLive.com) to the driving force behind conference expansion.

All in a span of less than three years.

Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany predicted this would happen. Long before entering a self-imposed "silent" phase, he spelled it out during a 2007 visit to the Des Moines Register's editorial board.


"With the network, there's a different element. It changes the dynamics," he said. "The broader it is distributed, the more value it has. We have eight states. With expansion, you could have nine."

Or 10 or 11 or 12 …

The BTN collects rights fees (via cable and satellite companies) of 70 cents to 80 cents per month from its subscribers in the eight-state footprint. Those in states such as Nebraska and New York, who get the channel via a sports tier, chip in about 10 cents per month.

Nearly 45 million people get the channel, and advertising revenue is pouring in, up 30 percent last year.

The BTN allows the Big Ten, which owns 51 percent of the channel (Fox holds the other 49 percent), to fill the pockets of its schools with a dual revenue stream.

Last year, schools received roughly $9 million each from the conference's deal with ABC/ESPN and another $7 million to $8 million from the BTN. Add revenue from bowl games, the NCAA basketball tournament and licensing, and you arrive at the estimated $22 million-a-year distribution figure that's the envy of every Division I school outside the Southeastern Conference.

If the Big Ten expands and chooses the right schools, conference officials have seen estimates of television revenues doubling by 2015-16.

If the conference could lock up the tri-state area (New York/New Jersey/Connecticut) by adding schools such as Rutgers, Syracuse and Connecticut — granted, a big "if" — it could add more than 9 million TV households. Rutgers is also an hour from Philadelphia and its 2.95 million households.

"That's a lot of homes," one TV executive said, "and a lot of money."

More teams not only would bring wider BTN distribution and the potential for a conference championship game in football (worth upward of $15 million), but also would mean "increased inventory" in TV parlance — from 44 conference football games to 56 (with 14 teams) or 64 (with 16 teams).

Or maybe the Big Ten would shift to a fan-friendly (and TV-friendly) nine-game conference schedule, which is not possible with an 11-team conference.

Those extra games would keep ABC/ESPN happy while allowing the BTN to stage a tripleheader every Saturday.

If the Big Ten really wants to maximize revenues, as one TV executive pointed out, it could alter its philosophy on prime-time weekday games.

The conference already has softened that policy, which is in place because Thursday night games can disrupt campus life and cost players and students class time.

Ohio State and Indiana will host night games on Thursday, Sept. 2. Ohio State is on the quarter system and won't have class that week, but Indiana's classes start the previous Monday.

In January, Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith pointed to four pluses of moving the Buckeyes' game against Marshall to Thursday night: more exposure (on BTN), cooler temperatures, breaking up a string of four straight Saturday home games and "it will allow fans to enjoy other events throughout the Labor Day weekend."


Any questions?
 

classy

Lifer
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Wow he has no fucking clue what the fuck he is talking about. Seriously what the fuck Classy?

Here is another clue for free, because clearly you're totally stupid in this area

http://www.trackemtigers.com/2010/6/22/1529465/sec-revenue-disbursement-status
We here in the SEC are in the football beniss, and cousin, beniss is booming! With the recently concluded SEC spring meetings, it looks like the total take of the conference in revenue was $209 million last year and pay czar Mike Slive got to dole out $17.42M per school.


This why places like Michigan are going to always make sure they can recruit top college talent, even if they have to make exceptions on academics. Tim Tebow was more valuable to Florida than any student on campus. College is not just about academics anymore.
 

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Lifer
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Here is another clue for free, because clearly you're totally stupid in this area

http://www.trackemtigers.com/2010/6/22/1529465/sec-revenue-disbursement-status



This why places like Michigan are going to always make sure they can recruit top college talent, even if they have to make exceptions on academics. Tim Tebow was more valuable to Florida than any student on campus. College is not just about academics anymore.

.... For the majority of colleges and universities this is not true. It's not even remotely true for most of them. So yeah, you're a moron for thinking those sports pay for the school. Not to mention, you think 17m a year covers any of those schools? The smallest of the SEC has like 12,000 students, the largest has like 40-50k. Rofl, yeah a school gets 17 million and it only costs them roughly 350 per student per year, rofl moron.
 

classy

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For businesses and Colleges that 'honor' AA and use a points system [which is pretty common], you would never know that AA is being used. Its a silent system. Put in your job or College application, check mark the 'im black' box and you get instant "bonus" points for yourself.

