black people should "get over slavery"

[Gdepp519]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: mugs
As far as "getting over" slavery because it ended over 100 years ago - some people are really clueless about life outside of their little bubble. Slavery may have ended in 1865, but laws and government policies that were harmful to black people persisted for more than 100 years after that. And racism still persists today. Do they deserve reparations? No way. Is an apology warranted? Yeah, I think so. Is it a sad reflection on our country that so many people are vehemently against that apology? Hell yes.

Some of us don't know how lucky we are to have not been born black. Yes, you control your own destiny, but it's much easier to move up in life when the deck isn't stacked against you from the get-go. I'm glad I'm not black.

1. Racism and policies existed because PEOPLE WON'T FREAKING GET OVER IT. If they had, then none of that would exist anymore. It's people who keep bringing it up and demanding money because their great-great-great grandfather was a slave. Boohoo.

Are you kidding me? You're blaming Jim Crow laws and institutional racism such as racial segregation on black people?

2. They have been apologized to many times. Enough is enough. Besides, who is going to apologize to who? Someone who never owned a slave is going to apologize to someone who never was a slave? That is dumb.

Apparantly the state government of Virginia is going to apologize because the state laws of Virginia allowed slavery to exist in the state of Virginia.

3. The deck is not stacked against you if you are black. The problem is that many blacks choose to just wallow in self pity over the fact that they are black and look for handouts rather than getting an education and making something of themselves. There are plenty of successful black people to prove this right.

This one makes my head hurt. Yes, it is more difficult for black people to succeed in this country. I'm on my way out the door so I can't explain it in depth, but I'd be happy to indulge you when I get back. But to sum it up:

1. Education. Black people generally live in cities, where the quality of education is worse.
2. Socialization. Networking helps you get good jobs. White people have a lot of white friends. Black people have a lot of black friends. Which group do you think gets more help from their friends in finding jobs?
3. Racism. You can't deny it, it still exists. There are a lot of people in positions to hire that have racist attitudes toward blacks. Conscious of sub-conscious. It happens. (edit: case in point - people like you who think they're lazy)

*applaud*

 

[fallenangel99]

1. Education. Black people generally live in cities, where the quality of education is worse.
2. Socialization. Networking helps you get good jobs. White people have a lot of white friends. Black people have a lot of black friends. Which group do you think gets more help from their friends in finding jobs?
3. Racism. You can't deny it, it still exists. There are a lot of people in positions to hire that have racist attitudes toward blacks. Conscious of sub-conscious. It happens. (edit: case in point - people like you who think they're lazy)

1. Take recent immigrants. They come to U.S. live in 1 room apartment with 10 family members and STILL manage to get through school and get a good job. Hell even Mexicans are hardworking thanks Blacks!

2. Which people have better jobs? Don't blame people just because blacks don't help blacks get jobs (and decent jobs at least)

3. Yes, there might be some. But why are Asians getting hired over blacks then? Asians (1st generation or recent immigrants) have bad accents, and can't sometimes realyl communicate that well, but they still get the jobs over blacks. Why? Education. I guarantee you there are , in general, more educated Asians than Blacks. EVEN THOUGH Asians are more "new" to the U.S. and its culture.

It's all about culture - sad to say the black culture is.. you know.. Blacks should listen to Bill Cosby and start cleaning up.

I, and i know all my friends agree with me, would never live in a majority black neighborhood.

P.S.: I have a black friends and they are far from "ghetto". In fact, they can put together a complete sentence

 

[meltdown75]

i'm only black on the dance floor!

 

[palindrome]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: palindrome
/rant

My girlfriend, who grew up with her aunt and uncle because her dad died when she was an infant and her mom is in jail, was told by a university that "maybe college isn't for her." She had a 3.85 GPA and made the dean's list for both semester's she had attended that school. She was denied the scholarship money she was promised for housing and living expenses (some $3k per semester) after the school year started. Please note that the head of financial services was a black lady and she always rudely referred to my girlfriend as "little white girl." Plus 90% of the black students who go to that school are on full scholarships. Half of them make consistent C's D's and F's in their classes. YET, they retain their scholarship! The second this fvcking country stops bending over backwards for black people is the moment I'll stop being racist. My family doesn't have much money, my girlfriend's family doesn't have much money. Yet, since we are in the "white" category, we get nothing.

IF YOU WANT TO BE EQUAL, STOP DEMANDING SPECIAL TREATMENT.

Fvck everyone who thinks black people should be treated differently! We don't treat Mexicans, Europeans, Asians, etc, etc as drastically different as we treat black people, ESPECIALLY financially. Anyone wonder why the government is in dept? It's because we pay out so much money to people who are too fvcking lazy to get a half decent job, or how to properly use a condom! Having babies should not equal money from the government.

