What are you saying here? What exactly is the difference between schools located in the suburbs vs. the inner city causing the discrepancy in performance?
What are you saying here? What exactly is the difference between schools located in the suburbs vs. the inner city causing the discrepancy in performance?That's just not true right there. Suburbs vs. inner city.
The main difference is simply that kids in the suburbs don't have a crack mom with an absent father and neighbors sniffing glue on the corner while running from the cops. Their family units are better so they are not starting off with one foot in loserdom already like the inner city kids born into poor circumstances.What are you saying here? What exactly is the difference between schools located in the suburbs vs. the inner city causing the discrepancy in performance?
I still think that college for academics and for sports should be separate. You want to go to be pro sports star? Then apply with all the others at the college, ie trade school, for it. Want to develop a brain? Apply at an academic college. Admissions are done based on merit.
ahh, this is not, nor will ever be, a perfect world.
LOL, Self diagnosis is a dangerous practice. In fact, it is one of the most likely ways to get a misdiagnosis.
To cut right to the chase. A black star athlete pays the bills for that white and asian student, especially at Michigan. If it wasn't for those athletes, many would not even be able to afford the tuition. College is just not the next step in development anymore for young people for just education. While it should be the focus, it can be debated. But yes Michigan and many other top schools well be more lenient for admission because those students actually give something back to the university.
I grew up in a blue collar suburban area, and the public schools there get about 70 percent of the per pupil funding that Detroit Public Schools gets. Yet the graduation rates and standardized test scores are running at 3x the level of Detroit. I went to a private high school that had to make due with about 40% of the funding (in this case directly via tuition) that Detroit gets, yet 99% of the students there went on to college. Sure the teachers made a laughable pittance and we didnt have amenities like a football field or a tennis court or a home ice rink but I got a great education.
State funding regulations basically siphon away extra money for Detroit, so it has consistently one of the highest rates of funding in the state, but its pretty much dead last in every testable category.
Your trying to justify it. AA covers latinos to, and they suck at sports for the most part [not counting Afro-Latinos like Sammy Sosa]. Bottom line is its not a fair system at all...And the only reason it continues is because black people are not scoring as they should. Myself I prefer a Merit system...Make the grade and you get in. Perhaps the school system would be less racially diverse that way but so what. I never had trouble getting into College but I can imagine that a White or Asian person who does not get 'bonus' points, and failed by 1 point...Would be really pissed knowing that a latino or black person in they're same situation would pass since they recieved 20 free 'bonus' points just for having dark skin.
Your trying to justify it. AA covers latinos to, and they suck at sports for the most part [not counting Afro-Latinos like Sammy Sosa]. Bottom line is its not a fair system at all...And the only reason it continues is because black people are not scoring as they should. Myself I prefer a Merit system...Make the grade and you get in. Perhaps the school system would be less racially diverse that way but so what. I never had trouble getting into College but I can imagine that a White or Asian person who does not get 'bonus' points, and failed by 1 point...Would be really pissed knowing that a latino or black person in they're same situation would pass since they recieved 20 free 'bonus' points just for having dark skin.
I never said asians were not minorities. I never said they were not discriminated against. All I said was, that asians are typically put forth as a gold standard for minority success. But the same rules are frequently not applied equally to asians in contrast to blacks and hispanics.
All the other stuff ain't worth discussing.
......rather than wondering if you will end up shot on the way home.....
.......If a black immigrant comes here, he is down on 15th street in some ghetto neighborhood. If a asian immigrant comes here they end up in the suburbs.......
.....Liquor stores. They build them like drinking water in black neighborhoods.....
Oh so angry...........but hey think what you want. College is not just about academics. I am not justifying anything, I merely showed you why Michigan defends their policy. And why should a blue chip athlete not get into a top flight school over some geek? If college provides the development he needs to be a professional, should he not also get that opportunity? What the hell is a Afro-Lantino? Thats just silly. And hey if they fail by one point, whose fault is that? If they have nothing else to offer, then go to another school.
How did I guess classy was going to get into a chest bumping match in this thread.
just look at DC schools. most money spent per student, yet it has some of the worst test scores.
I actually applied to grad school at U of Mich and wasnt accepted, despite graduating with honors from U of M's undergrad campus and loaded with recommendations from the profs with the best academic reputations. Im white, and frankly ill never know if I was lacking in academic credentials or if I was passed over for someone because they checked a different box in the race/national origin section of the app and the school wanted to meet a quota so they could feel better about themselves.
Isn't it amazing that 150 years ago students were able to learn to read, write, and do math in log schoolhouses without computers and without having $10,000/year spent on them? I get the sense that good education results are thus not about money.
State funding regulations basically siphon away extra money for Detroit, so it has consistently one of the highest rates of funding in the state, but its pretty much dead last in every testable category.
The reason money doesn't help is because many people haven't clued into the fact that you cannot teach an idiot how to build a nuclear bomb; you cannot lead a horse to water, etc. These school systems that do badly have one thing in common: Their kids are poor and/or come from sh*ty families. So of course private schools, that generally have less per-pupil money than public, do well because the kids in those schools are from families that are winners, that promote winning from their kids and don't tolerate sub-standard crap year after year from their kids. The reason black students do disproportionately badly is because their families are disproportionately bad. Their home environment is more likely to be a poor one.
The reason money doesn't help is because many people haven't clued into the fact that you cannot teach an idiot how to build a nuclear bomb; you cannot lead a horse to water, etc. These school systems that do badly have one thing in common: Their kids are poor and/or come from sh*ty families. So of course private schools, that generally have less per-pupil money than public, do well because the kids in those schools are from families that are winners, that promote winning from their kids and don't tolerate sub-standard crap year after year from their kids. The reason black students do disproportionately badly is because their families are disproportionately bad. Their home environment is more likely to be a poor one.
Ok. So Asians impress/enforce on their kids that education is vital and failure is a source of shame to the family. A lot of Black people (disclaimer: I'm black, female,widowed since the age of 24 and have a son in college)DON'T. Why? because those values were never instilled in THE PARENTS so the vicious cycle continues.
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The reason money doesn't help is because many people haven't clued into the fact that you cannot teach an idiot how to build a nuclear bomb; you cannot lead a horse to water, etc. These school systems that do badly have one thing in common: Their kids are poor and/or come from sh*ty families. So of course private schools, that generally have less per-pupil money than public, do well because the kids in those schools are from families that are winners, that promote winning from their kids and don't tolerate sub-standard crap year after year from their kids. The reason black students do disproportionately badly is because their families are disproportionately bad. Their home environment is more likely to be a poor one.
Their culture sucks, there's no doubt about it.When you find just one "poor" black kid that achieves academic success, you prove that socio-economic status has nothing to do with it. Hell look at the academic success of POOR asian immigrants. They have LESS access to public assistance yet are infinitely more successful academically. As dingster1 stated, it's about the parents giving a shit, and in this case it's more or less a cultural issue. How the fuck do you fix culture?