There was a lawsuit against the University of Michigan about this. That university uses a 150 point system to 'grade' applicants to see who gets in. For being Black/Hispanic or Native American...You get a bonus of 20 points at that College, out of a 150 point max that you can score.

And that lawsuit was over ruled on btw, so that 'bonus' is still active at that University and many other Jobs and Colleges use the same type of silent 'bonus points for being black' system.

How is that fair to White people or Asians ? Its not. And why dont Asians get a bonus, they are more of a minority than blacks or Latinos are.

Heres a link to that case-
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/15/bush.affirmativeaction/

And a quote from it-

"In the University of Michigan case, white students opposed to the program filed suits against the school. One lawsuit challenged the affirmative action program at the College of Literature, Science and the Arts, and another lawsuit challenged admissions policies using race at the law school.

The undergraduate admission process involves a point system where African-American, Hispanic and Native American applicants earn 20 points on the basis of race out of a 150-point system."

.... For the majority of colleges and universities this is not true. It's not even remotely true for most of them. So yeah, you're a moron for thinking those sports pay for the school. Not to mention, you think 17m a year covers any of those schools? The smallest of the SEC has like 12,000 students, the largest has like 40-50k. Rofl, yeah a school gets 17 million and it only costs them roughly 350 per student per year, rofl moron.

Maybe if you read how the discussion about AA and Michigan came up maybe you would actually understand. Know what I mean there, vagina? Its kinda funny, its always easy with you because you never ever have any facts to back up anything you post. You might be the dumbest poster I have seen come through here in the last decade.
 

theevilsharpie

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your solution promotes nothing other than teaching them how to pass a test.

They need to have mastered the material to pass said test (particularly with an A), so I fail to see why "teaching them how to pass a test" is in any way negative, which the tone of your post seems to imply.

black culture is the main problem. black culture says it's not cool to go to school to get your learn on. this is what has to change.

Black culture, lulz.

Black culture, at least what you see on TV, is about maximizing material possessions and "turf." All of this comes back to money. Make succeeding in school immediately profitable, and you'll be shocked at how quickly school becomes "cool."
 

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Lifer
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Maybe if you read how the discussion about AA and Michigan came up maybe you would actually understand. Know what I mean there, vagina? Its kinda funny, its always easy with you because you never ever have any facts to back up anything you post. You might be the dumbest poster I have seen come through here in the last decade.

Yeah I read all that, what I'm saying is your post that I quoted is fucking wrong and your statement was fucking wrong so you are fucking wrong. Your facts don't back up your claim so you are WRONG. Anything else on Affirmative Action is besides the point, you said "oh well these sports pay for the rest of the kids to go to school" that isn't fucking true in the least unless you think 350 dollars per student is enough to run the school on. Fucking moron.
 

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Here is another clue for free, because clearly you're totally stupid in this area

http://www.trackemtigers.com/2010/6/22/1529465/sec-revenue-disbursement-status



This why places like Michigan are going to always make sure they can recruit top college talent, even if they have to make exceptions on academics. Tim Tebow was more valuable to Florida than any student on campus. College is not just about academics anymore.

you really don't have a clue. The revenue for just University of Florida is $3,429,182,223 for the 2009-10 year. The revenue for the entire athletic department is $93,221,103 or 2.7% of revenue and it has a surplus of a whopping $1,735,428 or 0.05% of revenue.

www.ir.ufl.edu/factbook/v-15_hist.xls
 

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No Lifer
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I may be excessively summarizing but am I reading that it's ok to have Black students receive extra points during admissions based on their skin color because as physical work horses in the athletics program they contribute to additional monies coming into the school? That's got to be helpful for them. "Son, you're frankly too stupid to compete with Whites in an objective comparison of academics but you sure do have a set of lungs on you so we'll let you in anyway."
 

ShawnD1

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so you'd rather bribe the kids to do something they're already supposed to be doing.

When I was a kid, my parents would give me money based on how well I did in school. $100 for 70% then $10 for every percent off of that. If I had an average of 84% across the 4 main classes (english, math, science, social studies) then I would get $240. When you're in grade 5, that's a lot of money. I didn't try too hard in school, but my parents never had to remind me to do my homework or anything like that. Aside from a small weekly allowance, school was my only source of money, and I had to buy my own shit. If I want to buy a Nintendo, I need to buy that with my own money, or I need to wait until Christmas and chip in a certain amount of money (our Christmas gifts could not exceed $100).