/end rant

yeah. uh huh. sure.

if she is getting a 3.85gp she is going to be accepted to a college. Also if her financial situation is so dire she can ge tgrants etc. If she does not like how she is treated then she can sue (it is still racism even if a black is the one doing it) or go to a diffrent college.

Also if the "blacks" are getting d's and F's they are NOT keeping any goverment grants/scholarships at all. if they are private then who gives a fvck?

it was a private school who made a LOT of false promises and the goverNment has nothing to do with how society feels we should treat blacks. Also, if she/we sued, she would be black balled (the irony) out of MANY jobs in the area due to affiliations. Also, due to her mother being in jail, grants are a HUGE hassle to get anyhow....

 

[Gdepp519]

Originally posted by: fallenangel99

1. Education. Black people generally live in cities, where the quality of education is worse.
2. Socialization. Networking helps you get good jobs. White people have a lot of white friends. Black people have a lot of black friends. Which group do you think gets more help from their friends in finding jobs?
3. Racism. You can't deny it, it still exists. There are a lot of people in positions to hire that have racist attitudes toward blacks. Conscious of sub-conscious. It happens. (edit: case in point - people like you who think they're lazy)

1. Take recent immigrants. They come to U.S. live in 1 room apartment with 10 family members and STILL manage to get through school and get a good job. Hell even Mexicans are hardworking thanks Blacks!

2. Which people have better jobs? Don't blame people just because blacks don't help blacks get jobs (and decent jobs at least)

3. Yes, there might be some. But why are Asians getting hired over blacks then? Asians (1st generation or recent immigrants) have bad accents, and can't sometimes realyl communicate that well, but they still get the jobs over blacks. Why? Education. I guarantee you there are , in general, more educated Asians than Blacks. EVEN THOUGH Asians are more "new" to the U.S. and its culture.

It's all about culture - sad to say the black culture is.. you know.. Blacks should listen to Bill Cosby and start cleaning up.

I, and i know all my friends agree with me, would never live in a majority black neighborhood.

P.S.: I have a black friends and they are far from "ghetto". In fact, they can put together a complete sentence

Where do you live??

 

[OrganizedChaos]

<---still waiting for his reparations from the roman empire

 

[ryan256]

Living in Alabama I find it difficult not to have a racism attitude about things. Mainly because it is pushed in your face nearly everyday and especially because so many keep living up to and proving the stereotypes correct! I've seen people who went to the same high school I did and had the exact same opportunities I did who never went to college and now work as janitors and short order cooks. And sorry but I used student loans to pay for all of my college and they could have too. That is... if they had payed attention in high school and gotten decent grades instead of acting all "gangsta". Yet they have the nerve to lecture me about how the white man keeps them down. Sorry but they're in their current situation because they're idiots! Not because of the white man. If anything... they are keeping me down! I can't tell you how pissed I was sitting across the table from a state hiring manager and hearing "You're the best applicant we've had and I'd love to hire you. But I can't, you're white." My girlfriend has told me about several hiring panels she's been a part of where HR has told them behind closed doors that they would only approve a minority.
We will not have a truly equal society until race is no longer even a considation.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: mugs
As far as "getting over" slavery because it ended over 100 years ago - some people are really clueless about life outside of their little bubble. Slavery may have ended in 1865, but laws and government policies that were harmful to black people persisted for more than 100 years after that. And racism still persists today. Do they deserve reparations? No way. Is an apology warranted? Yeah, I think so. Is it a sad reflection on our country that so many people are vehemently against that apology? Hell yes.

Some of us don't know how lucky we are to have not been born black. Yes, you control your own destiny, but it's much easier to move up in life when the deck isn't stacked against you from the get-go. I'm glad I'm not black.

While much of what you say is true, what do we have to apologize for? AFAIK, NONE of my family owned slaves per se, (except a few Native American tribes who kept captured enemies as slaves until they were assimilated into the tribe) nor do I know anyone alive who WAS a slave during the "legal slave years"...Nope, the slaves are all dead & gone, as are those who owned slaves. (at least in the USA) If the African-American people want to be pissed, or get reparations, they should go to the ones who sold them into slavery...Usually other African tribes, who captured them in battles or just in domination...
It's true that if there hadn't been a market for slaves, few would have been sold as such, but then again, instead of being sold as a comodity, many would have been killed as enemies...

Never forget that terrible chapter in our history, and never allow it to be repeated, but no reparations.
Wanna talk about un-fair treatment? When was the last time you heard of a "Bureau of African Affairs"?, or a "Bureau of Jewish Affairs"? The "American Indian" STILL has to deal with the BIA on the reservations...and are still getting robbed by the very people assigned to look out for their interests...

