BLM Dallas protest rally shooting

[PokerGuy]

Woke up to see the news this morning. What a horrible mess.

This is going to make things a lot worse. Who can blame cops for being even MORE itchy and more likely to shoot first and ask questions later based on what happened here... which will result in more deaths, which will result in more anger/resentment etc. And who can blame citizens for feeling uneasy with police officers when they are all too quick to resort to weapons etc It's a recipe for a downward spiral.

The one group that is absolutely to be blamed to a significant extent for this is all the racists and race baiters that have pushed this big race-driven narrative, fueling the fire with lies and misinformation rather than objectively looking at facts. Thanks to them this type of event was inevitable at some point.

 

[senseamp]

glad the POS is dead.

You mean he wasn't put on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation?

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Sheep herders with decades old soviet era export weapons have been opposing the greatest military force the world has ever known in a country the size of Indiana for more than a decade. Using military materiel (Armor, drones, etc) on citizens in earnest will only cause any uprising to snowball. In this very thread we're discussing how two men with rifles shut down a major city for an entire night.

I'm not arguing that fully automatic weapons or even rocket launchers should not be available but I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not being entirely honest here.

Yeah, they're opposing, but do you see them *winning*? Do you see them driving us out and setting up their own stable government? Is the point of battling a tyrannical government to simply oppose it forever? NO! You've gotta win! Otherwise what's the goddamn point?

And to win, you've gotta be prepped to win. And that means citizens have to get their hands on heavier weaponry.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Don't we have bomb diffuse drones?

Why would you use a bomb to diffuse a bomb in a crowded urban area..?

That's how small bombs or unidentified packages are 'defused', they blow them up after clearing the area. You don't send in people to defuse by cutting wires like they do in the movies.

 

[blankslate]

It's not uncommon to see people of all races open carrying in Texas but don't let that stop you from posting stupid crap.

Wait til BLM starts marching in Texas with rifles and handguns out in the open... I bet you'd favor that since open carry should be exercised by all citizens.

When the Black Panthers were exercising open carry in CA Saint-Reagan didn't mind banning the practice
http://theweek.com/articles/582926/how-ronald-reagan-learned-love-gun-control

Back in 1967, says Jacob Sullum at Reason, "the NRA supported the Mulford Act, which banned open carrying of loaded firearms in California. The law, a response to the Black Panthers' conspicuous exercise of the right to armed self-defense, also was supported by Gov. Ronald Reagan." As the bill's conservative sponsor, Don Mulford (R), argued in 1989, "openly carrying a gun is an 'act of violence or near violence,'" Sullum noted. "Apparently Reagan and the NRA agreed." The Mulford Act is still on the books in California, America's most populous state.

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[Knowing]

Yeah, they're opposing, but do you see them *winning*? Do you see them driving us out and setting up their own stable government? Is the point of battling a tyrannical government to simply oppose it forever? NO! You've gotta win! Otherwise what's the goddamn point?

And to win, you've gotta be prepped to win. And that means citizens have to get their hands on heavier weaponry.

If the government is so threatened that tanks are rolling down MLK Blvd then the uprising has already won. There are too many square miles in the US for even all of our military to cover (assuming none of them defect) which means that law enforcement will be tapped to maintain any martial law. Last night demonstrates exactly how effective that can be.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not arguing that fully automatic weapons or even rocket launchers should not be available but I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not being entirely honest here.

You should be making that argument along with every other sane American.

 

[JSt0rm]

Woke up to see the news this morning. What a horrible mess.

This is going to make things a lot worse. Who can blame cops for being even MORE itchy and more likely to shoot first and ask questions later based on what happened here... which will result in more deaths, which will result in more anger/resentment etc. And who can blame citizens for feeling uneasy with police officers when they are all too quick to resort to weapons etc It's a recipe for a downward spiral.

The one group that is absolutely to be blamed to a significant extent for this is all the racists and race baiters that have pushed this big race-driven narrative, fueling the fire with lies and misinformation rather than objectively looking at facts. Thanks to them this type of event was inevitable at some point.

Because thats the fucking job? Dont do the fucking job if you are gonna poop yourself everytime you see a black person.

 

[Knowing]

You should be making that argument along with every other sane American.

When was the last time an automatic weapon or rocket launcher was used in the commission of a crime in the United States?

I'm simply not scared of things that never happen.

 

[JSt0rm]

When was the last time an automatic weapon or rocket launcher was used in the commission of a crime in the United States?

I'm simply not scared of things that never happen.

Those things are illegal. Imagine what 80 years of illegal guns would do to our violence levels.

 

[norseamd]

That's how small bombs or unidentified packages are 'defused', they blow them up after clearing the area. You don't send in people to defuse by cutting wires like they do in the movies.

This. Even in a documentary from the late 2000s of the USMC being in Afghanistan, when they had one of their EOD specialists deal with a bomb instead of a UGV, all he did was crawl up to the bomb, throw some explosive on it, and run away.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

If the government is so threatened that tanks are rolling down MLK Blvd then the uprising has already won. There are too many square miles in the US for even all of our military to cover (assuming none of them defect) which means that law enforcement will be tapped to maintain any martial law. Last night demonstrates exactly how effective that can be.

Last night demonstrates that a single man with a rifle will get wiped out in no time by a single city's security forces.

If tanks are rolling down the street that means the uprising's in for a serious fight - ever heard of Tiananmen Square? How did that go for the uprising?

