BLM Dallas protest rally shooting

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm fed up and I'm tired. So, I will speak freely. They can use the "R" word on me if they want. A guy told me I had a low IQ yesterday. I just laugh and keep it moving.

I will apologize for that. Sorry.

 

[Joepublic2]

Gotta love the mainstream media spin on this:

Somebody gets punched at a trump rally: VIOLENT RACIST RETHUGLICANS

Half a dozen people get murdered and pipebombs are planted at a BLM protest: PEACEFUL PROTEST, VERY PEACEFUL, DID WE MENTION IT'S PEACEFUL?

 

[Knowing]

I'm unaware of any tranquilizer gas that works reliably and instantly. Didn't Russia try something like that with their theater terrorists?

If I recall correctly, the police in California used tear gas "burners" on Christopher Dorner when he was surrounded in the wood cabin.

 

[Artdeco]

I know it would have been asking a lot of all the officers involved, and that there were practical, political and social considerations that came to bear, but I would have liked to see them at least try to take this perp alive, so that he could have been interrogated.

You glean a lot less intelligence from a corpse.

Really?

How the hell do you take down a cornered murderer with a rifle that wants to die, proclaiming he wants to shoot more white people, and more white cops, sir? Tell you what, you go first.

Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

another person willing to take away freedoms form all Americans, because of the actions of criminals.

This is grade school logic.

Not surprising coming from the left.

I know right? Simple grade school logic. My primary concern, and this is stuff that keeps me up at night, is that our current publicly-available selection of firearms is not enough to mount a winning resistance against a modern tyrannical government. America is currently the world's leading military power, so if this government goes tyrannical we need armaments capable of giving this top power a run for its money.

Thus, we need to ensure that law abiding Americans can freely get their hands on heavier firepower. Fully automatic machine guns and rocket launchers that can take down drones and aircraft at a bare minimum.

 

[norseamd]

I'm unaware of any tranquilizer gas that works reliably and instantly. Didn't Russia try something like that with their theater terrorists?

Yes, and I was just looking at that a second ago. The huge difference there was that there were hundreds of hostages that were also hit with the gas, they did not use antidotes on those hostages, and they apparently used a very powerful chemical.

It might not matter how long the gas would take to knock out the shooter, because his only option would be to move, which would have a very high possibility of him falling out of cover, and being in open sights of the Dallas PD, especially snipers. Plus, even if he does move, the UGV can just keep following him.

 

[blankslate]

Sniper / terror suspect....posted by DPD twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/DallasPD?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Looks like he is carrying AR15.

Awww shiiit....


Now the NRA and fans of open carrying the AR-15 might have reason to worry.

Remember it was when the Black Panthers said "Hey, white folks can open carry in California, but nothing says we can't..." and started walking around exercising their open carry rights that the republican Demi-God Saint Ronnie signed a law banning open carry in California.


As for this mass shooting. It almost a case of blowback, but instead of covert actions having unintended consequences...
It looks like the apparent higher standards for prosecution when a LEO could be brought up on charges for killing a citizen than the standard applied when a citizen can be brought up on charges for killing another might be a contributing factor



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[Joepublic2]

I know right? Simple grade school logic. My primary concern, and this is stuff that keeps me up at night, is that our currently available arsenal of firearms is not enough to mount a winning resistance against a modern tyrannical government. America is currently the world's leading military power, so if this government goes tyrannical we need armaments capable of giving this top power a run for its money.

Thus, we need to ensure that law abiding Americans can freely get their hands on heavier firepower. Fully automatic machine guns and rocket launchers that can take down drones and aircraft at a bare minimum.

Drones are actually very easy to take down/disable with directed EMP weapons (probably not military drones though, they probably have hardened electronics) or just simple wide spectrum RF jamming.

 

[LegendKiller]

Awww shiiit....


Now the NRA and fans of open carrying the AR-15 might have reason to worry.

Remember it was when the Black Panthers said "Hey, white folks can open carry in California, but nothing says we can't..." and started walking around exercising their open carry rights that the republican Demi-God Saint Ronnie signed a law banning open carry in California.


As for the shooting. It almost a case of blowback, but instead of covert actions having unintended consequences... this looks like a result of higher standards for prosecution when a LEO could be brought up on charges for killing a citizen than the standard applied when a citizen can be brought up on charges for killing another.