There is an old racist joke that says something like:
"The reason there are so many more black people than American Indians, is because they never got around to playing "Cowboys and Nig*ers"...horribly offensive, but true. The American Indians were wiped out enmasse to further the expansion of white people on this continent, and especially into the West...

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Gdepp519

Originally posted by: fallenangel99

1. Education. Black people generally live in cities, where the quality of education is worse.
2. Socialization. Networking helps you get good jobs. White people have a lot of white friends. Black people have a lot of black friends. Which group do you think gets more help from their friends in finding jobs?
3. Racism. You can't deny it, it still exists. There are a lot of people in positions to hire that have racist attitudes toward blacks. Conscious of sub-conscious. It happens. (edit: case in point - people like you who think they're lazy)

1. Take recent immigrants. They come to U.S. live in 1 room apartment with 10 family members and STILL manage to get through school and get a good job. Hell even Mexicans are hardworking thanks Blacks!

2. Which people have better jobs? Don't blame people just because blacks don't help blacks get jobs (and decent jobs at least)

3. Yes, there might be some. But why are Asians getting hired over blacks then? Asians (1st generation or recent immigrants) have bad accents, and can't sometimes realyl communicate that well, but they still get the jobs over blacks. Why? Education. I guarantee you there are , in general, more educated Asians than Blacks. EVEN THOUGH Asians are more "new" to the U.S. and its culture.

It's all about culture - sad to say the black culture is.. you know.. Blacks should listen to Bill Cosby and start cleaning up.

I, and i know all my friends agree with me, would never live in a majority black neighborhood.

P.S.: I have a black friends and they are far from "ghetto". In fact, they can put together a complete sentence

Where do you live??

Fortune 500 companies jizz in their pants when they meet an educated black applicant.

 

[Number1]

PBS played an outstanding documentary this week called A CLASS DIVIDED. It really opened my eyes to the long lasting effect discrimination can have on a group of people. I think it is relevant to this discussion.

The website: http://149.48.228.121/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/divided/

You can watch the documentary at:

http://149.48.228.121/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/divided/etc/view.html



If you have not seen this before and you care about the issue of race, you own it to yourself to watch this documentary.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Good article, bad thread title.

 

[theslickvik]

You waiting to get flamed up the arse

 

[Beev]

Everyone has done something retarded in the past. None of the current living black people were ever slaves therefore they have no right to complain about it. I understand getting pissed at some backwater, racist, redneck hick from Alabama after they do something stupid, but telling your average joe that they "owe you" because of slavery is batsh!t fvcking stupid.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: illusion88
Just like the jews should "get over the holocaust"

Find me a living former slave, and let's have him/her meet a multitude of living Holocaust survivors. For that matter, find a living former slave owner, and we can put them together with the multitudes of former guards and killers that used to work in the camps (more than a few of which have never been caught).

Damn those Huns for overrunning Europe! We need to make them pay! :|

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Sraaz
Everyone has done something retarded in the past. None of the current living black people were ever slaves therefore they have no right to complain about it. I understand getting pissed at some backwater, racist, redneck hick from Alabama after they do something stupid, but telling your average joe that they "owe you" because of slavery is batsh!t fvcking stupid.

I don't know why Alabama gets such a bad rap. Yeah, we had problems in the 50's and 60's due to dumbass rednecks. But, you'd find our cities (outside the true backwaters) to be as tolerant as anywhere else in the US. And, I'd actually say our backwaters are even fairly tolerate now. People like to stereotype and label Alabama, but we are nowhere near being the most racist, uneducated, or poorest state.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Sraaz
Everyone has done something retarded in the past. None of the current living black people were ever slaves therefore they have no right to complain about it. I understand getting pissed at some backwater, racist, redneck hick from Alabama after they do something stupid, but telling your average joe that they "owe you" because of slavery is batsh!t fvcking stupid.

I don't know why Alabama gets such a bad rap. Yeah, we had problems in the 50's and 60's due to dumbass rednecks. But, you'd find our cities (outside the true backwaters) to be as tolerant as anywhere else in the US. And, I'd actually say our backwaters are even fairly tolerate now. People like to stereotype and label Alabama, but we are nowhere near being the most racist, uneducated, or poorest state.

Why heck no...if a couple in Alabama gets a divorce, they still get to remain brother and sister...

 

[Conky]

This thread has grown long and repeats the same old prejudices and negative stuff that will keep this being an issue for years and years, despite slavery being over 140 years ago.

Complaining black folks remind me of my little brother. He insists that if my parents bought him a TRS-80 back in the day that he would be another "Steve Jobs" type. This may or may not be true but at some point my brother needs to stop blaming my parents and claim responsibility for his own life. This is much the same with blacks that want to keep milking the system for their reparations.

