BLM Dallas protest rally shooting

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fuzzybabybunny

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I haven't advocated a single limit on the 2a. I've said that your rhetoric is unhelpful and unnecessary at the current juncture.
Good then that you agree that the second amendment should open all law abiding citizens to all weapons without limitation. I wouldn't be opposed to the American public securing a few nuclear devices either since that would be checkmate for any potential tyrannical government. As we've seen throughout history simply the possession of such a device can avoid much unneeded bloodshed.
 

Atreus21

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ideology before rationality.

We can look at other countries to see how things are done correctly. Its not a shot in the dark.

It's not rationality. It's just you calling your ideology rationality.

Nationalizing the police force isn't going to magically solve this.
 
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I was born in 1990. But don't fret. I have a Grandma whose mother worked as a maid for white folks down in Alabama in the 1930s. My great grandmother and my great great grandmother were both slaves. My grandma also works as a maid when she was younger. She lived through segregation, lynchings, sit-ins, and all that fun stuff.

And both my parents grew up in the 60s. My grandmother on my mom's side raised 12 kids in the 60s. And yes....they all had the same father.

So, trust me, I've been clued in, baby. It's been going on for a while. Only difference is the laws changed so people couldn't do as much dirt out in the open anymore.
And my ancestors were passionate abolitionists involved with Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry. I thought I'd mention this since you seem to be interested in family history. I'd could also go into all the hardships that my family and I've personally experienced as well, but I'm sure that it would pale in comparison to yours...as if this were some kind of contest. I wish I could help you in some way, but you appear to be in a place of walls that you apparently treasure and I can't get to.
 
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flexy

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With respect, I believe the core of norsemd's argument is attempting any available non-lethal means before destructive lethal means are employed.

In how far are "non-lethal means" important when you deal with a shooter where you know he already killed 5?

I am no expert by any means, but the main goal sure was to "take out" that guy, no matter how, and in the fastest and most effective way possible. Killing him with a bomb at first sounded "odd" to me too, but at second glance not so much.
 

norseamd

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In how far are "non-lethal means" important when you deal with a shooter where you know he already killed 5?

I am no expert by any means, but the main goal sure was to "take out" that guy, no matter how, and in the fastest and most effective way possible. Killing him with a bomb at first sounded "odd" to me too, but at second glance not so much.

I honestly dont care that they capped his ass, but like Perknose said, the intelligence could be valuable, plus he would have to spend years in prison for this, with all that would bring, instead of just getting to die painlessly.
 

SheHateMe

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And my ancestors were passionate abolitionists involved with Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry. I thought I'd mention this since you seem to be interested in family history. I'd could also go into all the hardships that my family and I've personally experienced as well, but I'm sure that it would pale in comparison to yours...as if this were some kind of contest. I wish I could help you in some way, but you appear to be in a place that you apparently treasure and I can't get to.

Man..... I am not a freaking charity case and I don't need you to "help" me. How freaking condescending is that? :\

I wasn't trying to engage in a history contest with you. You asked a question about what era I grew up in and I was just letting you know that while I didn't grow up during the worst of this country, I had/still have people in my life who did. I just know my family history pretty well. That's all.

I wasn't saying anything about your family.
 

JSt0rm

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It's not rationality. It's just you calling your ideology rationality.

Nationalizing the police force isn't going to magically solve this.


It would be a start. Whats your solution to stopping this? Black people should act white so cops are more at ease? lol. fucking lol.
 

Ackmed

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This. Even in a documentary from the late 2000s of the USMC being in Afghanistan, when they had one of their EOD specialists deal with a bomb instead of a UGV, all he did was crawl up to the bomb, throw some explosive on it, and run away.

It's actually not taught that way in the Marine Corps from Afghanistan depending on the IED. Who knows what kind this *may* have been. Without knowledge you can't just toss another charge on it. You find the wires, isolate (cut them) and isolate (wrap bare wire with tape). The diddy is obviously 'isolate and isolate'. Then blow in place or pull up (from a distance) to check for booby traps, then blow in place. I'd say I know more about this than probably anyone who posts here, I'm not just talking out of my ass.

