Blackwater/Xe Rescues Rep. Grayson

PJABBER

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Once in a while a story comes along which illustrates a simple fact of our lives. The lesson is often lost, the involved parties ignorant of the import of what has happened.

George Orwell, an author for our times if ever there was one, might have said it best...

"Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

I wonder, did Grayson take a moment to thank them for their service?

Rep. Grayson, Blackwater critic, finds himself in a jam. Blackwater to the rescue.

By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
Washington Examiner
02/24/10 4:39 PM EST

Rep. Alan Grayson, the outspoken Florida Democrat, has been a big critic of several military contractors, especially Blackwater, the company now known as Xe. But last week, Grayson, on congressional business in Niger, found himself in a dicey situation when violence broke out and a coup was underway. (Grayson could hear the gunfire from a nearby building.) After a stay at the U.S. Embassy, Grayson was able to catch a flight, arranged by the State Department, out of Niger to Burkina Faso, from which he returned to the United States.

And who ran the flight that evacuated Grayson from the dangerous situation in Niger? None other than Blackwater. Late this afternoon, Grayson's office confirmed that it was an Xe flight that took the lawmaker from Niger to Burkina Faso.

So now, having been helped by the company he so often targeted, might Grayson go a little easier on the folks at Blackwater/Xe? Sort of. "The flight was arranged through the State Department," spokesman Todd Jurkowski -- who was helpful and forthright -- told me today. "The congressman did not know, and frankly did not care, who owned the plane."

"The congressman does not deny that there is admirable work being done by some employees of private contractors," Jurkowski continued. "However, he stands by his criticism of companies who have been found to cheat the American people, defraud our government, and unnecessarily risk the lives of members of our military, all in the name of making a profit."

Count that as an ever-so-slight softening of Grayson's position. There's nothing like being caught in a tight spot on the other side of the world to make you grateful -- at least a little -- for a ride to safety.

 
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TheNoblePlatypus

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So them performing a task that is part of their contract absolves them of any crimes other members of the company may have committed?
 

kage69

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The gist of that story would be so much more appreciable had there been some actual rough men doing some actual violence on his behalf.

The State Dept. booked him a ride. Wow. Can't wait for the book to come out. Hope they include all the grisly details of staying at a US Embassy.
 
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Once in a while a story comes along which illustrates a simple fact of our lives. The lesson is often lost, the involved parties ignorant of the import of what has happened.

George Orwell, an author for our times if ever there was one, said it best...

"Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

You are seriously going to use that quote in reference to Blackwater for letting a man on board a flight? Any fucking airline would do the same bloody thing.

Rough men? Boys with no ROE and no culpability is all they are. They are above local law, international law, military law and US law.
 

Fear No Evil

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You wonder if the shooting would have gotten a little closer if he would have been telling them to start waterboarding people?
 

PJABBER

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You are seriously going to use that quote in reference to Blackwater for letting a man on board a flight? Any fucking airline would do the same bloody thing.

Rough men? Boys with no ROE and no culpability is all they are. They are above local law, international law, military law and US law.

There was a lager lout, name of JohnOfSheffield
Who claimed that ROE should be part and parcel here
An essential to be sure, but one of doubtful merit
To pilot, crew, or staff bent on moving fast

To rescue one progressive
Who spends his days at useless pillory
And worthless castigation
That found his ass in purgatory

Though it may be said, and everybody knows
Whomever dares to cast that stone
A single sentence rolls
To thine own self look first

There is little more to my exclaim
What rescue was made in haste
And saved that maggot's big fat ass
Twill linger an example

That those who posture and declaim
What cruel and brutal men might do
As soon will cry, whimper and pray
That their turn at rescue comes today.

:awe:
 
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There was a lager lout, name of JohnOfSheffield
Who claimed that ROE should be part and parcel here
An essential to be sure, but one of doubtful merit
To pilot, crew, or staff bent on moving fast

To rescue one progressive
Who spends his days at useless pillory
And worthless castigation
That found his ass in purgatory

Though it may be said, and everybody knows
Whomever dares to cast that stone
A single sentence rolls
To thine own self look first

There is little more to my exclaim
What rescue was made in haste
And saved that maggot's big fat ass
Twill linger an example

That those who posture and declaim
What cruel and brutal men might do
As soon will cry, whimper and pray
That their turn at rescue comes today.

:awe:

*sigh*

Too drunk to think or just too fucking stupid?
 

PJABBER

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*sigh*

Too drunk to think or just too fucking stupid?

There was a lager lout called JohnOfSheffield
Who spun his tales and told his lies
A boyo lost amidst his fries
Too certain of his pies

To curse and wander in his stupor
Where brave men and loving women
Act in faith and speak with truth
Thus stands out a might uncouth

:awe:
 

K1052

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The gist of that story would be so much more appreciable had there been some actual rough men doing some actual violence on his behalf.

The State Dept. booked him a ride. Wow. Can't wait for the book to come out. Hope they include all the grisly details of staying at a US Embassy.

