They had his weapon, the car. He was not likely to harm anyone by any estimation. :thumbsup:
They had his weapon, the car. He was not likely to harm anyone by any estimation. :thumbsup:There are several videos from different perspectives. You'll have to link me to the one you're talking about. I can't really tell from what I've seen whether the officer fired at the split second he turned and either pointed or fired the taser that him or if it was a few second later.
But my point is this: he was RUNNING. He wasn't interested in harming the police. The taser he took was a non--lethal deterrent that he was using to get away. There was no need to shoot him. They could have picked him up later. They didn't even have to chase him when he ran. He didn't have a deadly weapon and they had his address.
Lethal force can't be used to prevent an escape except in narrow situations where the person is suspected of a violent felony and is armed with a deadly weapon.
Quoting SCOTUS here:
This was an inappropriate use of lethal force.
They didn't observe him driving. Was his car located on a public street? Nope, it was in a business's parking lot (drove-thru). Not the same.So how he was on the driver side inside his car and his car was at the Wendy's drive through? I remember a while back Tiger Wood did fall asleep in his car and the cop took TW to jail. Similar situation except TW did not run away and take anything from the cop and point at that cop.
Police report says Tiger Woods was found asleep in his car before being charged with DUI
Tiger Woods had to be woken up and had "extremely slow and slurred" speech, according to a police report.www.businessinsider.com
They didn't observe him driving. Was his car located on a public street? Nope, it was in a business's parking lot (drove-thru). Not the same.
He wasn't driving ! Why do you need to lie?
Exactly. The Wendy's footage is clear. The cop's life was not in danger. Someone can't see that video footage and come to any other honest conclusion.I find you sudden concern of the possible death from tasers fascinating.
I have NEVER EVER heard any police department characterize a taser as lethal force. If they were in a category of lethal force then they wouldn't be necessary.
They should let him reach a safe hiding place with weapons and then go get him later. Right? He hasn't shown any signs that he might resist later. Right?From what I can tell (hard for me to see in the video) does he draw the gun BEFORE the guy clearly turns to fire the taser at him?
I think it was very clear to me that the weapon was drawn precisely as a response to the action of aiming and firing a taser at him. Period. Up until that point, it was a chasing game - to which the cops have every right to do.
And did you SERIOUSLY just say "why did they (the cops) need to escalate the situation by chasing after him"? Fucking REALLY? That is quite possibly the winning prize for dumbest point. The cops didn't escalate shit until they felt threatened - I think everyone with a brain size larger than a peanut here can understand that the crux of the escalation was at the point of refusing handcuffs. Up until then it was very calm, very reasonable, and entirely appropriate.
How did he get to the drive thru?He wasn't driving ! Why do you need to lie?
It's unreasonable to argue that he was sober and unimpaired and mentally stable while choosing that location to stop his car before getting intoxicated.They didn't observe him driving. Was his car located on a public street? Nope, it was in a business's parking lot (drove-thru). Not the same.
I find you sudden concern of the possible death from tasers fascinating.
I have NEVER EVER heard any police department characterize a taser as lethal force. If they were in a category of lethal force then they wouldn't be necessary.
But where was TW's car parked?The cop in my link did not see TW driving either. The point is you can't just say "oh officer, you did not see me driving so take a hike".
Then I'm sure we can find a post in your history voicing your objections to police using tasers. Please enlighten us.I totally think it's a deadly weapon. This isn't small numbers - and it sure as fuck isn't something I would ever want to take a chance with.
Why don't you line up and volunteer for us and lets see how fun it is?
Reuters finds 1,005 deaths in U.S. involving Tasers, largest accounting to date
More than 1,000 people in the U.S. have died after police stunned them with Tasers, and the stun gun was ruled to be a cause or contributing factor in 153 of those deaths, a Reuters examination found.www.reuters.com
And personally, I'm onboard with getting rid of tasers until they can stop having so many deaths associated with them. Non-Lethal = non-life threatening. If 200+ people have been killed a DIRECT result (1000+ as an indirect result), they sounds pretty life threatening.
