Black woman has a miscarriage in Ohio and is charged with a felony.

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Greenman

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Oct 15, 1999
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I h a v e n o i d e a w h a t h a p p e n e d a n d n e i t h e r d o y o u. I f s h e w a s d i s t r a u g h t a n d c o n f u s e d, t h a t ' s o n e t h i n g . I f s h e w a s j u s t t r y i n g t o d u m p a c o r p s e t h a t ' s a d i f f e r e n t s t o r y . I ' l l w a i t u n t i l t h e e n t i r e s t o r y i s m a d e p u b l i c b e f o r e j u m p i n g o n a b a n d w a g o n .
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I h a v e n o i d e a w h a t h a p p e n e d a n d n e i t h e r d o y o u. I f s h e w a s d i s t r a u g h t a n d c o n f u s e d, t h a t ' s o n e t h i n g . I f s h e w a s j u s t t r y i n g t o d u m p a c o r p s e t h a t ' s a d i f f e r e n t s t o r y . I ' l l w a i t u n t i l t h e e n t i r e s t o r y i s m a d e p u b l i c b e f o r e j u m p i n g o n a b a n d w a g o n .
She just had a miscarriage. Spoiler: she was probably distraught and confused.
 
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interchange

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There are extreme cases where prosecution for this kind of thing is justified. For example, if someone sent messages to a friend that they thought the fetus could survive and tried to flush it to avoid responsibility. I'm not saying anything like that happened here. We aren't presented with that kind of information.
 

Greenman

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Oct 15, 1999
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That's his version of humor. He expanded on it by adding more spaces.
I guess she doesn't deserve the presumption of innocence that our justice system is founded upon, for, let's say "mysterious reasons".
You set the lure, don't blame me if you didn't like what you caught.

I don't know what went on with the woman in question, and because I have no information I have no opinion. So I'll just wave at the bandwagon as it rolls by.
Btw. In P&N the presumption of innocence is a joke. Anyone that leans right is always guilty, 100% of the time. This place is hate based, and your brand stinks just as bad as any other.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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You set the lure, don't blame me if you didn't like what you caught.

I don't know what went on with the woman in question, and because I have no information I have no opinion. So I'll just wave at the bandwagon as it rolls by.
Btw. In P&N the presumption of innocence is a joke. Anyone that leans right is always guilty, 100% of the time. This place is hate based, and your brand stinks just as bad as any other.

Do tell us what you know about miscarriages and pregnancies. How many have you had and how did you dispose of the fetus?
 
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Vic

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You set the lure, don't blame me if you didn't like what you caught.

I don't know what went on with the woman in question, and because I have no information I have no opinion. So I'll just wave at the bandwagon as it rolls by.
Btw. In P&N the presumption of innocence is a joke. Anyone that leans right is always guilty, 100% of the time. This place is hate based, and your brand stinks just as bad as any other.
That is exactly the opposite of what happened here. Most everyone here presumed the woman was innocent and YOU presumed she was guilty.
So pretty fucking dishonest of you to rant about being treated the way you treat others.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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You set the lure, don't blame me if you didn't like what you caught.
Meh, I guess I'm like Charlie Brown and you're Lucy, I foolishly keep giving you the benefit of a doubt, I'll try to work on that. Thought maybe you'd give some insight on what sort of scenario you think would lead to a reasonable felony charge, instead I got a stupid dad joke.
I don't know what went on with the woman in question, and because I have no information I have no opinion. So I'll just wave at the bandwagon as it rolls by.
Btw. In P&N the presumption of innocence is a joke. Anyone that leans right is always guilty, 100% of the time. This place is hate based, and your brand stinks just as bad as any other.
Shame you can't recognize your own scent, eh? Especially reeking of what it is that you're full of.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Agree fully. The woman's been through enough. Society doesn't win by prosecuting this.

I also think the spirit of the "abuse of a corpse" law doesn't really encompass expelled tissue from uterus.
Anyone involved in the prosecution of this woman...
Fire them all, expel them from employment, demolish their homes and salt the earth for extra spite.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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At what point in fetal development does a woman become required to report a miscarriage to the authorities? And to provide care for the fetus until first responders arrive?
Keep in mind this miscarriage occurred at 22 weeks and a medical professional has already determined that the fetus was non-viable under any circumstances.
So what if the miscarriage had occurred a few weeks earlier? What if it happened before the woman was even aware she was pregnant and the fetus was so undeveloped that the miscarriage was mistaken for an exceptionally heavy period? Should that woman be prosecuted as well if she flushes? Where should we draw the line on this, in your opinion?
Before playing your usual "I have no idea" game maybe you should stop and consider how potentially harmful your ignorance might be.