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Notes: allegedly said by George Orwell although there is no evidence that Orwell ever wrote or uttered either of these versions of this idea. They do bear some similarity to comments made in an essay that Orwell wrote on Rudyard Kipling, when quoting from one of his poems. Orwell did write, in his essay on Kipling, that the latter's "grasp of function, of who protects whom, is very sound. He sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them." (1942)

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations

Mercenaries are an insult to any real Military
 

PJABBER

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Mercenaries are an insult to any real Military

While I prefer to attribute the sentiment to George Orwell, let me not fail to also mention that the following Wiki researched personages sought to express the same thought -

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
  • Alternative: "We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us."
  • In his 1945 "Notes on Nationalism", Orwell claimed that the statement, "Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf" was a "grossly obvious" fact. "Notes on Nationalism"
  • Notes: allegedly said by George Orwell although there is no evidence that Orwell ever wrote or uttered either of these versions of this idea. They do bear some similarity to comments made in an essay that Orwell wrote on Rudyard Kipling, when quoting from one of his poems. Orwell did write, in his essay on Kipling, that the latter's "grasp of function, of who protects whom, is very sound. He sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them." (1942)
    • "Yes, making mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep" - Rudyard Kipling (Tommy)
    • "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it." - Aaron Sorkin (A Few Good Men)
  • Alternative: "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill (miscellaneous quotation, no date)
Posited - Private military contractors have and will continue to contribute significantly to the conduct of both war and peace time operations as cost effective and mission effective alternatives and supplements to both state military forces and nation building organizations.

A few selected readings -

Cockayne, James. Commercial Security in Humanitarian and Post-Conflict Settings: An Exploratory Study. International Peace Academy, Research Reports, March 2006

Private Actors and Security Governance
Editors: Alan Bryden and Marina Caparini
Bibliographic Details: LIT / DCAF, 2006.
ISBN: 978-3-8258-9840-3


Ortiz, Carlos. The new public management of security: the contracting and managerial state and the private military industry. Public Money & Management, vol. 30, no. 1, 2010 , 35-41

Lindemann, Marc. Civilian Contractors under Military Law. Parameters, Autumn 2007, pp. 83-94

Jung, Stéphanie. Les Nouveaux Entrepreneurs de Guerre. Défis juridiques at implications politiques du recours aux sociétés militaires privées. Université Robert Schuman - Institut d'Etudes Politiques, Juin 2006

THE PRIVATE MILITARY COMPANY: A LEGITIMATE INTERNATIONAL ENTITY WITHIN MODERN CONFLICT
MAJOR S. GODDARD, MAJ, RA INF, AUSTRALIA
B.A., University of New South Wales, 1987


Ninth Report of the Foreign Affairs Committee
Private Military Companies
Session 2001–2002
Response of the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (UK)


Biaumet, Gilles. Analyse des relations entre les compagnies privées militaires et de sécurité et les Nations Unies. Mémoire présenté en vue de l’obtention du grade de Master en sciences politiques, orientation Relations internationales. Université Libre de Bruxelles. Année académique : 2008-2009

Colectivo de Abogados José Alvear Restrepo. Empresas Transnacionales de Seguridad Privada en Colombia. Informe sobre las actividades de empresas transnacionales de seguridad privada de Estados Unidos en Colombia. 4 February 2008 (English version linked - PJABBER)

International Crisis Group. Reforming Haiti’s Security Sector. 18 September 2008 (A case for the use of private military contractors in pre-earthquake Haiti, now more important post-earthquake. - PJABBER)

Ulrike Joras and Adrian Schuster (eds). Private Security Companies and Local Populations: An Exploratory Study of Afghanistan and Angola. Swisspeace Working Papers, No. 1, 2008
 
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It's strange, no one cheered the mercenaries of the Balkan war, after we brought them to justice they were convicted and sentenced.

But these mercenaries are good people even though IF they could be brought to justice they would face charges no less than the war criminal mercs of the Balkan wars.

Original Earl is right, they are an insult to every man in uniform, they go completely against the honor and code we live by every day. They are below the enemy soldiers because at least you can respect an enemy soldier, doing his part according to his ROE and we do show each other respect, mercs are just war criminals under a different name.
 

PJABBER

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It's strange, no one cheered the mercenaries of the Balkan war, after we brought them to justice they were convicted and sentenced.

But these mercenaries are good people even though IF they could be brought to justice they would face charges no less than the war criminal mercs of the Balkan wars.

Original Earl is right, they are an insult to every man in uniform, they go completely against the honor and code we live by every day. They are below the enemy soldiers because at least you can respect an enemy soldier, doing his part according to his ROE and we do show each other respect, mercs are just war criminals under a different name.

The ignorant JohnOfSheffield remains
With those of us who labor
At knowledge, not attainder,
Thought requiring candor

Talk of code and talk of honor
Words as false and fake as any dunder
A midget amongst men
To each a curse, to all a peahen

:awe:
 

Craig234

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Glad our officers could respond to your prowler call, Councilman. We'll be able to continue to, when you change your vote against that bill for the increase for police pay raises, and for investigating misconduct.
 

PJABBER

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Why you are allowed to constantly troll every single thread without ever adding anything is beyond me.

Are you and Fern butt buddies?

The JohnOfSheffield response to every post
Will be to attack both guest and host
As to the merit of this vitriol
That remains urushiol, if not cannabidiol

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