Black women slammed to the ground and pepper sprayed because she recorded white cops arresting another black person.

[HomerJS]

Original call comes into police for a petty theft of a cake. Cops turn to a black woman trying to record police arresting someone leaving the store. Police assault the woman recording, grab her by the neck and slam her to the ground. Bodycam footage show cops lying as to why she is being arrested.

Upon arriving, the officers attempted to apprehend a man and a woman in the parking lot that allegedly fit the description given by the store's security personnel of the suspects.

Per the footage, the deputies argue with the man, who asks several times why he's being arrested, as they put him in handcuffs.

The woman is seen filming the interaction with her cell phone from a distance. One of the officers then walks up to her and attempts to grab her arm, but she pushes back. He then grabs her by the neck, and forcefully throws her to the ground.

Cell phone video shows multiple witnesses yelling for the officer to stop as he proceeds to put his knee on her neck, and threaten to punch her in the face.

The officer then pepper sprays the woman, and puts her in handcuffs.

LA sheriff's deputy violently assaults a Black woman in disturbing video

Two California police officers are under investigation after being caught on film using excessive force on a Black couple they suspected of robbery. | TAG24

www.tag24.com

Video of cops assaulting and arresting a black woman because she was recording.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

This woman may not have been an innocent bystander. The original complaint was about a male and female and apparently these two were thought to be involved. Officers were in the process of trying to determine if they were and trying to contain the scene.

This is where the officer went wrong though:

""Get down on the ground. Get on the ground. Stop. Stop or you're going to get punched in the face," the sheriff’s deputy responded."

LA County sheriff investigating after bodycam video shows deputy throwing Black woman to the ground

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is investigating a June 24 incident in Lancaster, California, where a sheriff’s deputy slammed a Black woman to the ground.

abcnews.go.com

From there, who knows ...

 

[HomerJS]

I understand deplorable so I feel confident in predicting this

Soon Republicans will try to make it illegal to record police while performing their duties. I remember there is one town where Pubs made it illegal to get within a certain distance.

Yet one more tool black people have to attempt some level of equality and they will try to take it

 

[Perknose]

This woman may not have been an innocent bystander. The original complaint was about a male and female and apparently these two were thought to be involved. Officers were in the process of trying to determine if they were and trying to contain the scene.

This is what "complicates" this incident for me. Folks, you simply cannot physically resist being arrested. That said, the vid of the cop throwing her to the ground does not sit well with me.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

The key here is she was one of the two under suspicion. Had she been a fully uninvolved third party passerby that just happened to see something and start recording, we would have an entirely different story.

And that HAS happened.

 

[mindless1]

TLDR: IF you steal a cake then try to resist arrest, it's not going to turn out well. This was not about recording with a cell phone.

Several things went wrong. Police stop you, and you produce a receipt for the cake. You don't have your wife antagonizing that process whether she was recording with a phone or not, and when she becomes combative, failing to stay calm and resisting detainment, this is what happens.

Some level of what happened, HAS to happen, citizens can't simply defy law enforcement and do whatever they want, but police can't be that violent and a threat to punch someone in the face is unacceptable, but if we want to go down that path, then anything the female said, she should be accountable for too.

I would not call the actions of the officers acceptable, but the more civil members of society avoid the risks of this happening by trying to respect LEOs. We also need to remove LEOs from service, who do not act in a way worthy of respect.

On the other hand, if this woman was a knowing accomplice to steal a cake of all things, society needs to send her a message and it is unfortunate that she didn't want to hear that message. I have some pity for those who steal necessities but a cake, not so much. Then again innocent until proven guilty which is why if you're innocent, you stay calm instead of exacerbating the situation.

 

[HomerJS]

TLDR: IF you steal a cake then try to resist arrest, it's not going to turn out well. This was not about recording with a cell phone.

Several things went wrong. Police stop you, and you produce a receipt for the cake. You don't have your wife antagonizing that process whether she was recording with a phone or not, and when she becomes combative, failing to stay calm and resisting detainment, this is what happens.

Some level of what happened, HAS to happen, citizens can't simply defy law enforcement and do whatever they want, but police can't be that violent and a threat to punch someone in the face is unacceptable, but if we want to go down that path, then anything the female said, she should be accountable for too.

I would not call the actions of the officers acceptable, but the more civil members of society avoid the risks of this happening by trying to respect LEOs. We also need to remove LEOs from service, who do not act in a way worthy of respect.

On the other hand, if this woman was a knowing accomplice to steal a cake of all things, society needs to send her a message and it is unfortunate that she didn't want to hear that message. I have some pity for those who steal necessities but a cake, not so much. Then again innocent until proven guilty which is why if you're innocent, you stay calm instead of exacerbating the situation.

The man was stopped and this occurred

The man can be heard asking why he is being arrested, and a deputy replies he is being detained. A deputy forces him to the ground as the man says that he is "not going to fight" and that the woman has cancer, according to the footage.

