BLM Baton Rouge police fatally shot man

[BeeBoop]

Second video posted. It's blurry but we know that the criminal was facing up towards the cops with his back on the ground. It also looks like he is trying to get up as his head keeps looking up.

http://theadvocate.com/news/1632627...sterling-fatal-shooting-by-baton-rouge-police

 

[Ackmed]

So, you are comparing these witnesses to witnesses from an unrelated case in a State hundreds of miles away from Louisiana.

And to counter your argument that Eye-Witnesses are notoriously wrong....sometimes LEOs are, too.

I was comparing because someone cited a witness's statements in this event. My point was that eye witnesses can be, and often are wrong. As was in the example I gave. That one false narrative set off a fire storm that didn't need to happen, all based on a lie. An eye witness statement. Claiming just because a witness said it as gospel is silly. I would propose we wait to pass judgement until facts are out.

Yes, you are correct. Cops are wrong too, situations like this are chaos and can often be distorted unintentionally. Or intentionally. Cops can and have also lied about situations like this, as have witnesses. There is another video from another angle, perhaps we'll have answers sooner than later. Hopefully people won't riot and be uncontrollable, and we get answers. Until then arguing about this or that is silly imo. If facts come out that the cops ended his life unwarranted and they were in the wrong, then I hope they receive the full punishment of the law. If it's flipped around and the cops acted appropriately then it's still sad, but their careers shouldn't be haunted by this.

 

[Jaskalas]

Second video posted. It's blurry but we know that the criminal was facing up towards the cops with his back on the ground. It also looks like he is trying to get up as his head keeps looking up.

So the command that is issued "don't move" means they kill you if you move. At all.
Given the gun in his pocket, does that seem like a proper command / response if the person on the ground attempts to move?

 

[BeeBoop]

We also know from the video that the criminal did not have handcuffs on him. We can't see his hands because it is under the car.

 

[BeeBoop]

From what I gather by looking at the video, the criminal had a perfect line of sight to shoot an officer had he got his hands on the gun. The criminal was also not cooperating as he was trying to get up. He wanted to die.

 

[BeeBoop]

1). Felon wasn't handcuffed
2). Felon had a line of sight to shoot an officer
3). Felon was trying to get up
4). Cops knew about the gun and can see his hands

Felon wanted to die and got what he wanted.

 

[CZroe]

1). Felon wasn't handcuffed

2). Felon had a line of sight to sho[o]t an officer

3). Felon was trying to get up

4). Cops knew about the gun and can[?] his hands



Felon wanted to die and got what he wanted.

Not sure I understand number 4, but he also allegedly threatened to shoot someone in the first place, which is why the cops were there, so:
5) Felon had reportedly already made threats of violence

 

[BeeBoop]

Texting on my phone, I meant to say that the cops could see his hands. Assuming he was only trying to get up and not go for the gun, that would be enough to scare the officers.

 

[umbrella39]

Agenda troll has an agenda...

 

[NAC4EV]

Apparently the store had security cameras

 

[BeeBoop]

I don't believe the store cameras will show anything different. Look at the angle and how everyone is placed. It's also dark.

 

[SheHateMe]

Yea....that's why Cameras have this thing called nightvision..

 

[TheVrolok]

The loss of life is certainly tragic, and I don't pretend to know all the details, but from the bit I've read and the two videos I've seen, I'm not sure I can condemn the officers (in this particular case).

 

[JSt0rm]

1). Felon wasn't handcuffed
2). Felon had a line of sight to shoot an officer
3). Felon was trying to get up
4). Cops knew about the gun and can see his hands

Felon wanted to die and got what he wanted.

Nice black and white world you live in.

 

[KMFJD]

RESISTING? I see 2 cops jump the guy, and throw him to the ground, both were on top of him, and restraining him. Are we to believe that at this point he would even try to go for a gun, his or theirs? Also, if I were a cop, WITH a partner, and it was reported that the suspect was armed, one or both of us would draw down on him, while keeping a short distance. If he did not respond/comply to my commands, or he reached for something, only then would I open fire. The last thing I would do is tackle an armed suspect, it puts me, and my partners life in jeopardy.
Impunity, it's a hell of a drug!

couldn't agree more

 

[BeeBoop]

He was resisting arrest. We know that because they had to tase and tackle him.

 

[JSt0rm]

He was resisting arrest. We know that because they had to tase and tackle him.

We dont know shit except you have a preconceived idea of what happened.

 

[BeeBoop]

We know a lot. There is a 911 call, store owner, and the two cameras.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

In regards to the second video, The cops thinking there was no video, but perhaps audio, in an effort to cover their ass, they shouted for the suspect, who was already on the ground, and now pumped full of lead to, -----
"GET ON THE GROUND!" LOL.

 

[BeeBoop]

Lol at Everyone defending a criminal with an illegal gun.

 

[JSt0rm]

Lol at Everyone defending a criminal with an illegal gun.

lol at the fill in the blanks authoritarian.

 

[Victorian Gray]

We know a lot. There is a 911 call, store owner, and the two cameras.

This store owner?

"Authorities claim Sterling was armed, but Muflahi told NBC News on Wednesday that as far as he knew, Sterling never brandished a gun or threatened the officers in any way.

"They shot him three times already, then they shot him another three times," Muflahi said.

"I believe he was murdered," Muflahi said."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...er-says-his-video-shows-cops-murdered-n604841

 

[Jaskalas]

"I believe he was murdered," Muflahi said."

Grounds for a proper investigation, yes.
The officers made two determinations that I'd call into question.

• Tackling the man
• Don't move ultimatum / shots fired.

Where those escalations following protocol? Is that accepted use of force and does the public want such actions to continue to be used in similar circumstances?

Also... if they had a hold on him on the ground... why did they drop that hold in order to pull their guns? Why not continue to control / restrain the suspect? I wonder if they needed to fear and shoot if they simply did not release him to go for their weapons.

Speculation...

While holding him on the ground, did they see his right hand in the pocket with the gun?
If such a claim is made, can anyone possibly refute that justification for shooting?

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[SOFTengCOMPelec]

Source:

Officer 1: “He’s got a gun! Gun!”

Officer 2: “If you f**king move, I swear to god.”

Officer 1: “He’s going for the gun!”

[At least two shots are heard]

Officer: “Shit!”

Officer: “Get on the ground!”

[Three shots]

Officer to radio: “[Inaudible] shots fired, shots fired.”

Officer: “F**k!”

[Officer removes gun from pocket]

If the above account (based on the second video, via source above), turns out to be correct.

Then since the police had just warning him NOT to move and they/he had seen the gun. Once the other policeman had said "He's going for the gun", the sudden shooting by the police was inevitable.

tl;dr
If the Police are trying to arrest you, and pointing gun(s) at you, while you have been resisting arrest and know that you threatened someone with a gun, earlier.

DON'T reach for your gun . . .

 

[Wuzup101]

The problem with the videos is you can't see what is going on beyond the officers / car bumper. Because of the way he fell, and the position of the car's bumper, it would be difficult for the officers to restrain his right hand/arm and stop him from drawing from his pocket. They couldn't simply lay on the arm or distance his hand from his body. The officer that is positioned at the top of his body is in a poor position to stop him from drawing. The officer that is positioned on his lower body is trying to control his right arm.

Bottom line - it's probably not a good idea to struggle with cops regardless of if you think you are guilty or not. This could have gone down a completely different way. Definitely not a good idea to struggle with cops 10 minutes after you threatened someone with a gun in the same location. Probably not a great idea to go for your pocket either.

Black or white... perp was armed and acted like a dumbass... cops did what I would have expected them to do in this situation.