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rivan

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I bet the Blue posters will totally have their names revealed.
 

aigomorla

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I fail to see how this is an issue. Why would you be hiding your identity, when you are interacting with people? Seems counterproductive.

Because its not from your friends you need to worry about.

Its some freaken (self declared princess) located in libera who now has your full info and can write a customized bs email saying you won 100000000000000000000000000000000 dollars.

And your only setting yourself up for more of those idiotic <>< es.
 

KeithTalent

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Seems like a bad idea. Many people here know my identity, through trading and whatnot, but to just have it thrown out there in order to stop a few trolls seems counter-productive. The trolls will find another way to get in there and some of the honest posters will stop going there for fear of having all of their info made public.

I know it's still pretty easy to find someone if you want to, whether or not you have their name, but still, why make it easier?

KT
 

kalrith

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It's pretty much a give-in that employers are going to do a Google search for good applicants in order to find as much info as possible (Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.). If you've narrowed it down to two applicants, and one of them posts on the WoW forums, which are you going to choose?

IMO, it shouldn't matter what people do with their free time, but if an employer thinks that having an employee that plays WoW means they're going to come in after gaming all night and getting 2 hours of sleep, then they're going to scratch the WoW player off their list immediately.

For that reason alone, I think it's a terrible idea. I would never post with my real name on a forum just in case it would show up in an employer's or prospective employer's Google search.
 

Modelworks

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Lol.. seriously? I might 'slip up' and divulge my real name or pertinent information? I've posted 600 times on this forum and not once has my real name, location or even what MMO's/servers/character names I've used come up. You have it backward. If you just had someone's real name you could attach it to the real person much easier by comparing it to facebook results and other postings.

You don't need to give your real name. I can read what you post on topics and add up the info you do provide. And that info is way more valuable than just a name. For example if you post in a thread about how hot outside it is and give the temperature and state only, then I know what state you live in . If you post in a thread about a game being sold at a specific store chain I can eliminate areas where that store chain doesn't exist. People reveal more information than they realize.


You realize people have been stabbed, murdered and kidnapped over MMO related stuff right. If they want to prevent trolling just attach the forum name to your battle.net account (which it already is) and just ban the battle.net account entirely (from all battle.net games) if you need to be banned for trolling. Champions Online has a brilliant forum/game interconnectivity while maintaining privacy.

Are you seriously that concerned ? More people are murdered walking on the street , and nobody knew their name, than ever will be from posting their name on the internet. If you are playing a game that had you worried that another player is going to physically attack you then maybe that isn't the best game to be playing.

How did you make it through school ? Did the teachers assign everyone usernames ?

I think the reactions I see are more from people now concerned that what they say online might actually matter and they can't just do what they want.
 

rivan

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I think the reactions I see are more from people now concerned that what they say online might actually matter and they can't just do what they want.

You apparently don't have any issue with the erosion of personal privacy on the internet.

I so, and so do lots of other people.
 

Modelworks

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It's pretty much a give-in that employers are going to do a Google search for good applicants in order to find as much info as possible (Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.). If you've narrowed it down to two applicants, and one of them posts on the WoW forums, which are you going to choose?

I can see that side of it really as being the only real reason not to do it. Would you want to work for an employer who judges people based on what hobbies they have ? Personally if I lost the job because I played a game then I wouldn't want to work there anyway. The work environment would probably suck having someone like that for a boss.


I think people need to change their attitude when online to realize that what they do could remain online for years to come and so they need to make sure they would not have a problem with that in the future. It is very similar to the pics people post then later regret.
 

Modelworks

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You apparently don't have any issue with the erosion of personal privacy on the internet.

I so, and so do lots of other people.

I don't see any erosion. A persons name and even address isn't private. Anyone working in a post office, UPS , Fedex see thousands of them every day. If people cannot stand behind what they do then they should not do it.
 

NoQuarter

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You don't need to give your real name. I can read what you post on topics and add up the info you do provide. And that info is way more valuable than just a name. For example if you post in a thread about how hot outside it is and give the temperature and state only, then I know what state you live in . If you post in a thread about a game being sold at a specific store chain I can eliminate areas where that store chain doesn't exist. People reveal more information than they realize.
Ok, you can dig through my hundreds of posts and piece together vague information that might get it narrowed down to what state I'm in, or you can just use my real name and narrow it down to maybe even my phone number.
Are you seriously that concerned ? More people are murdered walking on the street , and nobody knew their name, than ever will be from posting their name on the internet. If you are playing a game that had you worried that another player is going to physically attack you then maybe that isn't the best game to be playing.

How did you make it through school ? Did the teachers assign everyone usernames ?

I think the reactions I see are more from people now concerned that what they say online might actually matter and they can't just do what they want.

Yes clearly the internet is comparable to a high school of relatively supervised peers with real world checks on their behavior. You already said yourself people do shit on the internet they don't want to own up to. Now give those people your real name so they can find more innovative ways to be dicks?

