BLM Dallas protest rally shooting

[master_shake_]

That was hard to read.

yeah it is.

over a fucking meth head no less.

 

[Z15CAM]

An AK, AR or SKS would not do that.

I doubt from any authority will divulge what rifle he used.

 

[shady28]

An AK, AR or SKS would not do that.

I doubt from any authority will divulge what rifle he used.

Watch this video from CBS news. He used an SKS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/gun-used-by-shooter-in-dallas-identified/

 

[Jhhnn]

And you'd be wrong, look up the kind of bullets the M16 was designed to use in wartime. And the other posters are right, they're literally illegal to use for anything but hunting varmints, because they are a relatively useless round. It will tumble, but it's not designed to be used for long range shooting in the first place.

I'd say more, but that'd give you more knowledge to attack other calibers, and I'd prefer you remain ignorant. Just be aware that there are a hell of a lot of guns out there that are much more effective, you just haven't seen them used in mass murders, because the murderers aren't very sophisticated.

Hardly, sir. 5.56 rounds are a cheat on the Geneva conventions wrt the intent of full metal jackets. The jacket on standard issue is like foil & the slugs are specifically designed to tumble, deform & come apart on impact. That's obvious from gel tests & the literature. The round is extremely lethal at short to medium range. It serves its designed purpose very well, which is killing people.

 

[norseamd]

An AK, AR or SKS would not do that.

Do what?

 

[JSt0rm]

take the gun fetish to another thread.

 

[shady28]

Hardly, sir. 5.56 rounds are a cheat on the Geneva conventions wrt the intent of full metal jackets. The jacket on standard issue is like foil & the slugs are specifically designed to tumble, deform & come apart on impact. That's obvious from gel tests & the literature. The round is extremely lethal at short to medium range. It serves its designed purpose very well, which is killing people.

Lol!

You don't know what you are talking about there, lefty.

The .223 / 5.56 is a high powered varmint round.

There is a reason you can't use it to hunt big game in most states, because it would tend to only wound large animals which would be inhumane.



Marine: .223 May Not Be Lethal Enough for Civilians

I skull capped him.

He stumbled over the wall and fell down behind it, out of my view in the dead space. For a split second, I thought “there…” until I saw him RUNNING away from me, brains leaking from his head! As soon as I saw him, he fell down and did not get up again. It took 5 well aimed rounds to put this guy down.

 

[SP33Demon]

Well, for range and accuracy the 5.56 is definitely superior.

But the 7.62x39mm is a better killer. The only reason I mentioned the .308 is b/c in earlier discussion, we speculated the shooter used a .308 or 7.62x51 (which are both .30 caliber rounds) because of the sound in the videos. The sound of a 7.62 is much more of a "boom" sound than a "crack" like a .223 / 5.56

I own both a .223 "AR" and a .308 Enfield (WW I era bolt action).

If you are deer hunter, the 7.62 is legal for use to hunt deer. The 5.56 in most states is not because it would be likely to wound and not kill the target.

My bet would be that he bought his SKS at a gun show. The gun is at least 45 years old, probably older.

I've bought SKS' (Russian, Chinese) out of the newspaper in certain states back in the day, extremely easy to get. You are right, these rounds are made to kill. A full metal jacket will go right through a man. You can easily hit targets accurately a football field away if you are proficient with it. I never really liked it because it's loud as fuck and other semi-auto rifles have much less recoil. The SKS is a beast though, also fun with grenade launcher/bayonet attachments and I think you can get extended mags for them as well.

 

[norseamd]

Lol!

You don't know what you are talking about there, lefty.

The .223 / 5.56 is a high powered varmint round.

There is a reason you can't use it to hunt big game in most states, because it would tend to only wound large animals which would be inhumane.



Marine: .223 May Not Be Lethal Enough for Civilians

The 5.56 has proven to less than ideally powerful, although going by past rifle and cartridge competitions, it is unlikely to be replaced until a brand new high tech weapon can replace it. Looks like that replacement has a high probability of being caseless ammunition, but that is still probably years away from now.

 

[Z15CAM]

Really! An SKS: He had lots of nerve or a lot of experience with an SKS.

I know a SKS.

Personally I would have chosen a Remington 270 Semi-Auto or a bolt action Lee Enfiield.

Apparently the shooter knew what he was doing.

 

[senseamp]

Seriously, you guys are discussing what gun is the best to go on a murderous rampage with?

 

[shady28]

The 5.56 has proven to less than ideally powerful, although going by past rifle and cartridge competitions, it is unlikely to be replaced until a brand new high tech weapon can replace it. Looks like that replacement has a high probability of being caseless ammunition, but that is still probably years away from now.

TBH I don't have anything against the .5.56, it's an effective round for war for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with lethality. It's also a great in-between round for someone moving up from a .22LR

I just find it amusing how it has been demonized along with the AR-15, when there are far more lethal calibers and weapons used for (and needed for) hunting. You can't kill a large animal with a 5.56 very quickly, unless you hit it in just the right spot.

 

[Z15CAM]

Guns are not the Killer the User is and that includes Cops.

 

[shady28]

Seriously, you guys are discussing what gun is the best to go on a murderous rampage with?

It's more like how the media and politicians ignorantly demonize a particular style of gun, because they don't know what they are talking about. Then someone shows up with 65 year old rifle and shoots 14 people.

