BLM Dallas protest rally shooting

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JSt0rm

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Why do you feel so connected to your race? I'm asking this in sincerity.

It seems like identifying ourselves with some group, whether it's our race or religion, seems to be very important in this world. We need to find out the real reasons.

Often times, our identifying ourselves with our particular cause overtakes everything logical and sensible and turns us into such irrational beings.

these comments aren't directed at you but can you please answer the question if you don't mind. Thanks.


For some people all they have is their race. It gives them a sense of worth to a worthless life.
 
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0roo0roo

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I haven't seen anyone mention this so I'll post it.
Despite all the BS about how "evolved" we humans have become due to education, technology, fancy gadgets, better table manners, etc. we remain as tribal as ever - if not more.

When the attack happened in Orlando, the gay community was sad because gays died. Not because people died, but gays died.

When black people get killed or die, the black community gets sad because blacks died. Not because people died, but blacks died.

I could go on and on but this tribal mentality is like a disease that has divided us even more than we already were. We don't see people anymore - we see customers, clients, blacks, whites, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, browns, Jews, etc. We then box ourselves into little corners - such as race or sexuality. Gays support their fellow gay people and blacks support their fellow blacks. On and on and on.

I have not seen anyone talk about this sick, diseased mentality. Instead, we're wasting our time with BS such as better police training, better gay community relations, better this or better that. Sure, this might help a little but the root problem remains. Unless we see each other as humans FIRST, none of this matters.

It hasn't been ignored, it has simply been denied.
http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/repor...sault-cases-reported-swedish-music-festivals/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ompvrGmtT0E

It would be one thing is they applied it universally, attacking the tribalism of the migrants, muslims, but its very selective, only applied to themselves, western cultures, while excusing and enabling tribalism of others. The results are predictable to see.

Human nature cannot be denied as it is with the left right now. It has to be understood and taken account for, but you cannot fully transcend human nature. You treat your own children better than you treat others children. In capitalist systems people work for their own self interests and on the whole this ends up benefiting everyone. Systems which deny human nature to push for a collective utopian vision like communism end up failing because when you demand everyone care and work for everyone, they end up caring and working for no one.
 

norseamd

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It hasn't been ignored, it has simply been denied.
http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/repor...sault-cases-reported-swedish-music-festivals/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ompvrGmtT0E

It would be one thing is they applied it universally, attacking the tribalism of the migrants, muslims, but its very selective, only applied to themselves, western cultures, while excusing and enabling tribalism of others. The results are predictable to see.

Human nature cannot be denied as it is with the left right now. It has to be understood and taken account for, but you cannot fully transcend human nature. You treat your own children better than you treat others children. In capitalist systems people work for their own self interests and on the whole this ends up benefiting everyone. Systems which deny human nature to push for a collective utopian vision like communism end up failing because when you demand everyone care and work for everyone, they end up caring and working for no one.

Bullshit, relatively, in concern to your argument and the subject it concerns, you have 2 tribes of white people, one that only sees white people as human, and everyone else as evil, inferior, dirty animals, and the other tribe who sees white people, either overall or with a terrible history, as evil, degenerate scum, and everyone as being holy, denigrated, angels that can do no wrong. Not every white person is in those 2 tribes, and does not mean that there are not more tribes besides those 2 mentioned.

In capitalist systems people work for their own self interests and on the whole this ends up benefiting everyone.

If this is really your belief than you are one of the deniers yourself.
 
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Sulaco

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does he look like a man who would run towards danger?

Are you seriously judging someone's potential "bravery" based on their physical appearance?

Are you 12? Because that's some serious middle school level critical thinking there.
Oh wait, whoops! Forgot who I was responding to!
 

JSt0rm

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Are you seriously judging someone's potential "bravery" based on their physical appearance?

Are you 12? Because that's some serious middle school level critical thinking there.
Oh wait, whoops! Forgot who I was responding to!

oh are you saying I shouldnt judge this white man based on his appearance?

How does it make you feel that I did?