He was not told he was being arrested for stealing a cake. He was only told he was being detained.

 

[mindless1]

^ So being detained, even less reason to upset the situation, remain calm and let the store present the evidence to cause an arrest, if they can.

Aggressive force is a difficult topic. It's excessive when someone doesn't attack them, but saves them injury when the suspect would have (and possibly saves the suspect further injury as well), and in many cases, the suspect would have attacked but was prevented from doing so.

All the LEOs really have to go by is the agitation level and whether the suspect is obeying commands instead of trying to argue, not a mere declaration someone isn't going to fight. Someone can just say that to put someone else's defenses down then slug them. That does not mean that I find it acceptable to put a hold on someone's neck with a leg or any other body part or instrument. A LEO that does that should be found guilty of assault the same as if the suspect did it to the LEO.

 

[hal2kilo]

^ So being detained, even less reason to upset the situation, remain calm and let the store present the evidence to cause an arrest, if they can.

Aggressive force is a difficult topic. It's excessive when someone doesn't attack them, but saves them injury when the suspect would have (and possibly saves the suspect further injury as well), and in many cases, the suspect would have attacked but was prevented from doing so.

All the LEOs really have to go by is the agitation level and whether the suspect is obeying commands instead of trying to argue, not a mere declaration someone isn't going to fight. Someone can just say that to put someone else's defenses down then slug them. That does not mean that I find it acceptable to put a hold on someone's neck with a leg or any other body part or instrument. A LEO that does that should be found guilty of assault the same as if the suspect did it to the LEO.

Why don't people just comply. /s

 

[Zorba]

It should be a felony for a cop to yell "Calm Down" as they are beating you without cause. Like a bully hitting you with your own hands and saying "why are you hitting yourself?"

 

[Vic]

Video shows the force used as clearly excessive. Being detained by LEO pending an investigation does not require restraints. From what I saw in the video, the suspects were making no attempt to flee the scene and were cooperating in every respect except for LEO's unneccessary use of restraints.

It's a freakin cake FFS.

 

[Vic]

Why don't people just comply. /s

Nothing quite says small govt like you must immediately comply with a govt agent's every command under threat of violence and bodily harm.

 

[Zorba]

The key here is she was one of the two under suspicion. Had she been a fully uninvolved third party passerby that just happened to see something and start recording, we would have an entirely different story.

And that HAS happened.

So you think it is okay for an officer to beat someone in the process of arresting them over a $15 cake? The cellphone video didn't show the initial contact, but it happened so fast, that cop went over there with the plan to throw her to the ground. He was never in any threat, just annoyed, there was no reason to pepper spray her or hit her.

 

[Zorba]

^ So being detained, even less reason to upset the situation, remain calm and let the store present the evidence to cause an arrest, if they can.

Aggressive force is a difficult topic. It's excessive when someone doesn't attack them, but saves them injury when the suspect would have (and possibly saves the suspect further injury as well), and in many cases, the suspect would have attacked but was prevented from doing so.

All the LEOs really have to go by is the agitation level and whether the suspect is obeying commands instead of trying to argue, not a mere declaration someone isn't going to fight. Someone can just say that to put someone else's defenses down then slug them. That does not mean that I find it acceptable to put a hold on someone's neck with a leg or any other body part or instrument. A LEO that does that should be found guilty of assault the same as if the suspect did it to the LEO.

I've watched plenty of videos on YouTube of cops putting up with a lot more "resistance" than this without even raising their voices. It shouldn't be on the non-professional to act professionally while the professional acts like an enraged toddler. The fact none of his buddies came over to help him, kind of shows they thought he was out of line too.

 

[Vic]

So you think it is okay for an officer to beat someone in the process of arresting them over a $15 cake? The cellphone video didn't show the initial contact, but it happened so fast, that cop went over there with the plan to throw her to the ground. He was never in any threat, just annoyed, there was no reason to pepper spray her or hit her.

Reading further, I think some blame may unfortunately lay with Winco employees for reporting a petty theft incident as a robbery. No doubt that sent LEO out expecting a far more serious situation than it actually was.

Still, it needs to be the responsibility of LEO to de-escalate these situations, not escalate them. At the time the woman was thrown to the ground, she was only making verbal protests, so the justification for use of violent force appears to be lacking.

 

[brycejones]

^ So being detained, even less reason to upset the situation, remain calm and let the store present the evidence to cause an arrest, if they can.

Aggressive force is a difficult topic. It's excessive when someone doesn't attack them, but saves them injury when the suspect would have (and possibly saves the suspect further injury as well), and in many cases, the suspect would have attacked but was prevented from doing so.

