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feralkid

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Jan 28, 2002
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Dude, it's an opinion about a movie trailer. There are more worthwhile things in life to have a personal investment than to get riled up over some random Internet guy's opinion about a movie trailer.

If it makes you feel any better, maybe it'll be an amazing movie, standing tall with a few other great Hollywood sequels, and then you'll forget all about that nasty random Internet guy who didn't like the trailer. Perhaps every time you watch it in future you'll be reminded of when you experienced the epitome of an excellent evening at the cinema.


I"ll take that as meaning it comes naturally to you.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Do you have to inject boorish cynicism into your veins each morning, or does it come to you naturally?

hehe. his criticisms are totally apt, though. Bladerunner was not your typical dumb bro 80s sci fi action romp. It was cerebral, brooding, and rather brilliant. The trailers make this look more like the former and not the latter, so it's fair to be skeptical if you actually like the original and suspect this may do some disservice to the original material.
 
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One trailer that's been released has some lines in about every civilisation being built on slavery had my interest. Another trailer I watched that talked about the antagonist "building an army" had me rolling my eyes and thinking about yet another trope from the stalest movie tropes box.

Yeah, the trailers made me very skeptical, too. However, those are made by the marketing department (not the director) and they were supposed to keep from revealing any spoilers, and they contain dialogue that may not correspond to the scenes shown.

Reviews have been released by film critics who were able to watch it early, and so far it's at 98% on the Tomato meter, or 43-1. I've read several of them and they sounds very positive. The original Blade Runner is one of my top 5 favorite films, so I've been paying very close attention to the new movie. I had been very skeptical, but knew that Villeneuve is a respected director and that it would be R-rated, so I had cautious optimism. After reading some of the reviews, I can't wait to see the movie now.
 
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feralkid

Lifer
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hehe. his criticisms are totally apt, though. Bladerunner was not your typical dumb bro 80s sci fi action romp. It was cerebral, brooding, and rather brilliant. The trailers make this look more like the former and not the latter, so it's fair to be skeptical if you actually like the original and suspect this may do some disservice to the original material.

Yeah, that may well be, but the way he thought it ever so important to rag on Harrison Ford seemingly because of his age, Ridley Scott mostly because he didn't like Prometheus and the Motion Picture Industry as a whole for daring to make sequels (and how dare they want to make money) was pretty stale and predictable.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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Yeah, that may well be, but the way he thought it ever so important to rag on Harrison Ford seemingly because of his age, Ridley Scott mostly because he didn't like Prometheus and the Motion Picture Industry as a whole for daring to make sequels (and how dare they want to make money) was pretty stale and predictable.

Yes, because I hate old people, totally. Many actors improve with age; Harrison Ford has not. The last time he was even nominated with an award worth a shit was the nineties, and since then his work has been littered with cash-grabs. Hey, he'll be 78 when Indy 5 is due! Most actors would think that this is about as appropriate as if Sean Astin wanted to do another child role, and I could understand it if Harrison Ford was broke, but he's not.

Ridley Scott has done some great films, but unfortunately directors don't tend to improve much with age and definitely seem to have a 'sell by date'. IMO they have the tougher (toughest in film-making?) job of creating/arranging all the facets (and the work of many different people - all with their own ideas) of a creative vision into a coherent piece of art. Unfortunately I think the reason for directors having this 'sell by date' is that they have to juggle all of this, sometimes baby-sit awkward actors and placate / baby-sit the production company while trying to balance between their artistic vision and the budget, and I think it eventually turns them into managers rather than artists. I wouldn't mind so much if all this meant was that directors who were once remarkably good then became 'competent yet nothing new', but trying to ride the old bones of a past success is likely either a) to placate their ego, b) a cash-grab, or a mix of the two. Since you mention 'Prometheus', look at the Prometheus thread on this forum: Over 1000 replies. The 'Covenant' thread has about a tenth of that. From one of the guys who elevated sci-fi to a new level, expectations were generally at least as high as "make something as good as Alien", and possibly as high as "show us where sci-fi is going to go next", and instead we got 'Prometheus'. By the time 'Covenant' came along most people here didn't give two craps what Ridley Scott thinks. Personally I think it's really sad that he couldn't be content with past successes and the respect that goes with that; furthermore I'd like a genuine, honest answer from the film makers of Bladerunner 2049 as to why this sequel is needed. Even an answer 'after the fact', e.g. two years after this film's release so to avoid spoilers would be fine with me.

My opinion isn't meant to be anything but that, and the only reason I've responded to you again is that IMO you've misrepresented my views here. I think the only remaining mystery here is why you continue to have a problem with my opinion, so instead of being insulting and trying to come back with retorts for the sake of it, honestly answer my question: Why do you have a problem with my opinion? You've apparently highlighted everything that you didn't like me expressing, but for someone as invested as you are in this, you've assumed an awful lot (mostly incorrectly) about the basis of my opinions. Furthemore, I have no problem with Hollywood making money, I just think for an industry that is supposed to be built on art, their business model seems very cloned and designed to fit in neat little packages and the respective pigeon-hole audiences, and the only critically decent results are almost like accidental byproducts as far as the industry is concerned.
 
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feralkid

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Yes, because I hate old people, totally. Many actors improve with age; Harrison Ford has not. The last time he was even nominated with an award worth a shit was the nineties, and since then his work has been littered with cash-grabs. Hey, he'll be 78 when Indy 5 is due! Most actors would think that this is about as appropriate as if Sean Astin wanted to do another child role, and I could understand it if Harrison Ford was broke, but he's not.

