Blame Trump for higher gas prices

[piasabird]

The fact of that matter is that a lot of this was controlled by the depression caused by the housing crash and depression around 2008. It put so many people out of work that the demand for gasoline dropped. Then there was a large number of Hybrid cars that were sold further dropping the demand for Gasoline. Then that was coupled with the fracking developments and a glut in the supply of propane, an alternate source of energy.

Worldwide energy is shifting significantly to wind. There are supplies of oil all over the world many of which are untapped or under utilized like off the coast of California, and off the coast of Palestine. Then in Asia Russia developed their oil reserves supplying a large portion of the EU with oil.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Higher gas prices means fewer miles driven, more efficient cars purchased including electric vehicles, fewer emissions and a healthier planet.

My gawd, when are you progressive imbeciles going to embrace a consistent message? It's like dealing with a bunch of thirteen year olds day after day after day. Children go through phases as they grow and mature but proggies are forever stuck in teenage thinking.

I am not a progressive or conservative or whatever, but what you said above is true. Higher gas prices are essential to the market for more expensive electric or hybrid cars

 

[piasabird]

I seem to remember the requirement for special blends of Oil was a big problem in California and it caused micro-shortages of gasoline in California.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why should they? The lesson learned from the last crisis is the federal government won't let a major U.S. automaker fail, thus we've created the moral hazard for companies like Ford to place the highest risk/payoff bets they can since they know they're backstopped either way. Why produce a boring subcompact where you might make a couple hundred bucks, when instead you can produce pickup trucks or SUVs where you make multiple thousands per vehicle sold. Especially knowing if the market turns you know the Treasury will be there with a lifeline or cash to bail you out anyway?

You really don't understand, huh? The car biz isn't vertically integrated anymore. It's horizontally integrated at the level of parts makers like Delphi. They make parts for everybody & the whole thing runs on borrowed money. If GM fails, Delphi fails, & nobody makes cars because they can't get the parts.

 

[hal2kilo]

Seems like an interesting time for Ford to be dumping their car lines and going to a straight reliance on SUVs and trucks. The trend has been to buying larger vehicles again but no way that holds if prices continue as they are.

Detroit car manufacturers seem to have no long range vision.

 

[K1052]

I am not a progressive or conservative or whatever, but what you said above is true. Higher gas prices are essential to the market for more expensive electric or hybrid cars

It's not essential but it would accelerate the change for sure. $4 gas and diesel for a few years would take us over the tipping point. They'd still be used but likely as an augment (range extenders).

 

[herm0016]

wait.....if i remember correctly you all wanted higher gas prices? now you are mad because it was not your guy?

 

[K1052]

wait.....if i remember correctly you all wanted higher gas prices? now you are mad because it was not your guy?

I'm personally rooting for Trump to find some way to push it to $5 or $6 a gallon.

 

[herm0016]

lulz, so am i. see below. I may have to buy a bike or something to commute, but ill be making bank.

 

[Bitek]

I'm split.

On one hand I don't want to pay more.

On the other, higher prices will help keep sales of 4 ton truck/SUV deathmobiles off the road and out of the hands of the soccer moms.
Perhaps it will motivate purchases to something less of a polluting road hazard to make the trips to whole foods, yoga studios and climate change protests in.

 

[Noah Abrams]

I'm split.

On one hand I don't want to pay more.

On the other, higher prices will help keep sales of 4 ton truck/SUV deathmobiles off the road and out of the hands of the soccer moms.
Perhaps it will motivate purchases to something less of a polluting road hazard to make the trips to whole foods, yoga studios and climate change protests in.

Maybe American kids have become so big that a tank is needed to haul them

 

[Zorba]

Higher gas prices means fewer miles driven, more efficient cars purchased including electric vehicles, fewer emissions and a healthier planet.

My gawd, when are you progressive imbeciles going to embrace a consistent message? It's like dealing with a bunch of thirteen year olds day after day after day. Children go through phases as they grow and mature but proggies are forever stuck in teenage thinking.

You started to have your first sane post ever, but then you remembered and you ended on paint huffer again.

 

[boomerang]

wait.....if i remember correctly you all wanted higher gas prices? now you are mad because it was not your guy?

Exactly. Groupthink dictates that they must oppose anything that happens during the Trump presidency. What they wanted under 0bama is not what they want under Trump.

They hate historically low black and hispanic unemployment along with GDP growth and all the rest too. No success can escape the hate.

I've said it before, handing out those trophies to the losers was a big fucking mistake. We've got far too many that can't come to grips with the loss of the presidency.