Virtually all crimes, including this one, have an intent requirement. Flushing something that looks like a heavy period means you lacked intent and hence there is no crime. So that one is pretty easy.

To be clear, I'm all for creating an exception to these corpse mutilation statutes for miscarried fetuses. In fact, I don't really care all that much about corpse mutilation, period.
 
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Funny how a lot of medical recommendations around miscarriage actually say things like "allow to pass in the toilet" and whatnot.

The reason for pushing this particular charge in this case is because the cruelty is the point, as part of some antiabortion/anti-women campaign.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Non zero chance that if this had happened in a medical setting the fetus would have been disposed of as medical waste. Charging abuse of a corpse is just cruel and unusual virtue signaling on the part of the prosecutor.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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A corpse is a piece of meat. When I die you can do whatever you want with my dead body. Love Louis CK's bit on it.


LOL, did he actually say "if I want to jackoff or something, Ill just go do it" in there. Apparently, his comedy imitates his life.

Funny video though. He's correct - our corpses are just meat. So far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't have to fill out an organ donor card. Instead, it should be automatic unless you sign something to opt out. It would solve the problem of organ shortages for transplantation, a major public health benefit.
 

GodisanAtheist

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It's funny how black people are the X factor in America's super power status and our cultural hegemony over the world but like at the same time lol fuck them they should all be back in chains or something
 
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Vic

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Virtually all crimes, including this one, have an intent requirement. Flushing something that looks like a heavy period means you lacked intent and hence there is no crime. So that one is pretty easy.

To be clear, I'm all for creating an exception to these corpse mutilation statutes for miscarried fetuses. In fact, I don't really care all that much about corpse mutilation, period.
I don't believe there was mens rea in this case either. That's what makes the prosecution malicious IMO.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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LOL, did he actually say "if I want to jackoff or something, Ill just go do it" in there. Apparently, his comedy imitates his life.
I like his first bit he did after coming back from cancellation. He said now everyone in the audience knows what his thing is. Even Obama knows what his thing is.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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You mean a miscarriage? She's being charged with abusing a corpse, not killing a baby. The prosecution agrees and stipulates that she had a miscarriage. No one is saying otherwise. Hence, citing the coroners report to prove it's a miscarriage: irrelevant. Citing the fact that black women are statistically more prone to miscarriages: also irrelevant. Comparing it to another case where a "native woman" was charged with manslaughter for doing drugs during her pregnancy: totally irrelevant. Your article is trying to politicize the case and is bringing in all kinds of things which are immaterial to do it.

BTW, I doubt she gets more than 6 months, if that, and that's if she's convicted which I doubt.
You missed the part where they accused her of intentionally trying to flush her fetus down the toilet. That’s why they are charging her with mishandling a corpse. POC already get the short end in the criminal justice system and they are using her as intimidation.

Not the first time that has Hellenes to me k people in the CJS That’s why in the state of Texas Crystal Mason got 5 years in prison for one vote and Ken Paxton has been indicted for corruption and has avoided courtrooms for >6 years. Cases unrelated but common theme of Republicans willing to abuse black people. This is a 2-fer for them. Intimidation using the abortion issue and she’s black.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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You set the lure, don't blame me if you didn't like what you caught.

I don't know what went on with the woman in question, and because I have no information I have no opinion. So I'll just wave at the bandwagon as it rolls by.
Btw. In P&N the presumption of innocence is a joke. Anyone that leans right is always guilty, 100% of the time. This place is hate based, and your brand stinks just as bad as any other.
I guess you missed all the chants of “lock her up”

I guess you missed the Ahmed Arbury case

I guess you missed BLM being blamed for shootings in Dallas

You are so full of shit. A brain that has been brainwashed by Fox News
 
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Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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I guess you missed all the chants of “lock her up”

I guess you missed the Ahmed Arbury case

I guess you missed BLM being blamed for shootings in Dallas

You are so full of shit. A brain that has been brainwashed by Fox News
And there it is. I'm full of shit and brainwashed. You can't think outside that box, you can't tolerate a differing opinion, it always has to end up at a personal attack.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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You missed the part where they accused her of intentionally trying to flush her fetus down the toilet. That’s why they are charging her with mishandling a corpse. POC already get the short end in the criminal justice system and they are using her as intimidation.

Not the first time that has Hellenes to me k people in the CJS That’s why in the state of Texas Crystal Mason got 5 years in prison for one vote and Ken Paxton has been indicted for corruption and has avoided courtrooms for >6 years. Cases unrelated but common theme of Republicans willing to abuse black people. This is a 2-fer for them. Intimidation using the abortion issue and she’s black.

Yeah, I didn't miss anything....
 
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