Blizzard just LOL'd at privacy

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lupi

Lifer
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and we're now passing 750 pages/15000 post on the NA site with page counts starting to go up elsewhere as the sun hits the rest of the world.
 

Dumac

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Dec 31, 2005
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Again, I can't see how ANYONE would think this is a good idea.

I don't even use the damn Blizzard forums because of the horrible UI and setup, but I could see this leaking into Diablo 3 or something, where every character has their player's real name below them or something.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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This is worth some epic lulz

"For those that were not on the forums earlier, when a Blue decided to give out his RL name, just to defend these new changes, here is a break down of what happened:

1. Mr Whipple (aka Bashiok on the forums) gave out his real name.

2. Shortly after giving out his name, many people started posting personal information about him. Obviously more and more post gave more information about his real life (including phone number, address, family members names, etc etc).

3. He then claims its against the rules to post personal details on the forums.

4. The thread gets locked.

5. Mr Whipple had to delete his facebook page, because of the amount of harassment coming his away.


This is just ONE Blizzard employee that tried to stand up and show he wasnt afraid to give away his real name. Its a shame the amount of hate he received because he is actually one of the more likable blues here. The public wanted to make an example out of him, about how bad things can get and how fast it can get there.

Seriously Blizz, do not let this go live. No one should have to deal with this level of harassment, period."

... unless that data happens to be your real name.

/facepalm
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Again, I can't see how ANYONE would think this is a good idea.

I don't even use the damn Blizzard forums because of the horrible UI and setup, but I could see this leaking into Diablo 3 or something, where every character has their player's real name below them or something.

there's no could about it.
 

Jschmuck2

Diamond Member
Jul 13, 2005
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"Is anyone forcing you nerds to post on those boards?

"Well, no bu"

"So what's the problem?"

"Uh, it sets a dangerous precedent."

"A dangerous precedent in that your real name will be displayed if you choose to post on some video game forums...voluntarily?"

"Yes."

"(sigh)"

SCENE.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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Taking the time? What time? It took me a few minutes to find your home address.


so do the post office, the phone book, utility companies, schools, work places, web registrars, and on and on. Home address ? oh no !, lol
My information has been public for over 15 years online, never had a single problem.
Are people really that paranoid ? Go outside , experience the real world.
 

Maximilian

Lifer
Feb 8, 2004
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This is worth some epic lulz

"For those that were not on the forums earlier, when a Blue decided to give out his RL name, just to defend these new changes, here is a break down of what happened:

1. Mr Whipple (aka Bashiok on the forums) gave out his real name.

2. Shortly after giving out his name, many people started posting personal information about him. Obviously more and more post gave more information about his real life (including phone number, address, family members names, etc etc).

3. He then claims its against the rules to post personal details on the forums.

4. The thread gets locked.

5. Mr Whipple had to delete his facebook page, because of the amount of harassment coming his away.


This is just ONE Blizzard employee that tried to stand up and show he wasnt afraid to give away his real name. Its a shame the amount of hate he received because he is actually one of the more likable blues here. The public wanted to make an example out of him, about how bad things can get and how fast it can get there.

Seriously Blizz, do not let this go live. No one should have to deal with this level of harassment, period."

lmfao! 1st casualty of a really stupid idea.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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Bingo.
Its already been held in many courts that a EULA is NOT a legally binding contract.

That isn't what the courts said at all. A Eula is a binding contract and cannot be dismissed just because it is in electronic form. The only thing that would prevent it being legal would be if they could prove you were not the one responsible for agreeing to it. Even an email is a binding contract if you agree to something and it can be proven it was from your pc and account.

Read the UETA.
http://www.law.upenn.edu/bll/archives/ulc/fnact99/1990s/ueta99.htm

A "click-through" transaction involves a process which, if executed with an intent to "sign," will be an electronic signature.
The full contract is also not void just because some provisions are not applicable . The only parts not enforceable are ones that circumvent existing laws.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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K, I'll buy that... only if we realize that most EULAs are unenforceable and generally contain provisions that make them illegal.
Only the provisions that go against local laws are void not the entire EULA and they are enforceable.
 

Qbah

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so do the post office, the phone book, utility companies, schools, work places, web registrars, and on and on. Home address ? oh no !, lol
My information has been public for over 15 years online, never had a single problem.
Are people really that paranoid ? Go outside , experience the real world.

I'm not playing WoW (for years now), but I find the idea really really bad. Your suggestion would work in a perfect world. But that's not our world. No idea if you have ever played WoW, but this game is full of crazy people (in a negative way). And since communication is not a barrier at all, you get to meet all sorts of creepy people (seriously). Before today you were safe, they only knew your nickname. The blue that had to delete his FB page is a perfect (yet very mild actually) example. I can really imagine several "Jay and Silent Bob" situations, just because someone grieved, camped or whatever someone else in WoW. Another thing? Stalking. People will go to great lengths to do things... And with your personal information being easily available, all those things get a LOT easier. Remember that the game is played by all ages, not only older, reasonable (for the most part) people.