 

[Zorba]

I'm personally all for higher oil prices. It helps drives the economics of alternative fuel sources, helps drives efficiency technology, causes people to drive less and buy more efficient cars. It also helps out my state's economy a lot, but I am sure the Republicans will still make sure our schools aren't funded.

Speaking of, the Fed needs to raise fuel taxes to a level that actually provides appropriate DOT funding.

 

[piasabird]

If all the people would quit purchasing SUV's gas prices would decrease.

 

[piasabird]

I love my Corolla.

 

[herm0016]

If all the people would quit purchasing SUV's gas prices would decrease.

lulz. the volume difference between some people choosing a car over an suv is staggeringly small. Protip: oil and gas do a heck of a lot more than make your car go zoom zoom.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Speaking of, the Fed needs to raise fuel taxes to a level that actually provides appropriate DOT funding.

Nope. People already are taxed enough. For a massively bloated govt bureaucracy. They can get a lot of funding by reducing govt departments and military.

I see a lot of crossover SUVs now. I think they have better mpg and at least these folks wouldn't be scrambling to get rid of them

 

[Bitek]

Nope. People already are taxed enough. For a massively bloated govt bureaucracy. They can get a lot of funding by reducing govt departments and military.

I see a lot of crossover SUVs now. I think they have better mpg and at least these folks wouldn't be scrambling to get rid of them

A trillion dollar deficit and crumbling infrastructure is a clear sign that no, we are not taxed enough already if we still want the other stuff.

 

[herm0016]

A trillion dollar deficit and crumbling infrastructure is a clear sign that no, we are not taxed enough already if we still want the other stuff.

we don't want the other stuff and are unwilling to pay more for the things we should be spending money on.

ex: in boulder co, the town has spent millions on lawyers trying to form a government owned monopoly for an electric utility that would requires them to steal assets from the current utility that are outside the city limits and serve customers outside the city limits, but keeps them from being able to vote on the proposals, all the while they bitch and moan about not having enough money to go to a conference or fix a pothole.

and now they are spending money suing oil companies (who deliver their products based on demand) for all of climate change on earth. note: it is demand for these products that creates the problems, not the people filling the demand.

 

[Puffnstuff]

If it goes upwards of $4, will people be scrambling again to get rid of their SUVs and trucks?

If that does happen I will be curious to see how Ford deals with it since they are in the process of transitioning to more truck and suv production and slashing their car stable down to 2 models.

 

[Noah Abrams]

ex: in boulder co, the town has spent millions on lawyers trying to form a government owned monopoly for an electric utility that would requires them to steal assets from the current utility that are outside the city limits and serve customers outside the city limits, but keeps them from being able to vote on the proposals, all the while they bitch and moan about not having enough money to go to a conference or fix a pothole.

and now they are spending money suing oil companies (who deliver their products based on demand) for all of climate change on earth. note: it is demand for these products that creates the problems, not the people filling the demand.

This is how governments usually ‘work’

Hint: In cases above, the lawyers have ‘donated’ to the politicians controlling the govt

 

[ivwshane]

There is no way we could have such a policy where climate change is addressed and gas prices go down or remain low. No way at all!



Oh you say that's exactly what happened under Obama? Well, Keynan, Muslim, Benghazi, Syria, etc etc.

 

[Bitek]

we don't want the other stuff and are unwilling to pay more for the things we should be spending money on.

ex: in boulder co, the town has spent millions on lawyers trying to form a government owned monopoly for an electric utility that would requires them to steal assets from the current utility that are outside the city limits and serve customers outside the city limits, but keeps them from being able to vote on the proposals, all the while they bitch and moan about not having enough money to go to a conference or fix a pothole.

and now they are spending money suing oil companies (who deliver their products based on demand) for all of climate change on earth. note: it is demand for these products that creates the problems, not the people filling the demand.

Boulder.. lol.

Lived there a number of years and it's the reason I'm a centrist.

When I do say "we", I am referring to the national consensus. There are constituencies that want to limit spending in certain areas, but there is not a politically dominant position to massively shrink the social safety net nor the military.

We can debate the merits of it back and forth, but until someone can get the votes together to make that change, we will stay relatively steady state.

Eg, no gamechangers in terms of spending.

 

[herm0016]

There is no way we could have such a policy where climate change is addressed and gas prices go down or remain low. No way at all!



Oh you say that's exactly what happened under Obama? Well, Keynan, Muslim, Benghazi, Syria, etc etc.

the lower gas prices was not due to policy. this really just proves that gas prices are based on things like supply and demand and much less on twitter rants.

also. lived there too... keep moving further away. now on the outskirts of longmont.