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Except that guy was cleared. Care to retract?

 

[Strk]

Gotta love the mainstream media spin on this:

Somebody gets punched at a trump rally: VIOLENT RACIST RETHUGLICANS

Half a dozen people get murdered and pipebombs are planted at a BLM protest: PEACEFUL PROTEST, VERY PEACEFUL, DID WE MENTION IT'S PEACEFUL?

You really don't see the difference, do you?

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Drones are actually very easy to take down/disable with directed EMP weapons (probably not military drones though, they probably have hardened electronics) or just simple wide spectrum RF jamming.

Good. Add directed EMP weapons to the list of things that we MUST make available to all law-abiding US citizens.

 

[SP33Demon]

Per the DOJ, racism\hate crime laws don't apply to minorities. This was clearly a case of disenfranchisement and anger at white privilege.

Exactly, per the DoJ's National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) - 80% or more [reported and non-reported] crimes between blacks and whites = a black was the perp according to the victim. How do we explain that 80% of the time or more a black commits a crime against a white out of all white/black crime, year after year from a random national survey with the usual sampling error built in? Let alone run by the DOJ and Bureau of Justice Statistics?

DOJ + FBI statistics tell a story that MSM isn't willing to share because... reasons.

 

[Joepublic2]

You really don't see the difference, do you?

Go ahead and wipe the drool off your chin and attempt to justify the double standard.

 

[SheHateMe]

No...but we're getting there in a hurry. May I ask you about how old you were during the mid-60s?

I was born in 1990. But don't fret. I have a Grandma whose mother worked as a maid for white folks down in Alabama in the 1930s. My great grandmother and my great great grandmother were both slaves. My grandma also works as a maid when she was younger. She lived through segregation, lynchings, sit-ins, and all that fun stuff.

And both my parents grew up in the 60s. My grandmother on my mom's side raised 12 kids in the 60s. And yes....they all had the same father.

So, trust me, I've been clued in, baby. It's been going on for a while. Only difference is the laws changed so people couldn't do as much dirt out in the open anymore.

 

[WelshBloke]

Really?

How the hell do you take down a cornered murderer with a rifle that wants to die, proclaiming he wants to shoot more white people, and more white cops, sir? Tell you what, you go first.

Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest.

Well if he's cornered you have plenty of time to wait him out and get prepared.

Or you can toss a few flash bangs in.
Or some cs canisters.

 

[Knowing]

I know right? Simple grade school logic. My primary concern, and this is stuff that keeps me up at night, is that our currently available arsenal of firearms is not enough to mount a winning resistance against a modern tyrannical government. America is currently the world's leading military power, so if this government goes tyrannical we need armaments capable of giving this top power a run for its money.

Thus, we need to ensure that law abiding Americans can freely get their hands on heavier firepower. Fully automatic machine guns and rocket launchers that can take down drones and aircraft at a bare minimum.

Sheep herders with decades old soviet era export weapons have been opposing the greatest military force the world has ever known in a country the size of Indiana for more than a decade. Using military materiel (Armor, drones, etc) on citizens in earnest will only cause any uprising to snowball. In this very thread we're discussing how two men with rifles shut down a major city for an entire night.

I'm not arguing that fully automatic weapons or even rocket launchers should not be available but I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not being entirely honest here.

 

[norseamd]

I know right? Simple grade school logic. My primary concern, and this is stuff that keeps me up at night, is that our currently available arsenal of firearms is not enough to mount a winning resistance against a modern tyrannical government. America is currently the world's leading military power, so if this government goes tyrannical we need armaments capable of giving this top power a run for its money.

Thus, we need to ensure that law abiding Americans can freely get their hands on heavier firepower. Fully automatic machine guns and rocket launchers that can take down drones and aircraft at a bare minimum.

There are plenty of automatic firearms around, plus many semi-automatic firearms can be converted to fully automatic fire with just a few new parts.

Good luck getting your hands on ATGMs and MANPADS in any appreciable number. Although materials that can be used to make IEDs are basically everywhere in not just America, but the whole world. Plus drones are now available in huge numbers, and they can be outfitted with a large variety of sensors and small explosives. You could even put a few different types of small firearms on them, but I would not suggest it, as the recoil will probably make shooting them accurately all but impossible.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Except that guy was cleared. Care to retract?

