Blame It on Mr. Rogers: Why Young Adults Feel So Entitled

[MadRat]

I had a report in a 400 level class go from C+ to A simply from asking for a review. Every critical point was spot on topic and I know it was worth the A because it was written to cover every talking point he set as the goal. When I asked him why it was a C+ he said he had to get back with me on it. And guess what, he decided it was A material after reading it. His first time was a skim and for that he missed the content. ...Or he felt cornered and knew an A was the easy way out...

But of course this was 20 years ago. Nowadays kids can download their A material.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You, of course, are solely to blame for this moronic point of view you hold. It's your fault you have either a low IQ or have fried your brain some how, or never collected enough life experience or common sense to put two and two together. You irresponsible imbecile, you, and then you have the gall to come on an internet site and criticize other people for THEIR faults. You are sufficiently deficient in mental power as to warrant some modicum of modesty, I should think. Here you are, first lesson in life unlearned, to not judge others with that big fat mote in your eye, and you do it, of course, to make yourself feel oh so much more responsible and capable then others. Geez, how pathetic. No?

First of all it's an oberservation not a point of view moron.

Second, I'll let you know in person or on the internet.

Listen, you moron, you can't see what you don't already know. What you know IS your point of view. You see what you see because you have been brainwashed to see what you see. Moron. Hehe!

Get back to your i love you rally.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You, of course, are solely to blame for this moronic point of view you hold. It's your fault you have either a low IQ or have fried your brain some how, or never collected enough life experience or common sense to put two and two together. You irresponsible imbecile, you, and then you have the gall to come on an internet site and criticize other people for THEIR faults. You are sufficiently deficient in mental power as to warrant some modicum of modesty, I should think. Here you are, first lesson in life unlearned, to not judge others with that big fat mote in your eye, and you do it, of course, to make yourself feel oh so much more responsible and capable then others. Geez, how pathetic. No?

First of all it's an oberservation not a point of view moron.

Second, I'll let you know in person or on the internet.

Listen, you moron, you can't see what you don't already know. What you know IS your point of view. You see what you see because you have been brainwashed to see what you see. Moron. Hehe!

Get back to your i love you rally.

My my my, what a profoundly irresponsible remark. You wanted an A and for an F and now look at how you whine. Well you don't scare Professor Moonbeam.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: ProfJohn


Signs of narcissism among college students have been rising for 25 years, according to a recent study led by a San Diego State University psychologist. Obviously, Mr. Rogers alone can't be blamed for this. But as Prof. Chance sees it, "he's representative of a culture of excessive doting."

Prof. Chance teaches many Asian-born students, and says they accept whatever grade they're given; they see B's and C's as an indication that they must work harder, and that their elders assessed them accurately. They didn't grow up with Mr. Rogers or anyone else telling them they were born special.

By contrast, American students often view lower grades as a reason to "hit you up for an A because they came to class and feel they worked hard," says Prof. Chance. He wishes more parents would offer kids this perspective: "The world owes you nothing. You have to work and compete. If you want to be special, you'll have to prove it."

Bullshit. If I think I deserve an A given my work I'll damn well go and fucking fight for it. Half my professors have been half-random graders anyway; I've had profs come to class in pajamas before.

Besides, Professors forget who they work for. Their grading styles are not always quality ones. I would never accept a grade I thought was unfair.

This guy is an asshole. I pay inordinate amounts of money for my education and I expect to be treated with respect by the professors to whom much of that money goes. It's their job to grade and teach, but they work for US.

Teachers and professors are not infallible, why the hell would anyone take their word as omiscient absolute. I've had teachers WRONGLY grade me lower before, and there is a great degree of randomness and bullshit in the way various teachers grade.


That being said, I work very hard and have never needed to contest a grade in a way that was a big hallabaloo, and have only ever done so at all two times.

Give the Professors a break, it must be hard to teach people who know so much more then the teacher.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: loki8481
baby boomers complaining about any other generation having a sense of "entitlement" need a good swift kick to the nuts.

LOL truly. The shittiest American generation in American history

No the second shiitiest generation. We raised the shittiest generation who are now raising the soon to be shittiest generation.

No you guys are by far the worst

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: ProfJohn


Signs of narcissism among college students have been rising for 25 years, according to a recent study led by a San Diego State University psychologist. Obviously, Mr. Rogers alone can't be blamed for this. But as Prof. Chance sees it, "he's representative of a culture of excessive doting."

Prof. Chance teaches many Asian-born students, and says they accept whatever grade they're given; they see B's and C's as an indication that they must work harder, and that their elders assessed them accurately. They didn't grow up with Mr. Rogers or anyone else telling them they were born special.