But, AR-15. Assault style. Tactical. You know the drill.

 

[Z15CAM]

As far as I'm concerned the AR 15 and AK including the CZ58, T97 and Tavor's are useless guns except for killing people at relatively short range and should be banned except for military use - No mater the Mag capacity and not in the hands of Civilians or Billy Blue the Gun Man.

Not forgetting that most Americans can carry a 40 Cal (10mm)-Auto Pistol - Where a Canadian can't legally carry a 9mm in the bush.

Gun Laws SUCK as they are controlled by Gun Manufacturer's that lobby finances into our political system.

 

[disappoint]

its amazing you can get thousands of people to march but you cant get them to write politicians or organize debates or find a decent person to run for office.

That is because the former is emotionally driven, whereas the latter is reason/logic driven.

 

[Z15CAM]

Over Political Greed and Firearm sponsors there are a lot of $180 Russian SKS's in Canada, laughingly pinned to 5 rounds at 15 cents a round - Cheaper then Bee Bee or Air Soft gun.

We get the real Russian model with the bayonet - Go figure guns laws and politics?

In 1964 Martin Luther King said: "We have the power. Greater then guns or grenades" and Dylan sang "Times are a Changing".

JFK had just been assassinated - I was 15 years old

Is all this lost?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Context matters.
Always, I can show you videos where this doesn't happen, and it ends poorly for the police, but it wouldn't fly on here.

He was able to hand over his rifle just fine. The "person of interest"
https://twitter.com/MikeLeslieWFAA/status/751292548258209793
http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/dalla...n-gunman-sniper-shooter-picture-twitter-name/
the level of interlacing on that video is something special...

The Truth About the Dallas Sniper Attack
Paul Joseph Watson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByE_CpXIjRA


Dallas Police Shooting: 11 Officers Shot, 5 Killed | True News
Stefan Molyneux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UMYh_vTr0w

St Louis: Another Cop Shooting (Update)
by Kevin Jackson | Jul 8, 2016
http://theblacksphere.net/2016/07/st-louis-another-cop-shooting/

Black Lives Matter Co-Founder Asked ‘Allah’ to Help Her Not ‘Kill Men and White Folks’
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...nder-ask-allah-help-not-kill-men-white-folks/

NYC protesters chant for dead cops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4ARsxrZh8
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/n...hot-in-their-patrol-car-in-brooklyn.html?_r=0
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...sts-chant-pigs-in-a-blanket-after-cop-murder/

#blacklivesmatter is officially a terrorist group.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58RolGFswqg

Race Relations Under Obama! 5 Cops Dead In Dallas! 2 Black Men Shot Dead! We Are In A Wilderness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIx05ZI4MXY

Simply look, who's in charge before they start pointing fingers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Holden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bel_Edwards

Inciting people to kill others who have done nothing wrong is ALWAYS evil. You don't get to kill law enforcement officers because you simply do not like them.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I wonder what Hillary will do to curtail assault weapons in the US if elected?

 

[Z15CAM]

Seems to me, in spite of your 2nd Amendment after the American Civil War, the USA is a DMZ zone.

 

[LegendKiller]

Seems to me, in spite of your 2nd Amendment after the American Civil War, the USA is a DMZ zone.

lol - are you fucking kidding me?

 

[Ackmed]

The Chief from Dallas was talked about earlier, how well he did in the speaking which was true. Very well spoken, in a very difficult time.

Little background on him; http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-chief-david-brown-profile/index.html

As as officer, brother, and father he has faced tremendous tragedy. Yet here he is again, feel badly for him but glad someone like him is there.

Cliffs;
-After college became a cop in 1983 to help stop cocaine destroying his city
-In 1988 he lost his partner, shot and killed after being ambushed on a disturbance call
-1991 his younger brother died by drug dealers
-2010 His own son shot and killed a police officer, later getting shot and killed by responding officers. He was on PCP, weed, and alcohol

He has lost a partner, a brother, and a son all to criminals. The very people he's sworn to protect civilians from. Hard pressed to find someone who has had it harder. Yet people on here, and elsewhere call him a "pig", and wish for his death. How pathetic of a human do you have to be to do that. Personally I am glad we have him.

 

[Genx87]

So the guy was ex-military and used an SKS rifle. Talk about destroying the magazine limit laws prevent killings.

 

[Artdeco]

Seriously, you guys are discussing what gun is the best to go on a murderous rampage with?

You have to understand, this is almost like him using a Carcano, which, strangely enough was used in the same city, not far away from these murders.

SKS:

So the guy was ex-military and used an SKS rifle. Talk about destroying the magazine limit laws prevent killings.

Especially when he used it so effectively against the police. At least they can say "clips" this time and be correct.

 

[bshole]

This to me is absolutely insane. Absolutely. This is the very double standard that people are so incredibly upset about captured in one image.

Well if the cop didn't feel threatened, he didn't feel threatened. Did the cop in the picture end up getting shot and killed? If not, then his threat assessment was correct in this instance. Remember this, every time that a cop makes a threat assessment, he is gambling with his LIFE. If his assessment is incorrect, he could end up dead.

In the end, we only hear about instances of the cop's assessment being incorrect in the context of the them killing an innocent civilian not in the context of them not recognizing a true threat and getting killed because of it.