And to claim they should have used cs, flash's, gas or anything else without knowing the facts is just idiotic. Nobody here knows the layout of where he was. And I don't think anyone is qualified to try and second guess them. It's like listening to some ignorant news person being wrong about weapons. Like this morning, some "expert" on Fox News said only difference between an assault weapon and hunting rifle is a scope. Just stop by talking about shit you have no idea about.
 

WelshBloke

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I am no expert by any means, but the main goal sure was to "take out" that guy, no matter how, and in the fastest and most effective way possible.

Why? If he was contained then what's the rush?

Ultimately I doubt that he had much useful information but theres a certain mindset of "kill him as dead and as quickly as possible" that is probably something that the police need to move away from.
 
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Man..... I am not a freaking charity case and I don't need you to "help" me. How freaking condescending is that? :\
Sorry...I can see that I was being incredibly condescending although I didn't intend to do so. So I'll just disagree with you on your point that were currently experiencing race wars and leave it at that.
 

JSt0rm

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Man..... I am not a freaking charity case and I don't need you to "help" me. How freaking condescending is that? :\

I wasn't trying to engage in a history contest with you. You asked a question about what era I grew up in and I was just letting you know that while I didn't grow up during the worst of this country, I had/still have people in my life who did. I just know my family history pretty well. That's all.

I wasn't saying anything about your family.


Right wingers love being the victim. Its built into the dna of the christian religion.
 

SP33Demon

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<snip>Whats your solution to stopping this? Black people should act white so cops are more at ease?<snip>

Segregated police forces in accordance to that region's predominant ethnicity. Studies show that people feel more at ease with people more like themselves, so bring in all black police forces for majority black areas. Don't legislate it (dats racist!), simply enforce it as it's already happening in many places (e.g. Baltimore, DC, St.L, Chicago).

Additionally, add more plain clothes officers to protests like BLM and make sure they're equipped (body armor, high capacity mag handguns) to act if shit hits the fan.

BLM just got fucked by Micah X Johnson, all of their rallies will now be heavily watched and regulated. Good luck with those protests now after one of your crazies just committed the worst police killing since 9/11.
 

norseamd

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Well, in his crusade of shooting white people, he happened to shoot and kill a Hispanic cop. Maybe he should have learned that you can not know something based off the color of their skin?
 

JSt0rm

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Not making sweeping rollbacks to civil liberties for one.



What does "acting white" mean to you?

Not making sweeping rollbacks for one? Thats like saying "first thing i would do is nothing"

Glad to see you have some ideas bouncing around that southern brain. oh.
 

SP33Demon

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It's actually not taught that way in the Marine Corps from Afghanistan depending on the IED. Who knows what kind this *may* have been. Without knowledge you can't just toss another charge on it. You find the wires, isolate (cut them) and isolate (wrap bare wire with tape). The diddy is obviously 'isolate and isolate'. Then blow in place or pull up (from a distance) to check for booby traps, then blow in place. I'd say I know more about this than probably anyone who posts here, I'm not just talking out of my ass.

And to claim they should have used cs, flash's, gas or anything else without knowing the facts is just idiotic. Nobody here knows the layout of where he was. And I don't think anyone is qualified to try and second guess them. It's like listening to some ignorant news person being wrong about weapons. Like this morning, some "expert" on Fox News said only difference between an assault weapon and hunting rifle is a scope. Just stop by talking about shit you have no idea about.

Not to mention the killer was an Army veteran. Take no chances and neutralize the threat, especially a threat who is claiming he can and wants to kill more cops. Ironically, this dipshit actually shot a bunch of his own race (black cop, bystander) at the rally yet claimed to be for BLM. Quite the hero. Another pic:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/07/03/gunman dallas.jpg
 

Atreus21

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Maybe he should have learned that you can not know something based off the color of their skin?

Whether you can or not, that's all anyone does anymore. That's what affirmative action is. That's why shootings involving police generally only make the news when the victim is black and the cop(s) white or at least non-black.

The very first thing we do it seems is prejudge people based on skin color.
 
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