LK I believe the point is he was immediately a suspect & could have been shot. Also he went to the police to be questioned and I believe people are threatening to kill him which may not be feasible but still threats.

 

[blankslate]

Except that guy was cleared. Care to retract?

I retract that guy being the killer.

I don't retract that Saint Ronnie banned open carry in CA once the Black Panthers started doing it.
http://theweek.com/articles/582926/how-ronald-reagan-learned-love-gun-control

Back in 1967, says Jacob Sullum at Reason, "the NRA supported the Mulford Act, which banned open carrying of loaded firearms in California. The law, a response to the Black Panthers' conspicuous exercise of the right to armed self-defense, also was supported by Gov. Ronald Reagan." As the bill's conservative sponsor, Don Mulford (R), argued in 1989, "openly carrying a gun is an 'act of violence or near violence,'" Sullum noted. "Apparently Reagan and the NRA agreed." The Mulford Act is still on the books in California, America's most populous state.

(kinda funny how open carry is ok since most people don't remember that a group like the black panthers used to do it. Wonder what would happen if hypothetically BLM groups started practicing open carry in places that open carry is legal?)


I also still believe that a form of blowback could be contributing factor in this mass shooting.


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[norseamd]

Sheep herders with decades old soviet era export weapons have been opposing the greatest military force the world has ever known in a country the size of Indiana for more than a decade. Using military materiel (Armor, drones, etc) on citizens in earnest will only cause any uprising to snowball. In this very thread we're discussing how two men with rifles shut down a major city for an entire night. I'm not arguing that fully automatic weapons or even rocket launchers should not be available but I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not being entirely honest here.

That is in a very rural and rugged terrain however, and the locals know their country like the back of their hand. Obviously the same applies for many areas of America, but the Taliban and Al-Qaeda have the benefit of being able to hide among civilians that the American government is obviously not going to kill until they can verify that they are enemy combatants. If the American government is fighting a large scale oppressive war against the majority of the American populace, any assumptions that the American government will still follow the Geneva Conventions might have to go out the window, and thus they can kill pretty much any one they can spot with thermals and satellites, with the only place to hide far below the ground.

 

[JSt0rm]

I wonder how that pussy ass cop feels now? Shooting and killing a innocent and getting 5 other cops killed because of his diapers.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

There are plenty of automatic firearms around, plus many semi-automatic firearms can be converted to fully automatic fire with just a few new parts.

Good luck getting your hands on ATGMs and MANPADS in any appreciable number. Although materials that can be used to make IEDs are basically everywhere in not just America, but the whole world. Plus drones are now available in huge numbers, and they can be outfitted with a large variety of sensors and small explosives. You could even put a few different types of small firearms on them, but I would not suggest it, as the recoil will probably make shooting them accurately all but impossible.

I don't see many gun stores selling full automatic firearms around my neighborhood, do you? This is a travesty.

So is the lack of availability of ATGMs and MANPADs. We cannot let the 2nd amendment continue to degrade. It is literally our last bastion. Every American needs to defend the 2nd amendment because without it all other freedoms are fake.

We must get our hands on heavier weaponry. Our country is becoming more and more divided and we true patriots must be prepared to defend the Constitution.

 

[pauldun170]

Except that guy was cleared. Care to retract?

Just to add in support...

The gun wasn't loaded.
As soon as the shots were fired, he handed the unloaded gun to a police officer. This is on video.
Afterwords, he turned himself in after he was listed as a suspect.
The police interrogators asked him if he likes killing cops and that they have video of him shooting at officers (Interrogation shenannigans )
He was cleared and released.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Awww shiiit....


Now the NRA and fans of open carrying the AR-15 might have reason to worry.

Remember it was when the Black Panthers said "Hey, white folks can open carry in California, but nothing says we can't..." and started walking around exercising their open carry rights that the republican Demi-God Saint Ronnie signed a law banning open carry in California.

It's not uncommon to see people of all races open carrying in Texas but don't let that stop you from posting stupid crap.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

It's not uncommon to see people of all races open carrying in Texas but don't let that stop you from posting stupid crap.

Bet it's going to be more uncommon now.