Ridley Scott has done some great films, but unfortunately directors don't tend to improve much with age and definitely seem to have a 'sell by date'. IMO they have the tougher (toughest in film-making?) job of creating/arranging all the facets (and the work of many different people - all with their own ideas) of a creative vision into a coherent piece of art. Unfortunately I think the reason for directors having this 'sell by date' is that they have to juggle all of this, sometimes baby-sit awkward actors and placate / baby-sit the production company while trying to balance between their artistic vision and the budget, and I think it eventually turns them into managers rather than artists. I wouldn't mind so much if all this meant was that directors who were once remarkably good then became 'competent yet nothing new', but trying to ride the old bones of a past success is likely either a) to placate their ego, b) a cash-grab, or a mix of the two. Since you mention 'Prometheus', look at the Prometheus thread on this forum: Over 1000 replies. The 'Covenant' thread has about a tenth of that. From one of the guys who elevated sci-fi to a new level, expectations were generally at least as high as "make something as good as Alien", and possibly as high as "show us where sci-fi is going to go next", and instead we got 'Prometheus'. By the time 'Covenant' came along most people here didn't give two craps what Ridley Scott thinks. Personally I think it's really sad that he couldn't be content with past successes and the respect that goes with that; furthermore I'd like a genuine, honest answer from the film makers of Bladerunner 2049 as to why this sequel is needed. Even an answer 'after the fact', e.g. two years after this film's release so to avoid spoilers would be fine with me.

My opinion isn't meant to be anything but that, and the only reason I've responded to you again is that IMO you've misrepresented my views here. I think the only remaining mystery here is why you continue to have a problem with my opinion, so instead of being insulting and trying to come back with retorts for the sake of it, honestly answer my question: Why do you have a problem with my opinion? You've apparently highlighted everything that you didn't like me expressing, but for someone as invested as you are in this, you've assumed an awful lot (mostly incorrectly) about the basis of my opinions. Furthemore, I have no problem with Hollywood making money, I just think for an industry that is supposed to be built on art, their business model seems very cloned and designed to fit in neat little packages and the respective pigeon-hole audiences, and the only critically decent results are almost like accidental byproducts as far as the industry is concerned.




 

blankslate

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Having seen 2049 I can say that they pretty much showed about 1/2 to 2/3 of all the action in the trailers.
It is not a mindless action movie made in a cynical manner.
The movie explores and expands upon questions raised in the 1982 movie when Ryan Gosling's character discovers something that suggests a character from the first movie was far more special than what was revealed before.
There is action but it arises plot situations rather than being the point of the movie.

Being a fan of the movie who has watched the several versions over the years and has the collection with the original release, "director's cut", and final cut; I found the movie to be very good to excellent.

I'm still mulling it over and generally movies that have me thinking about them for awhile after the viewing end up among my favorites.

Because there have been a number of movies that drew inspiration from the original 2049 can't have the same impact that Blade Runner was eventually recognized as having but it is a worthy sequel.

*e2a*

Additionally while the movie was over 2.5 hours it was engaging all the way though for me.


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SKORPI0

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'Blade Runner 2049' Is A Box Office Bomb: 10 Reasons It Was Doomed

Blade Runner 2049 opened with just $31.525 million this weekend, including $5m in IMAX, with little reason to hope for huge legs beyond the slightly frontloaded (2.48x weekend multiplier) debut. Yes, the film may have legs due to a lack of big movies between now and Thor, and yes it may do a little better overseas. But (barring an overseas miracle) it's essentially time to die for Blade Runner 2049.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Good now it will become another great science fiction classic. I don't care about the $$ reasons listed. That doesn't make me want to see a movie. Didn't mention if he thought the movies was good or not, probably didn't even see it.

Lol a box office bomb does not mean something will be a classic. It's never good when something bombs.
 

LikeLinus

Lifer
Jul 25, 2001
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I think bomb is a bit of an overstatement. One issue is the fact that the movie was so long. I know at our theater there was only a 7PM showing. I haven't seen it, but I know my son went. Due to length, it cuts down on the number of showings and that results in lower earnings.

Also, it did $50m+ internationally. This does not include Japan, South Korea or China. So after 3 days it is sitting at $80m+ with a cost of $150m in production. It'll make money in the long run.

That's why the article keeps saying "it'll have legs". Basically so he has an out when he's proven wrong and the movie makes money. I won't even get into the stupid reasons he has. It's laughable and he apparently doesn't understand the movie at all.
 
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gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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Tried to watch the original once but turned it off probably 20-30 minutes in because I wasn't liking it.

I couldn't stand it. Watched it a few years ago and wondered how the hell it was held in such high regard by so many. From what I gather it was quite impressive visually for the time, but that must have been the only thing good about it. As a movie it holds up terribly IMO
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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I couldn't stand it. Watched it a few years ago and wondered how the hell it was held in such high regard by so many. From what I gather it was quite impressive visually for the time, but that must have been the only thing good about it. As a movie it holds up terribly IMO
I love Blade Runner but what you describe is how I feel about 2001 Space Oddesey.
 

evident

Lifer
Apr 5, 2005
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watching the original again later this week. people are saying the sequel is a budget flop, but I didnt even hear about a new blade runner coming out till i saw this thread. It basically got no hype before release whatsoever.
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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you living under a rock? people have been talking about it for months

and its not a flop its an excellent movie
 

NuclearNed

Raconteur
May 18, 2001
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I really badly want to see this, but at nearly 3 hours I'll probably wait until this winter when I have lots more time to kill.
 

evident

Lifer
Apr 5, 2005
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you living under a rock? people have been talking about it for months

and its not a flop its an excellent movie
I guess I have been living under a rock. First I heard of it was when it actually came out, lol. looking forward to watching it though.
 

Ruptga

Lifer
Aug 3, 2006
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the industry seems to think anything that doesn't break a record on opening weekend is a flop
Yep, they make all their money on the really big commercial hits, breaking even or netting just a few million is a flop by comparison.
 
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