Also, all the locations you mention know you under your real name in the first place. And those are real, public places, where you are you, not some fantasy character that you play. You interact with real people. You meet them in person. How is that related to what is Blizzard is planning to do?
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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It won't matter...


no it won't and it has the ability to cause some major harm. The blue poster listed above is one example.


that would be like giving it out at 4chan. just not a good idea.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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I'm not playing WoW (for years now), but I find the idea really really bad. Your suggestion would work in a perfect world. But that's not our world.

I live in the real world. The one where your name is everywhere and so is your address. If you went to a psychiatrist and told them that you were afraid of someone in a game learning your real name because they might come and kill you they would start you on anti-psychotic medication .

If people are playing a game that has them fearing for their life then quit playing it.

Also, all the locations you mention know you under your real name in the first place. And those are real, public places, where you are you, not some fantasy character that you play.

Maybe someone that looks up websites registered to me and available with a simple online check, doesn't like my site, should I fear registering a web site ?
 
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kalrith

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Aug 22, 2005
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what privacy requirements ? The only thing with privacy requirements are health care and financial data.

This is false. I work in insurance, and we have to shred every piece of paperwork that has an insured's name and address on it. In fact most E&O claims result from the leaking of addresses, not from financial information.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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This is false. I work in insurance, and we have to shred every piece of paperwork that has an insured's name and address on it. In fact most E&O claims result from the leaking of addresses, not from financial information.

health insurance ? it falls under HIPAA. Anything else is not regulated by laws except financial data . Corporate policies on privacy are up to them for other areas. What does address have to do with E&O claims ?
 

kalrith

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Aug 22, 2005
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I live in the real world. The one where your name is everywhere and so is your address. If you went to a psychiatrist and told them that you were afraid of someone in a game learning your real name because they might come and kill you they would start you on anti-psychotic medication .

So, you're saying that stalking doesn't exist, and people don't stalk people just because they found them on the internet? Sounds like the "real world" you live in is from about 30 years ago.

And while I agree that what Blizzard is doing is idiotic, it's a private company and can do this as long as you agree to their terms (and those terms are legal, of which I'm uncertain in this case). The answer if you disagree with it is to take your business elsewhere. That sucks if you really like WoW and its forums, but it's really the only thing that will show Blizzard it's done something wrong.

I currently do that same thing with DRM-laden games. I show the company I don't like its practices by not giving it money, since that's what drives the decisions of practically every for-profit organization.
 

kalrith

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Aug 22, 2005
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health insurance ? it falls under HIPAA. Anything else is not regulated by laws except financial data . Corporate policies on privacy are up to them for other areas. What does address have to do with E&O claims ?

Not health insurance. We do auto insurance, general liability, commercial property, etc. If we throw a piece of paper in the track that says:
Modelworks Trucking
Mark Hanchey DBA
820 First Ave.
Nashville, TN
...and someone digs that out of the trash and contacts you, then we go to court and lose lots of money. It happens all the time, and we spend lots of time and money ensuring that none of that paperwork leaves our building until shredded.

If WoW posts someone's first and last name, and it's so unique that someone can track down the rest of their info, I'm guessing that Blizzard would lose in court if it ever went that far.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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So, you're saying that stalking doesn't exist, and people don't stalk people just because they found them on the internet? Sounds like the "real world" you live in is from about 30 years ago.

It exist, but the way people react it is like they think stalkers are 1 in 10 people. Do people even realize how many people have viewed personal information on things like myspace ? They averaged 30 Billion views per month at one point . People provided everything from pictures to detailed schedules on how they spent their day. Where are all the stalkers from those billions of visitors ?

I'm beginning to think that all the gaming has damaged peoples perception of the real world. They think everyone is out to get them.
 

fatpat268

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Jan 14, 2006
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I live in the real world. The one where your name is everywhere and so is your address. If you went to a psychiatrist and told them that you were afraid of someone in a game learning your real name because they might come and kill you they would start you on anti-psychotic medication .

The problem is that we're talking about WoW and other blizzard games where there's a lot of fanatical people who play these games to death... people who are mentally instable and will do stupid shit.

Granted, the likelihood of someone tracking you down is low, but why allow the possibility in the first place?
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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...and someone digs that out of the trash and contacts you, then we go to court and lose lots of money. It happens all the time, and we spend lots of time and money ensuring that none of that paperwork leaves our building until shredded.

On what basis can you go to court because someone contacted someone else from an address ? Did you break your own privacy agreements ?
 
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