But the real issue is you losing control of your choice of privacy. I don't know any forum that guarantees your privacy will be broken by signing up. In fact every forum I've signed up guarantees to protect it. And ultimately they just don't *need* my name.

I use my real name for friends, family and business, if you're not one of those you get some stupid handle.
 
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rivan

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I don't see any erosion. A persons name and even address isn't private. Anyone working in a post office, UPS , Fedex see thousands of them every day. If people cannot stand behind what they do then they should not do it.

There's a huge difference that you pointed out in your previous posts - the internet is, for all intents and purposes, forever.

I stand behind what I do and say on the internet, but that doesn't mean that I want every ATOT reader, in perpetuity, to be able to investigate me with a minimum of effort.

You pointed out previously that you could e-stalk another poster and gradually add up a profile of a poster. From that profile you might be able to put together their identity and from there it'd be reasonably easy to seriously fuck with them.

Using your real name on forums takes that front end work out of the equation. I'd call that an erosion.

I use aliases in my email addresses, forum handles and logins precisely because I don't want to share my name. There are several better ways to solve for forum spam.

If you're so open and unconcerned about your name and address, why don't you post it here?
 

NoWhereM

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I've used my real name or had it visible on some forums, and I've also been anonymous on some. Personally I find this idea really objectionable.

It should be up the the person posting whether their real name is visible, it's a matter of privacy and personal choice. Blizzard has no right to share the personal information of their customers with a third party if their customers need technical support or even if they just want to discuss the game with other customers.
 

chalmers

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There's a simple solution to the people who have a problem with it.

Don't post on the forums. How simple was that?
 

waggy

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this is a bad bad idea. one that will not make it to the light of day. its not going to happen.
 

Modelworks

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Yes clearly the internet is comparable to a high school of relatively supervised peers with real world checks on their behavior. You already said yourself people do shit on the internet they don't want to own up to. Now give those people your real name so they can find more innovative ways to be dicks?

Their is the root of the complaints. It isn't about stalkers or people stealing their identity, it is about people acting like fools and being held accountable for what they do. It is so funny reading forums and people saying "They aren't going to make this retroactive are they ?" , So scared that someone might find out what they are really like. Reminds me of when someone has a photo of someone when they were drunk. They called someone names and talked trash and now that person might know who they are ? Maybe they shouldn't have said that ? Real world checks on behavior is what the internet needs. It would solve a ton of problems.

But the real issue is you losing control of your choice of privacy. I don't know any forum that guarantees your privacy will be broken by signing up. In fact every forum I've signed up guarantees to protect it. And ultimately they just don't *need* my name.
I use my real name for friends, family and business, if you're not one of those you get some stupid handle.

I use some forums that require Name, Address, and some even verify it and it is used in posting. I also belong to mailing list that require it.

How many people scared of their name cover their debit/credit cards in stores, better hide it there too, that crazy grocery bagger is going to get your name and hunt you down because you told him paper not plastic. Don't go to college either, your name and face will appear and people will always be able to go back in records and read it.
Stay away from hospitals, emergency rooms, hotels, and anywhere else that has a name and address form, those employees taking the forms could be psychotic.
 

Modelworks

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There's a huge difference that you pointed out in your previous posts - the internet is, for all intents and purposes, forever.

I stand behind what I do and say on the internet, but that doesn't mean that I want every ATOT reader, in perpetuity, to be able to investigate me with a minimum of effort.

What would they be investigating ? If people would stop and think that what they put on the internet should not be anything they do not want anyone anywhere ever to read there is no problem. You don't go around handing nude photos of yourself to strangers and I can't see why people think that doing so online affords them some sort of protection.

You pointed out previously that you could e-stalk another poster and gradually add up a profile of a poster. From that profile you might be able to put together their identity and from there it'd be reasonably easy to seriously fuck with them.
Using your real name on forums takes that front end work out of the equation. I'd call that an erosion.

Why would someone want to mess with you though ? Are people really concerned they have that many enemies that everyone is out to get them ?

I use aliases in my email addresses, forum handles and logins precisely because I don't want to share my name. There are several better ways to solve for forum spam.

If you're so open and unconcerned about your name and address, why don't you post it here?

I don't get it. You definitely were not a internet user when it began. Then there were strict rules governing email and usenet where a user could lose their ISP account for using a pseudonym or faking identity.

My name is in my profile where it has always been.
 
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NoQuarter

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There's a simple solution to the people who have a problem with it.

Don't post on the forums. How simple was that?

But there is legitimate use for the forums as tech support, guild recruiting, etc, and Blizzard's own obligation to protect the privacy of their users.


I keep seeing people say 'this only affects trolls' - that's true, only trolls/data miners/advertisers benefit from seeing your real name, average users don't gain or lose anything by seeing your name.
 

rivan

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Their is the root of the complaints. It isn't about stalkers or people stealing their identity, it is about people acting like fools and being held accountable for what they do. It is so funny reading forums and people saying "They aren't going to make this retroactive are they ?" , So scared that someone might find out what they are really like. Reminds me of when someone has a photo of someone when they were drunk. They called someone names and talked trash and now that person might know who they are ? Maybe they shouldn't have said that ? Real world checks on behavior is what the internet needs. It would solve a ton of problems.