 

Perknose

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Maybe not nationalized, but probably needs to be pulled to a level or two higher than it is. I think Subsidiarity issues come into play.

Lol, learned a new word. I consider that a good day. I thought you'd simply misspelled "subsidiary."

I live and St. Louis County and we have 90 or municipalities and 60 or so police departments, plus a St. Louis County Police force. And in my experience there is a great difference in quality.

Over my time as a P.I., I interfaced with a ton of small departments. The differences were profound. The fish rots from the head. If you had a cowboy as Chief, you tended to have an arrogant, boundary-crossing force. If you had a more "modern" Chief, the general tone was WAY more professional.

These are generalizations, cops are individuals just like you and me. I've know a TON of amazingly level-headed folks serving as LEO's, maybe especially in the smaller jurisdictions. But the difference in overall departmental approach due to who was in charge was hard to miss.
 

Sulaco

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oh are you saying I shouldnt judge this white man based on his appearance?

How does it make you feel that I did?


Who specifically has brought up appearance? Who specifically brought up race? Besides you, of course.

Had they, I , and most rational, well-adjusted people would dismiss them as racists or bigots. So you've proven nothing, other than shining the spotlight on your own inanity.
 

Sunburn74

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LOL, white cops shooting black guys for having guns in their pockets, while white man actually puts hand on gun and cops tells him to calm down.


This to me is absolutely insane. Absolutely. This is the very double standard that people are so incredibly upset about captured in one image.
 

JSt0rm

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Who specifically has brought up appearance? Who specifically brought up race? Besides you, of course.

Had they, I , and most rational, well-adjusted people would dismiss them as racists or bigots. So you've proven nothing, other than shining the spotlight on your own inanity.

The governor of mn brought up race. Lots of people are talking about race and its relationship to all of this crap.
 

Knowing

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This to me is absolutely insane. Absolutely. This is the very double standard that people are so incredibly upset about captured in one image.
It isn't though because there's missing context. The people boiling this all down to race are poor thinking absolutists. It's as if no black person had ever escaped the police unmolested, and no person with higher than average melanin in proximity to a firearm has ever been near police without being shot.

This whole scenario is invalidated by the man in camo shorts carrying a rifle in Dallas. The police posted his picture on their Twitter as a person of interest after the shooting started. He lived which should be impossible according to the comically bad assumptions made in this thread.

It's completely nonsensical but here we are wasting time regarding pure fabrication as the actual state of the world.
 

shady28

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There was some discussion earlier in the thread speculating on what kind of weapon was used in Dallas.

Turns out it is an SKS (image below).

It has a non removable magazine that holds 10 7.62x39 mm rounds, slightly less punchy than the .308 which is 7.62x51. Anyway, these kinds of rounds are meant to kill, not wound like the AR-15's .223 / 5.56

This technically is not an assault rifle. It's just a rifle.

 

chucky2

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If you were going for the textbook definition of racism I guess you hit on it?

Of course it's racist. Do you really expect police to completely forget their own real daily experiences day after day, year after year, plus what they hear about through the blue grapevine and news, and say, Oh, well, I'll just discount Reality when I check in at work each day, at my own peril, because Reality happens to be Ra Ra Ra raaaayyycist and we just can't have that (even though I'll be surrounded by minorities, who are racist as f*ck)? Keep dreaming. Black cops dont want to deal with them either, they're just as disgusted as white cops.
 

norseamd

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It has a non removable magazine that holds 10 7.62x39 mm rounds, slightly less punchy than the .308 which is 7.62x51.

No they are not slightly less punchy than a .308, this is the round that is used in the AK-47, it is not even close to the .308, probably more similar to the 5.56 and 5.45 cartridges. And if fact, I have been told that the 5.56 and 5.45 are generally all around much superior rounds to the 7.62x39mm Soviet. The .308 is what is known as an intermediate cartridge, a slightly reduced version of the old full-power rifle cartridges like the 30-06, 7.62x54mmR, and 7.92x57mm.