By contrast, American students often view lower grades as a reason to "hit you up for an A because they came to class and feel they worked hard," says Prof. Chance. He wishes more parents would offer kids this perspective: "The world owes you nothing. You have to work and compete. If you want to be special, you'll have to prove it."

Bullshit. If I think I deserve an A given my work I'll damn well go and fucking fight for it. Half my professors have been half-random graders anyway; I've had profs come to class in pajamas before.

Besides, Professors forget who they work for. Their grading styles are not always quality ones. I would never accept a grade I thought was unfair.

This guy is an asshole. I pay inordinate amounts of money for my education and I expect to be treated with respect by the professors to whom much of that money goes. It's their job to grade and teach, but they work for US.

Teachers and professors are not infallible, why the hell would anyone take their word as omiscient absolute. I've had teachers WRONGLY grade me lower before, and there is a great degree of randomness and bullshit in the way various teachers grade.


That being said, I work very hard and have never needed to contest a grade in a way that was a big hallabaloo, and have only ever done so at all two times.

Give the Professors a break, it must be hard to teach people who know so much more then the teacher.

You're being unfair to what I said, and frankly that was a silly comment because nothing in my post was about knowing more than a professor.

It would be beyond foolish not to challenge a grade which seems inaccurate. Professors are as fallible as anyone, if not more so in some ways, given their oft-combination of arrogance combined with laziness and a lack of accountability.

 

[1EZduzit]

Maybe, but I think your still too wet behind the ears to even know what some serious unfairness looks/feels like.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: loki8481
baby boomers complaining about any other generation having a sense of "entitlement" need a good swift kick to the nuts.

LOL truly. The shittiest American generation in American history

No the second shiitiest generation. We raised the shittiest generation who are now raising the soon to be shittiest generation.

No you guys are by far the worst

I believe the evidence proves otherwise.

 

[Orsorum]

I like talking to Moonbeam... rather, watching him act, in posts like these.

These judgments are all so easy to pass, when we are focused on others. In my experience, when I am forced to examine my own person, closely, intimately, in silence, all of my judgment falls away. Not to say it is permanent, but the awe that I find, the humility, when I focus on what I am feeling and where I AM, is a very profound thing.

That is not to say that we should craft policy on this, for that is not necessarily realistic. But I think we must take into account that "he without sin may cast the first stone..."

Am I without sin, truly? Have I worked hard to get where I am, or have I succeeded as much by luck as by effort? Am I even equipped to gauge that?

How do we assist those who ask for help without merely pandering to those who want a handout? How do we as human beings help those around us realize their own worth - independent of external measures - so that they may find peace in what little they may accomplish?

Eh. Gibberish.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: slash196
Just more crotchety old people with the classic "These kids today" bit. Nothing to see here.

then why is it that "these kids today" need metal detectors in schools and ID badges in class? We didn't need them back then? Between the gangs and the kids who get picked on so they bring guns to school, surely I am not the only one who thinks that the risks in school are alot higher now then back then.

why is it that "these kids today" and their parents file lawsuits at the drop of a hat if their kid doesn't make the team or the cheerleading squad? Back then, if you didn't make the team, your parents told you to practice and getter better for next year. Any remember the story of the high school football coach that got suspended if he demolished his opponents? Even when he put his second and third string teams that still outscored the other team, he still got suspended. At kids hockey games here in Texas, if a team is winning by more than 5 goals, they won't update the scoreboard so the losing team doesn't get too demoralized by looking at the score (even though they still track the goals on the scoresheet).

why is it that "these kids today" kill each other for tennis shoes, iPods, etc? Back then, sure it might have got stolen back then or you might have gotten beaten up, but the chances of dying over something like that were a whole lot less then they are now today.

why is it that "these kids today" don't receive corporal punishment in school? Back then, the paddle instilled discpline and made a student think twice before doing something they shouldn't. Now, look at the discipline and respect (or lack thereof) that occur in school (and the 'real' world for that matter) now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: ProfJohn


Signs of narcissism among college students have been rising for 25 years, according to a recent study led by a San Diego State University psychologist. Obviously, Mr. Rogers alone can't be blamed for this. But as Prof. Chance sees it, "he's representative of a culture of excessive doting."

Prof. Chance teaches many Asian-born students, and says they accept whatever grade they're given; they see B's and C's as an indication that they must work harder, and that their elders assessed them accurately. They didn't grow up with Mr. Rogers or anyone else telling them they were born special.