That's a huge copout. Taking that attitude to it's illogical but conceivable extreme would be that cops shouldn't need warrants to enter homes. If you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem?

I'm not a forum troll. I think I may have posted on the wow forums once, maybe twice. I object to this on the grounds that there is /no good reason/ outside billing me to have my real name and absolutely no good reason for them to display it to the general public if and when I have a tech issue I'd like to ask a question about.

I use some forums that require Name, Address, and some even verify it and it is used in posting. I also belong to mailing list that require it.

I do, too. They're also not accessible by the general public/search engines, with one notable exception.


How many people scared of their name cover their debit/credit cards in stores, better hide it there too, that crazy grocery bagger is going to get your name and hunt you down because you told him paper not plastic. Don't go to college either, your name and face will appear and people will always be able to go back in records and read it.
Stay away from hospitals, emergency rooms, hotels, and anywhere else that has a name and address form, those employees taking the forms could be psychotic.

I think you're being purposely obtuse here, unless you truly don't see a difference between showing your ID to a store clerk in order to use your debit card, and your name being recorded publicly for every comment you make.
 

NoQuarter

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Their is the root of the complaints. It isn't about stalkers or people stealing their identity, it is about people acting like fools and being held accountable for what they do. It is so funny reading forums and people saying "They aren't going to make this retroactive are they ?" , So scared that someone might find out what they are really like. Reminds me of when someone has a photo of someone when they were drunk. They called someone names and talked trash and now that person might know who they are ? Maybe they shouldn't have said that ? Real world checks on behavior is what the internet needs. It would solve a ton of problems.



I use some forums that require Name, Address, and some even verify it and it is used in posting. I also belong to mailing list that require it.

How many people scared of their name cover their debit/credit cards in stores, better hide it there too, that crazy grocery bagger is going to get your name and hunt you down because you told him paper not plastic. Don't go to college either, your name and face will appear and people will always be able to go back in records and read it.
Stay away from hospitals, emergency rooms, hotels, and anywhere else that has a name and address form, those employees taking the forms could be psychotic.

I don't know why you keep using real world situations. You've removed their anonymity and yours at the same time. The whole point is, the troller's anonymity remains intact while yours is lost. With the shield of anonymity the troller is free to harass you for whatever reason. I myself am not worried - I don't play WoW, I also am a Nice Guy in MMO's regardless if I can be held accountable or not, I am male, and I don't post enough personal information for anyone to figure out who I am even if they had my name.

I'm against it in principle. Some 15 yo girl shouldn't have to have some guy breathing her name over vent after he found it out on the forums when she couldn't get the patcher to work.
 

Modelworks

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That's a huge copout. Taking that attitude to it's illogical but conceivable extreme would be that cops shouldn't need warrants to enter homes. If you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem?

Warrants and your name on a forum have nothing to do with each other unless you use that name to commit a crime. People worried that there are gamers that are going to stalk them down is actually really scary. Scary not because there may be stalkers but scary there are people that worried someone is out to get them.

I'm not a forum troll. I think I may have posted on the wow forums once, maybe twice. I object to this on the grounds that there is /no good reason/ outside billing me to have my real name and absolutely no good reason for them to display it to the general public if and when I have a tech issue I'd like to ask a question about.

Then send them an email. If you used your real name to ask a tech issue then who cares. Do you think people are scanning over tech forums looking for people to target ?



I think you're being purposely obtuse here, unless you truly don't see a difference between showing your ID to a store clerk in order to use your debit card, and your name being recorded publicly for every comment you make.

I'm actually more concerned with the store clerk than my name being recorded. I have post from 1996 that are publicly accessible and it doesn't bother me one bit. I was never told those would be public but I assumed they would and acted accordingly. If I said it, then I said it, I can either try to make excuses for it or I can just live with it and get on with my life. This topic is really making people seem more paranoid than I thought they were.
 

Modelworks

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I don't know why you keep using real world situations. You've removed their anonymity and yours at the same time. The whole point is, the troller's anonymity remains intact while yours is lost. With the shield of anonymity the troller is free to harass you for whatever reason.

Because they are no different when it comes down to people that are the kind to harass other people. A person is free to walk into a college and look over the students pictures and names and you will never know they did. They could see you walk by on the sidewalk and then match your photo and name later. That threat is much more dangerous.




I'm against it in principle. Some 15 yo girl shouldn't have to have some guy breathing her name over vent after he found it out on the forums when she couldn't get the patcher to work.

If he was on vent then you would know who he was too. I have heard the protect the girls argument too. If a minor is online and someone is harassing them they need to report the person or leave that environment. Minors should be taught to realize that hiding behind a username is not going to protect them and that whatever they do online is easily viewable by anyone else and not some mystical place that keeps all their secrets.
 
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