I have a couple of very close friends that are black and they wouldn't argue with this stuff... they think people who aren't willing to work or at least try for anything don't deserve anything. I don't think anyone can argue with that. That's probably more than 2 cents and you can keep the change.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: illusion88
Just like the jews should "get over the holocaust"

Godwin's Law in the second reply!? Quick.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Gdepp519

Originally posted by: fallenangel99

1. Education. Black people generally live in cities, where the quality of education is worse.
2. Socialization. Networking helps you get good jobs. White people have a lot of white friends. Black people have a lot of black friends. Which group do you think gets more help from their friends in finding jobs?
3. Racism. You can't deny it, it still exists. There are a lot of people in positions to hire that have racist attitudes toward blacks. Conscious of sub-conscious. It happens. (edit: case in point - people like you who think they're lazy)

1. Take recent immigrants. They come to U.S. live in 1 room apartment with 10 family members and STILL manage to get through school and get a good job. Hell even Mexicans are hardworking thanks Blacks!

2. Which people have better jobs? Don't blame people just because blacks don't help blacks get jobs (and decent jobs at least)

3. Yes, there might be some. But why are Asians getting hired over blacks then? Asians (1st generation or recent immigrants) have bad accents, and can't sometimes realyl communicate that well, but they still get the jobs over blacks. Why? Education. I guarantee you there are , in general, more educated Asians than Blacks. EVEN THOUGH Asians are more "new" to the U.S. and its culture.

It's all about culture - sad to say the black culture is.. you know.. Blacks should listen to Bill Cosby and start cleaning up.

I, and i know all my friends agree with me, would never live in a majority black neighborhood.

P.S.: I have a black friends and they are far from "ghetto". In fact, they can put together a complete sentence

Where do you live??

Fortune 500 companies jizz in their pants when they meet an educated black applicant.

THATS NOT TRUE AT ALL.....

 

[Ranger X]

The problem with this country is that it's so much more convenient to point fingers and to not accept responsibility because simply, you can and get rewarded for it. It's about time people stop blaming others for their misfortunes and accept the consequences for their stupidity.

 

[randym431]

It hasnt been that long since the 60's and all the violence in the south.
It hasnt been that long if I, a 53 year old, can remember the voilence on tv and ML Kings shooting. And Diana Ross on Johnny Carson that night dressed in black talking about ML King.
Or in 1965, when as a kid, we vacationed to Florida to visit cousins. On a tour of Tampa, there was a strip mall with "laundry mat" on one shop and "colored laundry mat" next door.
I thought it was weird to wash your white cloths in one shop, then have to go next door to wash the colored cloths. Then my cousin explained it to me. I was speachless. Just couldnt understand how people could be treated that way.
We were from the midwest and lived in a all white neighborhood. So I had no clue how things were in the south, or in the real world.
Or when driving down to Florida, then passing the worse shack box homes (if you can call them that), and black people sitting outside. I couldnt believe they actually lived there, that way.
Its just human to know something is not right. And when people are just treated wrong.
It hasnt been that long.
And when things like this article come up in the news, it just shows things have not really changed that much in a lot of peoples minds. Especially in the south.
I still believe a black person could not be elected to president in this country, no matter how qualified or liked they might be. All kinds of people would say in public how great it is so and so is running, but in the private voting booth they would never pull that lever.
It hasnt been THAT long...

 

[foghorn67]

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson should pay reparations for all the money they extorted.

 

[IntrinsicValue]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: glutenberg


So, then you'd have to bring up issues of being able to access the same levels of education. What are their upbringings like. If you're brought up in a ghetto slum are the values that you're taught different from those taught to someone living in a suburban area? I'm just saying that if you're going to make this comparison you have more factors to consider than just money.

I don't think it's all about education. Some people "have it" while others don't. Some people just seem to instinctively know how to handle their business in a more well thought out method than others.

Many of the richest people on Earth were self-taught. You can try to teach the methods that other people have created, but it's never as good as being able to think up your own methods.

Absolutely. This is what I call "creative ingelligence". It is the ability to create and devise your own theories, ideas, solutions, etc. It is far different (and superior) to what they teach you in these schools, which is simple "recall intelligence".

You can give someone all the book knowledge in the world, but if they have no creative intelligence, they'll pretty much just be a walking encyclopedia -- no smarter, in theory, than some kid walking around with his Britannica.

 

[AstroGuardian]

And what if Jews did apologize for killing Christ?

Will it put an end tho the government's imperialistic dream? Will it ground Boeings and stop destroying the ozone layer? Will it feed the hungry?

I doubt.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: AstroGuardian
And what if Jews did apologize for killing Christ?

Will it put an end tho the government's imperialistic dream? Will it ground Boeings and stop destroying the ozone layer? Will it feed the hungry?

I doubt.

What? What is wrong with airplanes? You hate getting somewhere quickly?