By contrast, American students often view lower grades as a reason to "hit you up for an A because they came to class and feel they worked hard," says Prof. Chance. He wishes more parents would offer kids this perspective: "The world owes you nothing. You have to work and compete. If you want to be special, you'll have to prove it."

Bullshit. If I think I deserve an A given my work I'll damn well go and fucking fight for it. Half my professors have been half-random graders anyway; I've had profs come to class in pajamas before.

Besides, Professors forget who they work for. Their grading styles are not always quality ones. I would never accept a grade I thought was unfair.

This guy is an asshole. I pay inordinate amounts of money for my education and I expect to be treated with respect by the professors to whom much of that money goes. It's their job to grade and teach, but they work for US.

Teachers and professors are not infallible, why the hell would anyone take their word as omiscient absolute. I've had teachers WRONGLY grade me lower before, and there is a great degree of randomness and bullshit in the way various teachers grade.


That being said, I work very hard and have never needed to contest a grade in a way that was a big hallabaloo, and have only ever done so at all two times.

Give the Professors a break, it must be hard to teach people who know so much more then the teacher.

You're being unfair to what I said, and frankly that was a silly comment because nothing in my post was about knowing more than a professor.

It would be beyond foolish not to challenge a grade which seems inaccurate. Professors are as fallible as anyone, if not more so in some ways, given their oft-combination of arrogance combined with laziness and a lack of accountability.

If you are still in school, I suggest you go to another institution. I've had cause to know more professors than you've had classes and see how the vast majority spend considerable time and effort grading and doing research beyond what the student sees. To be sure there are professors exactly as described, but the whining student who sees themselves wronged because they believe they should get the grade they paid for rather than what they earned though their efforts is far more common. Although I don't completely agree with his analysis I can understand his opinion considering the number of people complaining about "unfair" grades with unfair being defined as having to actually learn the material and demonstrate some competence.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Besides, Professors forget who they work for. Their grading styles are not always quality ones. I would never accept a grade I thought was unfair.

This guy is an asshole. I pay inordinate amounts of money for my education and I expect to be treated with respect by the professors to whom much of that money goes. It's their job to grade and teach, but they work for US.

You do realize that you are showing your sense of entitlement with that quote?

You work hard, you pay the Professors, they work for you? see the trend?

Now I am guessing that you are a little young to see the trends and understand the big picture.
We now have graduation ceremonies for first graders.
Teachers shouldn?t use red pens because it might hurt the students self esteem.
We give everyone gold stars just for trying.
Then we have the ?soccer mom? and ?security mom? labels.
If you have children your entire life is expected to revolve around them and therefore we are raising a generation of kids who grow up thinking that it is all about them.

Yes there are a lot of college students who work hard and deserve the good grades they are getting. But there are also a lot of students who believe that just because they tried hard and because they spent a lot of time working on a project that they deserve a good grade for it.
Just as there are a lot of people who believe that because they show up every day, work hard and show some effort they should get a raise or a promotion.
This is because all their life they are rewarded for ?trying hard.? However, when you become an adult you are no longer rewarded for ?trying? instead you are rewarded for producing results.

 

[mattpegher]

Since most college profs grad based on standardized testing, the only room for subjective grades are mostly in the Humanities. Most universities keep track of the statistics of each profs grades and if the fall out of the usual, the prof is usually instructed to adjust his grading proceedures given some basic requirements of the class.

If every student whines about his grade and every prof listened then we would loose the ability to differentiate those who deserve the A and those that don't.

Lastly if you are arguing some grade in a Humanity realize the subjective and debatable nature of you course and just accept that there is no objective criteria. These subjects continue to be arbitrary even after college and you might as well get used to it.

 

[IEC]

Mr. Rogers still wins the "Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny"

He isn't to blame for my generation's sense of entitlement, and neither is any other single entity. We're all to blame. While I may not feel entitled, most of my peers do. It's shameful and sickening. It's no wonder that they happily endorse socialized programs and gleefully accept bigger government and higher taxes. I mean, they need Uncle Sam to take care of them, right?

My view:
Get rid of Social Security, Medicare, and other socialized programs. They're black holes for avoiding responsibility.
Get rid of the Dept. of Homeland Security and other government bureaucracies that don't benefit us. Cut the fat and return to limited government.
Cut taxes and encourage investment in American companies and investment as a tool for financial security in later life.
Invest early and often... and reap the benefits when you don't have to rely on the government. You're being a responsible citizen who isn't a burden on others.

 

[blackllotus]

These young adults who feel so entitled should bring create a class action lawsuit against Mr. Rogers for making them feel so entitled.