BLM Baton Rouge police fatally shot man

[CZroe]

Did he actually go for the gun or not!? Saying that he was resisting doesn't mean they can shoot him on the suspicion that he MIGHT reach for a gun in a pocket that he probably couldnt reach in the first place on account of him being held down.


And I am going with what the witnesses said. The shop owner said that the guy didn't reach for anything.

They didn't just say that he was resisting. They also said he was going for a gun. I'm not discussing whether he was or wasn't going for a gun. I'm discussing when it is appropriate to react because of a dumba$$ assertion that you are supposed to wait.

...and the shop owner did not say that at all according to this thread. I haven't read a single article or watched a single video yet and am only going by what I read in this thread. Until you started claiming otherwise, the thread reported that the shop owner said the man's hands were nowhere near his pockets where he had his gun. As I already pointed out, that doesn't mean he didn't reach for an officer's gun. If you are going to find contradictions between what the police say and the witness' statement, the least you can do is go back to the source and get the statement right, which is what I am doing now.

 

[BeeBoop]

You clearly see two of the cops directly on top of him and it appears that one of them reached down while trying to restrain him and felt the gun in his pocket. He starts yelling "GUN GUN! He's got a gun!" and tells him not to move. You clearly see two officers take out their weapons and seconds later the shots ring out.

Again, the shop owner and manager of the store saw the whole thing go down and said he never reached for anything.


Cant wait to see a 20+ page thread of ATers trying to spin this.

Shop owner has a business to protect. We've seen time and time again what riots can do to a business owner.

 

[CZroe]

I'm not aware of any evidence suggesting he was reaching for the gun. So far we only know he had one.



If it turns out he was reaching for it, that is obviously another scenario.

Excuse me, but you are moving the goal post. I was challenging your BS assertion that it "looks bad" to shoot someone before they have their hand on a gun, but you seem BLISSFULLY unaware that the police said he was reaching for a gun. I know you don't consider that evidence until there is supporting evidence, but that is the scenario we were discussing.

Thanks for trying.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Why are you defending a criminal? He wasn't allowed to have a gun and he knew it. That's why he died.

Noooo, that is not why he was murdered.

 

[SheHateMe]

Because the witnesses were correct about 'hands up don't shoot' too right? Oh wait, they weren't. They lied. Eye witnesses are notoriously wrong.

So, you are comparing these witnesses to witnesses from an unrelated case in a State hundreds of miles away from Louisiana.

And to counter your argument that Eye-Witnesses are notoriously wrong....sometimes LEOs are, too.

How could they possibly know the gun wasn't legal... oh wait... I forgot...

I already mentioned that it was illegal for him to have a gun. He was a convicted felon. Still, illegal possession of a firearm in your pocket is not grounds to be shot down.

Shop owner has a business to protect. We've seen time and time again what riots can do to a business owner.

So what are you saying? The shop owner told a lie so his business doesn't get looted?



Or....just maybe....he actually witnessed the incident as he said and is telling the truth.

 

[LTC8K6]

Why can't we wait until all of the facts and videos are in before we start yelling at each other?

What is the rush to judgement for, exactly?

How does deciding what happened, right now, and firmly setting your position in concrete, help?

 

[purbeast0]

Why can't we wait until all of the facts and videos are in before we start yelling at each other?

What is the rush to judgement for, exactly?

How does deciding what happened, right now, and firmly setting your position in concrete, help?

this is the internet and damnit you MUST pick a side IMMEDIATELY! there is no in between either, no gray, just black and white.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Why can't we wait until all of the facts and videos are in before we start yelling at each other?

Because Michael Brown!

 

[BeeBoop]

Noooo, that is not why he was murdered.

It sure is. He was a criminal and a pretty stupid one at that. He resisted arrested when he knew he had a gun on himself that he wasn't supposed to have. I have no doubt in my mind panic mode set in when he realized that he was facing jail time again. The length of time doesn't matter and I'm sure he didn't even know how long he would get for having a gun, he just knew that he had to do something with it.

He resisted arrest with a hidden gun on himself, sounds like suicide by cop.

 

[glenn1]

Another super predator being brought to heel. No conscience, no empathy.

 

[CZroe]

Shop owner Abdullah Muflahi told the Advocate that the officers were "aggressive" from the start, and that Sterling was armed but was not holding his gun and didn’t have his hand near his pocket at the time of the shooting.

Link? I'd like to verify that is what he said, considering that so many are taking what you said and distorting it further. "Nowhere near his pocket" does not mean he wasn't reaching for an officer's gun.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

Excuse me, but you are moving the goal post. I was challenging your BS assertion that it "looks bad" to shoot someone before they have their hand on a gun, but you seem BLISSFULLY unaware that the police said he was reaching for a gun. I know you don't consider that evidence until there is supporting evidence, but that is the scenario we were discussing.

Thanks for trying.

No disrespect CZ but I see nothing in the video where he was going for a gun, nor do I see anyway he could have. Nor do I see any reason why he would have. Guess I'll have to watch the video again, but the few times I viewed it, I really didn't see a whole lot of resistance.
I am not a cop hater, but I don't like what I have been seeing over the last few years. :'(

 

[CZroe]

No disrespect CZ but I see nothing in the video where he was going for a gun, nor do I see anyway he could have. Nor do I see any reason why he would have. Guess I'll have to watch the video again, but the few times I viewed it, I really didn't see a whole lot of resistance.
I am not a cop hater, but I don't like what I have been seeing over the last few years. :'(

I haven't watched the video at all, I'm just saying that you don't have to have your hands on the gun first before you pose a justifiable threat.