Of course this only works on the level of parents giving money. As stated by others, a program where the government hands out money like this would cause a lot of children to get beaten, teachers threatened, etc. Bad parents are out there! They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever! Until you are dead!
 

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No Lifer
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Of course this only works on the level of parents giving money. As stated by others, a program where the government hands out money like this would cause a lot of children to get beaten, teachers threatened, etc. Bad parents are out there! They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever! Until you are dead!
I fvcking love you. Reese FTW

If money ACTUALLY motivates kids to do materially better I think it's worth it. It's cheaper to pay some punk $500/semester even than $30-40k/year to keep him in prison from his GTA conviction later on.
 

classy

Lifer
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Yeah I read all that, what I'm saying is your post that I quoted is fucking wrong and your statement was fucking wrong so you are fucking wrong. Your facts don't back up your claim so you are WRONG. Anything else on Affirmative Action is besides the point, you said "oh well these sports pay for the rest of the kids to go to school" that isn't fucking true in the least unless you think 350 dollars per student is enough to run the school on. Fucking moron.

you really don't have a clue. The revenue for just University of Florida is $3,429,182,223 for the 2009-10 year. The revenue for the entire athletic department is $93,221,103 or 2.7% of revenue and it has a surplus of a whopping $1,735,428 or 0.05% of revenue.

www.ir.ufl.edu/factbook/v-15_hist.xls


The poster brought up the Michigan case where they defended the policy of using race as basis for entry. Now why would they do that? Simple, money. The need to be able to recruit top flight college players, who are black but not up to academic standards. But a Desmond Howard is more valauble than every science geek wrapped up regardless of race. Think Not? Here is an article on the top college football programs and their value. Let me just quote a few so you dummies can actually understand something.

http://www.businesspundit.com/the-12-most-valuable-teams-in-ncaa-football/

Not only are the Texas Longhorns the most valuable college football team, they are also the most valuable NCAA team in any college sport. According to CBS Sports, the Longhorns are valued at approximately $119 million, and turned a $59 million profit last year. Perhaps appropriately, the University of Texas made its head coach – Mack Brown – the highest paid football coach of any college program, committing $5.1 million for next season on December 10, 2009 according to USA Today.. In doing so, Brown became the first NCAA football coach to cross the $5 million per year barrier. However, the salary is being paid from athletics department revenue, which “receives no government or institutional support and has transferred more than $6.6 million to the university since the 2005-06 fiscal year.” University of Texas is also “among 25 of 120 major-college programs that made more on athletics than they spent in 2007-08.”

You think this school gives a damn about some white student complaining about not getting entry over someone like Vince Young.

The team the Longhorns surpassed as the most valuable college football team is this year’s number two – Notre Dame’s Fighting Irish. Valued at $108 million and boasting profits of $38 million (according to Forbes) the Fighting Irish have long been one of the most widely followed teams in NCAA football. Seven Heisman Trophy winners have played for Notre Dame, as well as 95 consensus All-Americans. Furthermore, Notre Dame Stadium (where the team plays its home games) seats more people than some NFL stadiums do – 80,795 at last count. The team has also won eight national championships, and owes much of its current value to consistently being a contender year in and year out.


At first glance, it probably seems strange to see a Nebraska team rank so high on this list. A state which sells t-shirts that proudly exclaim “Nebraska – We Got Nothin” doesn’t exactly smack of athletic excellence or acclaim. However, the Cornhuskers are actually the fourth most valuable college football team in America, turning a $49 million profit on a $93 million total value. Loyalty is also alive and well at the school. According to Forbes, “donations required by Nebraska for season ticket holders to keep their seats totaled $15 million last season.” Head coach Bo Pelini is the 25th highest paid coach in college football, earning just a shade over $1.8 million per season.

One of the greatest measures of a team’s popularity is how much of the athletic department’s donations are generated by the team itself. It would be tough to imagine beating the Oklahoma Sooners in that department, especially after 92% of the $19 million raised in donations last year was generated by the team. Such a tremendous amount of fan loyalty goes a long way toward explaining the $83 million value attached to the Sooners, as well as the $40 million in profit last year. Head coach Bob Stoops is the second-highest paid coach in the Big 12 conference and the fifth highest overall, earning a yearly salary of $3.8 million to spearhead the Sooners on-field strategy.

19 million just in donations. That is donations, lol.