But hey - why do you go have some fun playing Russian roulette.
So tasers do not have a "significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others." according to you?
The death rate of people by tasers would HIGHLY disagree with that statement good sir.
I mean you guys DO understand that the whole game of "running from the cops" and trying to assault them is not something that happens in other countries right? Especially if you just got pulled over and had a sobriety test, breathalyzer, etc...
I'm sorry, but until we teach people that running from the cops (and fighting back after being tackled to the ground) WILL NEVER SERVE YOU WELL then we will continue to have these problems.
But where was TW's car parked?
He wasn't driving ! Why do you need to lie?
Hypothetical: would you rather take a bullet to center-mass or a taser with one of the barbed electrodes in your eyeball?I totally think it's a deadly weapon. This isn't small numbers - and it sure as fuck isn't something I would ever want to take a chance with.
Why don't you line up and volunteer for us and lets see how fun it is?
Reuters finds 1,005 deaths in U.S. involving Tasers, largest accounting to date
More than 1,000 people in the U.S. have died after police stunned them with Tasers, and the stun gun was ruled to be a cause or contributing factor in 153 of those deaths, a Reuters examination found.www.reuters.com
And personally, I'm onboard with getting rid of tasers until they can stop having so many deaths associated with them. Non-Lethal = non-life threatening. If 200+ people have been killed a DIRECT result (1000+ as an indirect result), they sounds pretty life threatening.
But hey - why do you go have some fun playing Russian roulette.
He should ask himself where the man in the OP incident was parked. Damning evidence of DUI and obvious grounds for detention + investigation + arrest.Goodness. How you try to spin.
Remember this? Your point of argument and I quoted you and counter pointed-
My counter point with link about TW was it does NOT matter whether the cop(s) saw you driving or not.
See the point yet or you still try to grap..."but..but..but...where was the car parked"?
...when he pointed it at them and pulled the trigger. They were just chasing before that (perfectly fine).How were the cops in danger when he was running away from them? Running away from cops = excuse to get executed by them?
Once the effective distance of the tasers leads are reached they are zero danger....when he pointed it at them and pulled the trigger.
These are often classified as "less lethal" instead of non-lethal but what is more relevant is that it would disable the officer and potentially let him take the officer's gun. It's a weapon and a threat to the officer even if it's not a steictly lethal weapon.
Goodness. How you try to spin.
Remember this? Your point of argument and I quoted you and counter pointed-
My counter point with link about TW was it does NOT matter whether the cop(s) saw you driving or not. Not about where the location of the vehicle.
See the point yet or you still try to grap..."but..but..but...where was the car parked"?
So are you going to answer the question how he was able to get to Wendy's? Walking with his car pulled by him for several miles?
So, they aren't allowed to catch up to him? Remember: They drew their guns later, after he pointed the taser at them and pulled the trigger. Before that they were just chasing, which is fine. Well, the other tried to use his taser first which meant neither had tasers after that.Once the effective distance of the tasers leads are reached they are zero danger.
Once the effective distance of the tasers leads are reached they are zero danger.
How were the cops in danger when he was running away from them? Running away from cops = excuse to get executed by them?
I like Reuters but i'm blind or this article is crap. Am i missing the source data for this study?I totally think it's a deadly weapon. This isn't small numbers - and it sure as fuck isn't something I would ever want to take a chance with.
Why don't you line up and volunteer for us and lets see how fun it is?
Reuters finds 1,005 deaths in U.S. involving Tasers, largest accounting to date
More than 1,000 people in the U.S. have died after police stunned them with Tasers, and the stun gun was ruled to be a cause or contributing factor in 153 of those deaths, a Reuters examination found.www.reuters.com
And personally, I'm onboard with getting rid of tasers until they can stop having so many deaths associated with them. Non-Lethal = non-life threatening. If 200+ people have been killed a DIRECT result (1000+ as an indirect result), they sounds pretty life threatening.
But hey - why do you go have some fun playing Russian roulette.
Hypothetical: would you rather take a bullet to center-mass or a taser with one of the barbed electrodes in your eyeball?