And I am laughing my ass of about the inevitable outrage over an old WW2 rifle that is going to be steamrolling by.
 

JSt0rm

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Of course it's racist. Do you really expect police to completely forget their own real daily experiences day after day, year after year, plus what they hear about through the blue grapevine and news, and say, Oh, well, I'll just discount Reality when I check in at work each day, at my own peril, because Reality happens to be Ra Ra Ra raaaayyycist and we just can't have that (even though I'll be surrounded by minorities, who are racist as f*ck)? Keep dreaming. Black cops dont want to deal with them either, they're just as disgusted as white cops.

So how do we alter the socio-economics of the situation so people wont feel worthless?
 

Blackjack200

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There was some discussion earlier in the thread speculating on what kind of weapon was used in Dallas.

Turns out it is an SKS (image below).

It has a non removable magazine that holds 10 7.62x39 mm rounds, slightly less punchy than the .308 which is 7.62x51. Anyway, these kinds of rounds are meant to kill, not wound like the AR-15's .223 / 5.56

This technically is not an assault rifle. It's just a rifle.


Lol.

No they are not slightly less punchy than a .308, this is the round that is used in the AK-47, it is not even close to the .308, probably more similar to the 5.56 and 5.45 cartridges. And if fact, I have been told that the 5.56 and 5.45 are generally all around much superior rounds to the 7.62x39mm Soviet. The .308 is what is known as an intermediate cartridge, a slightly reduced version of the old full-power rifle cartridges like the 30-06, 7.62x54mmR, and 7.92x57mm.

This.
 

Jerem

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LOL, white cops shooting black guys for having guns in their pockets, while white man actually puts hand on gun and cops tells him to calm down.


Looks like his other hand is on an AR
 

Artdeco

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There was some discussion earlier in the thread speculating on what kind of weapon was used in Dallas.

Turns out it is an SKS (image below).

It has a non removable magazine that holds 10 7.62x39 mm rounds, slightly less punchy than the .308 which is 7.62x51. Anyway, these kinds of rounds are meant to kill, not wound like the AR-15's .223 / 5.56

This technically is not an assault rifle. It's just a rifle.


Yep, that's what I've heard. What a strange choice.
 

shady28

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No they are not slightly less punchy than a .308, this is the round that is used in the AK-47, it is not even close to the .308, probably more similar to the 5.56 and 5.45 cartridges. And if fact, I have been told that the 5.56 and 5.45 are generally all around much superior rounds to the 7.62x39mm Soviet. The .308 is what is known as an intermediate cartridge, a slightly reduced version of the old full-power rifle cartridges like the 30-06, 7.62x54mmR, and 7.92x57mm.

And I am laughing my ass of about the inevitable outrage over an old WW2 rifle that is going to be steamrolling by.

Well, for range and accuracy the 5.56 is definitely superior.

But the 7.62x39mm is a better killer. The only reason I mentioned the .308 is b/c in earlier discussion, we speculated the shooter used a .308 or 7.62x51 (which are both .30 caliber rounds) because of the sound in the videos. The sound of a 7.62 is much more of a "boom" sound than a "crack" like a .223 / 5.56

I own both a .223 "AR" and a .308 Enfield (WW I era bolt action).

If you are deer hunter, the 7.62 is legal for use to hunt deer. The 5.56 in most states is not because it would be likely to wound and not kill the target.

My bet would be that he bought his SKS at a gun show. The gun is at least 45 years old, probably older.
 

LegendKiller

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There was some discussion earlier in the thread speculating on what kind of weapon was used in Dallas.

Turns out it is an SKS (image below).

It has a non removable magazine that holds 10 7.62x39 mm rounds, slightly less punchy than the .308 which is 7.62x51. Anyway, these kinds of rounds are meant to kill, not wound like the AR-15's .223 / 5.56

This technically is not an assault rifle. It's just a rifle.


Number of times it is called an "assault rifle" is fucking ridiculous. Liberals are retards.
 
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