My understanding is that the video doesn't show the crucial part at all. That said, if he was fighting to remain standing after being tazed and they still had to tackle him to get him on the ground, it sounds like he was resisting even before they yelled "gun."

These days I see videos of people who put their hands up and say "I'm not resisting" while they are in the middle of resisting. They either will not get down or will not put their hands behind their back or wrench their hands away from an officer's grip to put it back in the air in front and continue on questioning the officer's use of force and claiming that they are not resisting. It's pathetic. People no longer know what constitutes "resisting," as if they have to be swinging punches or returning fire for that to apply.

 

[SheHateMe]

If you haven't watched the video....why the hell are you speaking on the incident. You're in here telling people he went for the cop's gun...but you haven't even seen the footage yet.

 

[OCNewbie]

Shop owner has a business to protect. We've seen time and time again what riots can do to a business owner.

Exactly my thoughts. I did see him make one, fairly neutral comment, that the situation could have been handled differently, "on both sides", implying the man that was shot also made some questionable decisions.

 

[Subyman]

Sucks to see someone killed who has a family to support, but why do people argue with cops? Why not just put the cuffs on and then everyone calm down and discuss the issue? This doesn't give the cops the right to blast anyone, but I just don't understand people confronting cops and fighting with them.

 

[purbeast0]

Exactly my thoughts. I did see him make one, fairly neutral comment, that the situation could have been handled differently, "on both sides", implying the man that was shot also made some questionable decisions.

he also said that the guy had his one hand underneath him but it wasn't pinned and he could easily still move it, making it sound like he did have the freedom to "reach for a gun".

Sucks to see someone killed who has a family to support, but why do people argue with cops? Why not just put the cuffs on and then everyone calm down and discuss the issue? This doesn't give the cops the right to blast anyone, but I just don't understand people confronting cops and fighting with them.

i agree with this. but a lot of it stems from the cop hating culture that these people grow up with so they always think the cops are out to get them and they simply don't trust the cops.

 

[JSt0rm]

If you haven't watched the video....why the hell are you speaking on the incident. You're in here telling people he went for the cop's gun...but you haven't even seen the footage yet.

Doesnt matter if he watches or not. He will still have the same narrative.

 

[CZroe]

If you haven't watched the video....why the hell are you speaking on the incident. You're in here telling people he went for the cop's gun...but you haven't even seen the footage yet.

Bull. I called out a logic error. I then pointed out where you twisted what was said into something that wasn't said, so it doesn't surprise me that you're doing it again right here with this post.

Saying his hands weren't near his pocket is not the same as saying he never reached for a gun. Get it straight and stop saying that the shopkeeper said something he never said.

Just because I haven't watched the video (because I can't where I am now) doesn't mean I can't comment when someone makes the logic error of "gun not in hand = unjustifiable shooting."

I googled the shopkeeper's name and "The Advocate" and found a video that I can't watch here, so I asked for a link, which is a lot more than you've done (twisted the words to say what you want and spread them).

 

[CZroe]

Doesnt matter if he watches or not. He will still have the same narrative.

Yep: wait [for the facts] and see.

 

[yllus]

Sucks to see someone killed who has a family to support, but why do people argue with cops? Why not just put the cuffs on and then everyone calm down and discuss the issue? This doesn't give the cops the right to blast anyone, but I just don't understand people confronting cops and fighting with them.

It appears that often the issue is that many of the fiscally disadvantaged class have fines or even warrants outstanding for them, usually for incredibly petty issues. It's actually a pretty logical reaction on their part as the result of a sometimes Kafkaesque legal system. Give the below a read.

VICE - How Poor Young Black Men Run from the Police

...

At the time, Chuck was also sending $35 per month to the city toward payment on tickets he had received for driving without a license or registration; he hoped to get into good standing and become qualified to apply for a driver’s license. The judge said that if Chuck did not meet his payments on time every month, he would issue a bench warrant for his arrest.Then Chuck could work off the traffic tickets he owed in county jail (fines and fees can be deducted for every day spent in custody).

Five months into his case for partial custody in family court, Chuck lost his construction job and stopped making the payments to the city for the traffic tickets. He said he wasn’t sure if he had actually been issued a warrant, and unsuccessfully attempted to discover this. He went to court for the child custody case anyway the next month, and when his baby-mom mentioned that he was a drug dealer and unfit to get partial custody of their children, the judge immediately ran his name in the database to see if any warrants came up. They did not. As we walked out of the courthouse, Chuck said to me and to his mother:

I wanted to run [when the clerk ran his name], but it was no way I was getting out of there—it was too many cops and guards. But my shit came back clean, so I guess if they’re going to give me a warrant for the tickets, they ain’t get around to it yet.

...

 

[Victorian Gray]

Another super predator being brought to heel. No conscience, no empathy.

It's good to see someone who really understands himself.

 

[Atreus21]

Why can't we wait until all of the facts and videos are in before we start yelling at each other?

What is the rush to judgement for, exactly?

How does deciding what happened, right now, and firmly setting your position in concrete, help?

Prejudice is all the rage these days.

 

[Atreus21]

It appears that often the issue is that many of the fiscally disadvantaged class have fines or even warrants outstanding for them, usually for incredibly petty issues. It's actually a pretty logical reaction on their part as the result of a sometimes Kafkaesque legal system. Give the below a read.

VICE - How Poor Young Black Men Run from the Police

I can understand the man's position.

But running from cops or resisting arrest is going to end badly every time.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Prejudice is all the rage these days.

Black is the new orange.