The third most valuable Big 10 team (according to ESPN) is the University of Michigan Wolverines. It was somewhat of a down year for Michigan however, which slipped to number 11 from number 4 last year. Nevertheless, the Wolverines are valued at $81 million, turned a $34 million profit, and is preparing to embark upon a “400,00 square-foot expansion project that will add 83 suites and 3,200 club seats to Michigan Stadium” that is expected to be completed in time for the start of next year’s season. Head coach Rich Rodriguez earns $2.9 million per year, placing him in a three-way tie for the 9th highest paid NCAA football coach in the country.

How do you think they are paying for that expansion.


Thats just football. Do even get me started on basketball. And baseball is picking up TV steam as well. I would imagine college track if it ain't already, soon will be a revenue sport as well. When I addressed the Michigan post it was only to offer a reason as to their stance on using race as a basis for college entry.

Now what were you two geniuses saying again?
 

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Thats just football. Do even get me started on basketball. And baseball is picking up TV steam as well. I would imagine college track if it ain't already, soon will be a revenue sport as well. When I addressed the Michigan post it was only to offer a reason as to their stance on using race as a basis for college entry.
Couldn't they simply do what makes sense which is to consider one's athletic achievements instead of arbitrarily scoring points to a black guy? There are plenty of fat black and white and whatever else guys who can't run across a parking lot.
 

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Has anyone mentioned that one study from Shaker Heights near Cleveland where the african-american families in that community actually had a slightly higher median income than the whites but still had significantly lower academic performance.
 

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Now what were you two geniuses saying again?

I think they were saying that college is for learning, not for playing sports and that the athletic money pretty much only pays for their own programs. For most people sports is just a fun way to stay fit.

I think the argument you should be making is that having a good sports program helps a college because people like to watch good sports and be part of (even as just a spectator) a winning team. There really is no good way that I know of to quantify what a good sports program does for enrollment, but it can't be argued that it doesn't help.

Of course that doesn't mean that any of the athletes are making any undue sacrafices.
 
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ShawnD1

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Has anyone mentioned that one study from Shaker Heights near Cleveland where the african-american families in that community actually had a slightly higher median income than the whites but still had significantly lower academic performance.

There's nothing surprising about this. People who are very intelligent are often not very strong. The result is that super smart people with weak bodies get stuck in shitty jobs that don't pay anything - retail, fast food, etc.

People with no brains and strong backs are still very useful. Guys on oil rigs often get paid $20-30 per hour and they work 12 hours at a time. Guys doing construction in the city limits start at $18/hour and work 12 hours at a time. Construction outside of the city pays quite a bit more because it's harder to get people who will work out there.
How much does it pay if you have a degree in electrical engineering but work at Best Buy as a computer tech until you get a real engineering job? Only about $12 per hour. The guys with muscles get paid more in this case.
 

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I briefly considered getting a teaching certificate while I was in college, but a year substitute teaching helped me decide to go in a different direction. But I did meet a lot of other ed students, including a handful who did their student teaching in Detroit Public Schools. One thing I heard from all of them is that many of their students are sent off to school at age 5 with essentially zero preparation - they dont know the alphabet, cant count past 5, some dont know even know their given name, just a family nickname. There is an expectation that "school will teach them everything they need to know"
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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all kids are more or less equal regardless of race at birth.

Schools are more or less equal at the public level across the board as well.

What happens though is those with more money have more time to tutor their kids at night, on weekends and over holiday breaks...this tutoring sometimes is not apparent to the parents.

The poorer kids fall behind more and more each year, while those with money push forward a bit each year. At the end of 12 years, the differences are massive.

Unfortunately a lot of minority households are poorer than typical white ones.

That's just not true right there. Suburbs vs. inner city.
 

HumblePie

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I still think that college for academics and for sports should be separate. You want to go to be pro sports star? Then apply with all the others at the college, ie trade school, for it. Want to develop a brain? Apply at an academic college. Admissions are done based on merit.

ahh, this is not, nor will ever be, a perfect world.
 

Orignal Earl

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That's quite the complex you're developing!!

What then, scientifically speaking, is a "feeling-toned complex"? It is the image of a certain psychic situation which is strongly accentuated emotionally and is, moreover, incompatible with the habitual attitude of consciousness. This image has a powerful inner coherence, it has its own wholeness and, in addition, a relatively high degree of autonomy, so that it is subject to the control of the conscious mind to only a limited extent, and therefore behaves like an animated foreign body in the sphere of consciousness (Jung, [1960] 1969ar. 201).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_%28psychology)

It's all good - Earl, [2010] 2010ar 1
 
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