All the LEOs really have to go by is the agitation level and whether the suspect is obeying commands instead of trying to argue, not a mere declaration someone isn't going to fight. Someone can just say that to put someone else's defenses down then slug them. That does not mean that I find it acceptable to put a hold on someone's neck with a leg or any other body part or instrument. A LEO that does that should be found guilty of assault the same as if the suspect did it to the LEO.

Living down to your name as usual.

 

[soulcougher73]

Standard Operating Procedure in todays America? Comply or Die?

 

[HomerJS]

^ So being detained, even less reason to upset the situation, remain calm and let the store present the evidence to cause an arrest, if they can.

Aggressive force is a difficult topic. It's excessive when someone doesn't attack them, but saves them injury when the suspect would have (and possibly saves the suspect further injury as well), and in many cases, the suspect would have attacked but was prevented from doing so.

All the LEOs really have to go by is the agitation level and whether the suspect is obeying commands instead of trying to argue, not a mere declaration someone isn't going to fight. Someone can just say that to put someone else's defenses down then slug them. That does not mean that I find it acceptable to put a hold on someone's neck with a leg or any other body part or instrument. A LEO that does that should be found guilty of assault the same as if the suspect did it to the LEO.

Easy for you to say. Black people are the one getting abused from LEO's at a disproportionate rate.

Arrest without telling the person the charge? That's basic Miranda shit. I guess black people don't deserve their Constitutional rights.

Why didn't the police go up to the man and tell him the dispute and ask a few questions?

In case you didn't know this forum is littered with black people being injured or killed by police for just complying or not even being given the chance.

 

[Homerboy]

I understand deplorable so I feel confident in predicting this

Soon Republicans will try to make it illegal to record police while performing their duties. I remember there is one town where Pubs made it illegal to get within a certain distance.

Yet one more tool black people have to attempt some level of equality and they will try to take it

They actually passed that law in AZ.
Then it got blocked by a Federal judge.
Don't think they won't keep trying though.

Federal judge blocks Arizona law limiting filming of police

The disputed law makes it illegal to knowingly film police officers 8 feet or closer if the officer tells the person to stop.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Homerboy]

Standard Operating Procedure in todays America? Comply or Die?

You make it sound like those are mutually exclusive. You can comply and STILL die.

 

[HomerJS]

You make it sound like those are mutually exclusive. You can comply and STILL die.

For the most part that only happens if you are black

 

[soulcougher73]

You make it sound like those are mutually exclusive. You can comply and STILL die.

True dat.

 

[mindless1]

Easy for you to say. Black people are the one getting abused from LEO's at a disproportionate rate.

Arrest without telling the person the charge? That's basic Miranda shit. I guess black people don't deserve their Constitutional rights.

Why didn't the police go up to the man and tell him the dispute and ask a few questions?

In case you didn't know this forum is littered with black people being injured or killed by police for just complying or not even being given the chance.

Once again you are trying to make an event turn into a reason to get up on your soapbox.

What if it's just two criminals who stole a cake then resisted apprehension and detainment, and a particular police officer who shouldn't have gone to the excess he did?

If the woman suffered substantial injuries, I'm not against her being compensated and charges filed against the officer, not just a work reprimand.

At the same time, it is self-fulfilling. A person can't just think, "I'm black and police abused someone else, so I get to steal cakes and be defiant about it, ignoring commands towards solving this potential crime".

That's asking for use of force, and of course the person it is used against, isn't going to like it, but that is not, yet another excuse to make things worse.

 

[Vic]

Once again you are trying to make an event turn into a reason to get up on your soapbox.

What if it's just two criminals who stole a cake then resisted apprehension and detainment, and a particular police officer who shouldn't have gone to the excess he did?

If the woman suffered substantial injuries, I'm not against her being compensated and charges filed against the officer, not just a work reprimand.

At the same time, it is self-fulfilling. A person can't just think, "I'm black and police abused someone else, so I get to steal cakes and be defiant about it, ignoring commands towards solving this potential crime".

That's asking for use of force, and of course the person it is used against, isn't going to like it, but that is not, yet another excuse to make things worse.

This forum is littered with examples because it's the agenda of a few to do so. If others had the agenda to post examples of hispanics, whites, asians, etc, then you'd see the forum littered with those as well.

No one here (or elsewhere that I am aware of) is saying that "I should get to steal cakes because I'm black." That's a ridiculous straw man.
What they're saying is that they don't believe a white person who committed a similar petty crime would face similar police brutality, therefore a black person shouldn't either.

 

[mindless1]

^ Yes, that's the straw man argument, that if a non-black person had acted the same way, they wouldn't be forcibly put on the ground. It's simply not true.

Brutality? If she had substantial injuries then I agree. If she did not, then it wasn't especially brutal, rather a typical physical event where someone is resisting detainment. It will happen to everyone who continues to resist detainment in an aggressive manner.

I have sympathy for those victimized by police, but no sympathy for (potential) criminals who resist detainment/arrest.