And how many military bases and military assets does the federal government have at its disposal globally to call back in the event of an uprising?

I can't believe you're calling for limitations to the second amendment.

Unlike all previous wars, this one would be existential.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Wait til BLM starts marching in Texas with rifles and handguns out in the open... I bet you'd favor that since open carry should be exercised by all citizens.

When the Black Panthers were exercising open carry in CA Saint-Reagan didn't mind banning the practice
http://theweek.com/articles/582926/how-ronald-reagan-learned-love-gun-control



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There is a difference between open carry and brandishing.

 

[norseamd]

Last night demonstrates that a single man with a rifle will get wiped out in no time by a single city's security forces.

If tanks are rolling down the street that means the uprising's in for a serious fight - ever heard of Tiananmen Square? How did that go for the uprising?

And how many military bases and military assets does the federal government have at its disposal globally to call back in the event of an uprising?

I can't believe you're calling for limitations to the second amendment.

Unlike all previous wars, this one would be existential.

It is a little more complicated than that.

Israel has not been able to wipe out Hamas from the Gaza Bank, and war is only going to keep becoming more and more urban and subterranean.

Semi-automatic rifles with scopes and large-capacity magazines are not that much less powerful than fully automatic assault rifles, and a large variety of homemade explosives can be made quite easily. And if you watch much content on warfare, especially about World War 2, you know that urban areas getting bombarded often only makes them more formidable, especially with snipers and mines on every street, and around every corner.

 

[JSt0rm]

Last night demonstrates that a single man with a rifle will get wiped out in no time by a single city's security forces.

If tanks are rolling down the street that means the uprising's in for a serious fight - ever heard of Tiananmen Square? How did that go for the uprising?

And how many military bases and military assets does the federal government have at its disposal globally to call back in the event of an uprising?

I can't believe you're calling for limitations to the second amendment.

Unlike all previous wars, this one would be existential.

Last night demonstrates that a single man with a rifle will wipe out 5 cops in no time.

 

[Atreus21]

Woke up to see the news this morning. What a horrible mess.

This is going to make things a lot worse. Who can blame cops for being even MORE itchy and more likely to shoot first and ask questions later based on what happened here... which will result in more deaths, which will result in more anger/resentment etc. And who can blame citizens for feeling uneasy with police officers when they are all too quick to resort to weapons etc It's a recipe for a downward spiral.

The one group that is absolutely to be blamed to a significant extent for this is all the racists and race baiters that have pushed this big race-driven narrative, fueling the fire with lies and misinformation rather than objectively looking at facts. Thanks to them this type of event was inevitable at some point.

Fuckin' A. Goddamned disaster.

 

[Knowing]

Last night demonstrates that a single man with a rifle will get wiped out in no time by a single city's security forces.

If tanks are rolling down the street that means the uprising's in for a serious fight - ever heard of Tiananmen Square? How did that go for the uprising?

And how many military bases and military assets does the federal government have at its disposal globally to call back in the event of an uprising?

I can't believe you're calling for limitations to the second amendment.

Unlike all previous wars, this one would be existential.

I haven't advocated a single limit on the 2a. I've said that your rhetoric is unhelpful and unnecessary at the current juncture.

 

[JSt0rm]

kinda changes the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is good guys with a gun argument.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Last night demonstrates that a single man with a rifle will wipe out 5 cops in no time.

And then promptly die.

 

[Atreus21]

kinda changes the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is good guys with a gun argument.

Kinda doesn't.

Good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. Good guys without guns are at a severe disadvantage against bad guys with guns.

That doesn't mean good guys with guns always stop bad guys with guns.

 

[JSt0rm]

And then promptly die.

I dont think he gave a fuck.

 

[SP33Demon]

Sheep herders with decades old soviet era export weapons have been opposing the greatest military force the world has ever known in a country the size of Indiana for more than a decade. Using military materiel (Armor, drones, etc) on citizens in earnest will only cause any uprising to snowball. In this very thread we're discussing how two men with rifles shut down a major city for an entire night.

I'm not arguing that fully automatic weapons or even rocket launchers should not be available but I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not being entirely honest here.

Yup, if everyone armed in any city/town all got together they would easily overwhelm any police force until the National Guard was called in. Done as a country? Better draft more National Guard.

Also, my 3-1 odds played out that the perp was capped. Except not only was he capped, he was capped.by.a.robot! How many people can say they were killed by a (non-flying drone) robot in this country or even the world?

 

[JSt0rm]

Kinda doesn't.

Good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. Good guys without guns are at a severe disadvantage against bad guys with guns.

That doesn't mean good guys with guns always stop bad guys with guns.

Nationalize the police. Ban all guns except hunting weapons based on significant background checks. Once those are in place 80 years from now we will have peace. It will be a long term solution. One our future generations will thank us for doing.

 

[blankslate]

There is a difference between open carry and brandishing.

Militias threatened the Feds in Oregon, which iirc is also an open carry state.... oddly enough no motion to end open carry has been introduced there.

In Nevada during an earlier standoff a person was photographed pointing a rifle with a 20 or 30 round magazine allegedly at Federal agents. Again afaik no bill has yet been introduced to outlaw open carry there either.


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[Atreus21]

Nationalize the police. Ban all guns except hunting weapons based on significant background checks. Once those are in place 80 years from now we will have peace. It will be a long term solution. One our future generations will thank us for doing.

Sure. No problem that more government and less constitution can't fix.